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From the postings that I read I doubt that they were careful
("tripped over" and the like).

;)

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I was one of the first people to buy the N900 from the Nokia Flagship store in NYC - I didn't even test it out previous to buying it - I read up on it and I knew exactly what I was getting into. No surprises. Have you considered that maybe it is not the phone that isn't too smart, but the user?

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Loads of posts here as usual saying get an iphone and a recent one get a samsung galaxy. The premise being that those phones are dumb phones whilst the N900 is a true smart phone.

It is funny how these dumb phones have done so much better than Nokia's super computers. Oh what Nokia would give to be able to create a dumb phone like its competitors have.

Call me daft but it strikes me that a device which works out of the box is actually much smarter than a device which you need to spend ages tweaking just to be able it to get to a stable state and even then never actually getting there because some important parts of the device are closed and so cannot be tweaked.

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I believe a device which works out of the box and allows you to spend ages tweaking to get your optimal experience/usability is even better!

On an iPod touch I can't get full Bluetooth working. On a Nokia N900 it is 2 minutes work.

Re: The end of the Nokia Smart phone dream
 

what parts of N900 don't work out of the box?

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To be fair, the FM receiver doesn't. No software for it in the system.

That said, the N900 did work out of the box. If you're going to claim a device doesn't "work out of the box" then it'd better not actually work out of the box.

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Oh right, sorry... anywhere OUTSIDE OF EUROPE. (By the by, I'm in the New England region of the US, not Canada.. but it appears that Europe is about the only place to get halfway decent Nokia service.)

And again--doesn't help, can't buy anything. :)

I also find it incredibly humorous to hear someone say that you need to be careful with a mobile device. I thought they were intended to be mobile, therefore likely to experience pressure and shock. Aren't these things DESIGNED to be taken with you, plugged and unplugged repeatedly and likely to be kept in a pocket or dropped?

Does it take 2 minutes to get a bluetooth keyboard supported too? Ironically, on my N800 it took nearly no time at all. From what I understand about the N900, it takes somewhat longer than 2 minutes (at first, it wasn't possible at all until someone had to tweak it).

Just saying--it's best if a device is solid to start with, THEN gives you the ability to tweak it all to hell. Having neither is pretty much where Maemo is right now, given all the closed components. It's my great hope that MeeGo provides both, but I'm still waiting to see what closed-source abominations Nokia will roll out in their MeeGo images to ruin the otherwise excellent work being done by the MeeGo folks.

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Well if Nokia lets us do what we will like they did with the N900, then chances are if you don't like their closed source abominations you can always dump it for the reference UIs.

And if the tablet UI is any indication, they'll probably be pretty slick in their own right.

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I'm not sure that's really fair, since the software is easily available as an install right out of the box from the repositories. I'm more concerned about the lack of functions and features and the high price for a device that lacks many of those. Where's the various bluetooth device drivers? Why were they removed? What happened to xorg's support for bluetooth mice? Why was THAT removed? Why is the phone software so crippled? It would have all been completely forgivable if Nokia simply communicated that the device was simply delivered out first and that these things were coming down the pike soon (or if it had been open enough to allow anyone to fix these things easily and submit them for future OS images, etc.). Maybe they are and I don't know it? Anyone?

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citation needed