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lohner 2011-06-06 16:08
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
With all these arguments for WP7 (especially the financial argument), it still makes me sad to see Qt go down the drain...
While they might not have had enough ressources to support 3 operating systems, they could have supported Qt on all platforms they use. They could have made Qt run on Android (somebody already ported it somehow) or insist on porting it to WP7 when talking to Microsoft about WP7 adoption.
To have their (Elop's) desired position in which they stand out form the other phone makers through a non mass-market OS. (Even ZTE will sell WP7 - that makes Elop's main argument against Android just wrong).

With all the knowledge they had acquired with Trolltech (relatively small company that managed to support Qt on Windows, Linux and OSX) they could easily have made Qt support for MeeGo, Symbian, Android and WP7 possible additionally.

That would mean, code one program and have at least it's interface run everywhere important (except iOS of course).
They could have had their Ovi/Nokia Services on almost every computer and smartphone, also sell software then, and make the transition to a software company.

Anyway... I don't actually care as much for Nokia now as I care for Qt. So sad.

cBeam 2011-06-06 16:47
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoJo (Post 1022940)

To charge $600 on a slow Symbian E7 was ludicrous before the announcement of Symbian's death and was already a spoiler.
Looks like you can get the E7 now for $350 (after going through a few hoops) from Nokia US. Isn't this their current flag ship?

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthr...id=0&t=2995111

ericsson 2011-06-06 17:56
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cBeam (Post 1023447)
Looks like you can get the E7 now for $350 (after going through a few hoops) from Nokia US. Isn't this their current flag ship?

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthr...id=0&t=2995111
I hate to say this, but the E7 is the living representation of Nokias failure. It is a good device, best quality hardware there is, it is fast and excellent to use - but: Way too low resolution on the screen, EDoF instead of autofocus (EDoF is great, but NOT on a communicator), too small battery, no external sd card. All this would be OK for a device at 300 $ and for a device that wasn't marketed as a "communicator". As a communicator you expect much more, at that price you expect much more (communicator or not). To be honest I don't think it is marketed as a communicator, but as the device inheriting the communicator properties or something like that.

At 350$ though, it is good value for the money. It will last for ages, and will do the job just fine, better than most Android devices, and will do more stuff than any iPhone.

danramos 2011-06-06 19:13
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
With due respect to the Capt'n, I'm re-posting this here since it's relevant...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 1023456)
Android keeps climbing without gasping for breath.

http://androidandme.wpengine.netdna-...core_April.png
http://androidandme.com/2011/06/news...-life-support/

BB/WP7/WebOS? Not so much...
As I was saying... Nokia is going to the dance with Balmer. Not only is that an ugly date, it doesn't even make up for it with a good personality. NOKIA+WP7 isn't a strategy, it's a suicide note.

MoJo 2011-06-06 19:30
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
Hehehehe in the tags I'm mentioned:

"mojo = tl;dr"

It feels good to recognized.

cBeam 2011-06-06 19:32
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1023560)
As I was saying... Nokia is going to the dance with Balmer. Not only is that an ugly date, it doesn't even make up for it with a good personality. NOKIA+WP7 isn't a strategy, it's a suicide note.
The problem for Nokia is that the U.S. trend shown in the graph is increasingly true globally. Except the fact that Symbian was at the top coming down fast and Windows mobile irrelevant anyway.

geneven 2011-06-06 19:56
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1022430)
define "Apple has in some ways taken over at the top" please?

Taken over what? they have done nothing more than prove that you can copy other manufacturers technology (from years ago) and convince people, through clever marketing, that it's "new".
the only thing apple has managed to do (and wit great success) is make a feature phone extremely usable, and thus, make people believe that it's "smart".

the assumption that because someone is a leader in the desktop market, they will by default be a leader in the mobile market , is a fallacy.
People lke to think that Apple is leader in the mobile world, even Elop does, but, while their prodicts in the desktop market are great, they don't have a massive market share.
And just because microsoft has market share in the Desktop world, means in no way that they will, by default, make in the mobile arena. They've been trying, and failing for 15 years.
Congratulations, your own words answer your own question!

You asked for a definition of "has in some ways taken over the top".

"define "Apple has in some ways taken over at the top" please?

"the only thing apple has managed to do (and wit great success) is make a feature phone extremely usable, and thus, make people believe that it's "smart".

Yep, that's my definition! I see you agree!

danramos 2011-06-06 19:58
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoJo (Post 1023571)
Hehehehe in the tags I'm mentioned:

"mojo = tl;dr"

It feels good to recognized.
Congrats! Welcome to the club. :) I sometimes still like using the Negatron Dan name that someone called me in tags before. I sometimes even put that tag on threads myself where I'm being down on Nokia/MeeGo/Maemo... since it's only fitting. Besides, I really, really like the Decepticons. My Honda Del Sol has a chrome decepticon logo on the rear, for example.

danramos 2011-06-06 20:00
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1022430)
define "Apple has in some ways taken over at the top" please?

Taken over what? they have done nothing more than prove that you can copy other manufacturers technology (from years ago) and convince people, through clever marketing, that it's "new".
the only thing apple has managed to do (and wit great success) is make a feature phone extremely usable, and thus, make people believe that it's "smart".

the assumption that because someone is a leader in the desktop market, they will by default be a leader in the mobile market , is a fallacy.
People lke to think that Apple is leader in the mobile world, even Elop does, but, while their prodicts in the desktop market are great, they don't have a massive market share.
And just because microsoft has market share in the Desktop world, means in no way that they will, by default, make in the mobile arena. They've been trying, and failing for 15 years.
To whit, I respond:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

mrsellout 2011-06-06 21:03
Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLongshot (Post 1022976)
Except that I don't see what the long-term benefits of killing your own ecosystem and building up Microsoft's ecosystem. That is, unless you want to be HTC.

Combine this with the slow develoment of MeeGo, you wonder if there will be any customers left once it is ready for prime time.
One result of this is the Osbourne effect. The Guardian discussed it here today.


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