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9000 2011-06-10 16:15

Re: Nokia shares dive after sales warning
 
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Originally Posted by bobh (Post 1026532)
Having run things like OpenOffice and JEdit on my N900, I would say the issue is not the pixels but the physical size. It is hard to click on tiny buttons, and hard to see tiny text.

It works, and it is useful to be able to do that, but probably only us geeky types would do it.

On a tablet, though, with a 7" or larger screen size, it would probably work fine even if the resolution remained the same.

By 'porting' it doesn't just mean recompilation, it also means adapting the UI to the platform. There's also accessibility options to customize during runtime and compilation. (You know how much I hate to defend for Windows applications :D)

9000 2011-06-10 16:17

Re: Nokia shares dive after sales warning
 
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Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1026580)
Like bob is saying, it's not the resolution that matters but the physical screen size. 4 inch is definitely too small to run any desktop application.

You must have thought of direct running of desktop apps without changing the font and control sizes.

louiegoat 2011-06-10 18:59

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Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 1026491)
@kanishou good points here, except you might not have taken into consideration that WP7 is a standalone platform with little backward compatibility with Windows Mobiles, and that Microsoft has already announced the launch Windows 8 on ARM, which can run native (recompile) Windows applications which WP7 platform is also incompatible with.

This is exactly what I was trying to say, every release is incompatible with a prior device most of the time. You then have to purchase a new phone or have to pay to upgrade the OS to a newer version if it is compatible.

louiegoat 2011-06-10 19:11

Re: Nokia shares dive after sales warning
 
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Originally Posted by bobh (Post 1026510)
I agree that this seems unlikely.



And I think this is where Nokia went wrong. They kept changing their strategy. Putting the polish on Maemo, getting to step 5 of 5, and adding in Qt as a migration strategy would have made some sense.

Yeah, it would not have been as technically clean to have two different programming API's (Qt and GTK), but time was a-wasting. Starting over again with Meego at such a late date was a very bad decison, IMO.

If the work that went into Meego had gone instead into finishing Maemo, then Maemo could very well have been a competitive platform. Yes, Qt would not have been as integrated and they may not have had as smooth a transition from Symbian, but there are an awful lot of Linux developers out there too.

They shot for perfect instead of accepting good enough and trying to make it perfect over time. When that failed, Nokia had no good choices left. They were either going to become an Android OEM or a WP OEM. They had lost their chance to be a leader.



I am sad about the way things turned out because Maemo was so close to what I, personally, wanted. I am not all that interested in "media delivery platforms", I want a more PC-like device that I control and decide what to install and when and how. Maemo seemed to be headed in that direction.

But there is no enthusiasm, none at all, from the carriers for that kind of device. Nor from Apple, Google or MS. For all of them the device is just a way to extract value from consumers through an exclusive "app store" or ads or whatever. So they have little interest in making their systems truly open in the ways that the PC was.

I also am happy with my N900 even though I miss Navigation and certain other features. I too wanted a PC-like device for when I was out and about. Of course if I have to do anything that is typing intensive or using an application that might have buttons or icons too small for my N900, I would just wait to get home and use my desktop or laptop for such tasks. I know that the screen is small but I want a device for my pocket which serves me well and not some big 7 or 10 inch tablet that does not fit in my jeans pocket. I like to travel light.

1337INT13H 2011-06-10 19:34

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Well what a lousy few quarters for Nokia. Well it's all gone Pete TONG, really ...they need to quickly re focus on a new Chief Exec Officer. QUICK the amount of doom unleashed is Microelopocalyptic in size & aftershocks are fore ordained

kevloral 2011-06-10 23:44

Re: Nokia shares dive after sales warning
 
A couple of very interesting articles I didn't read at the time about the Manchurian CEO (they date to March 2011):

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/14/m...hout-a-chance/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/15/m...s-off-with-ip/

lohner 2011-06-14 09:47

Re: Nokia shares dive after sales warning
 
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Originally Posted by kevloral (Post 1026829)
A couple of very interesting articles I didn't read at the time about the Manchurian CEO (they date to March 2011):

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/14/m...hout-a-chance/
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/03/15/m...s-off-with-ip/

Holy sh**! That says it all. No further discussion required...
As sad as the content is, it is also sad I didn't see that as clearly as I do now after reading those excellenct aricles.

daperl 2011-06-14 14:56

Re: Nokia shares dive after sales warning
 
After those two articles, I think it's time to repost my video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ub2vnmxI8

NvyUs 2011-06-14 17:44

Re: Nokia shares dive after sales warning
 
This Thread belongs in Off Topic with my thread what got moved there.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...45#post1028645

Texrat 2011-06-14 17:46

Re: Nokia shares dive after sales warning
 
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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1029091)
This Thread belongs in Off Topic with my thread what got moved there.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...45#post1028645

Not really, this fits fine under General. But thanks for the heads up; maybe I'll merge them.

EDIT: I don't see a reason to merge, but I did put the Apple-Nokia thread back under general where it should be.


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