Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Yes, most of the stuff is just upgrades. There's a little bit of new stuff for IPv6 and WiMAX, but it doesn't add much weight (maybe a couple of megabytes on the high end).

Nope, sorry. ;)

OS2007.x/maemo 3.x = Bora
OS2008.0/maemo 4.0 = Chinook
OS2008.1/maemo 4.1 = Diablo

We know at least one more codename for sure, Elephanta, and the one after that is maybe, Fremantle. Presumably Elephanta will correspond to OS2008.2/maemo 4.2 and Fremantle OS2008.3/maemo 4.3 (Edit: Jaffa may be right about there being no 4.2 or 4.3 and Elephanta being OS2009/maemo 5.0, but I'm going to play the pessimist here and he can play the optimist—or he's the optimist and I'm the pessimist . . . depending on how you look at it :p :D), or maybe Fremantle will be OS2009.0/maemo 5.0, no telling yet.

Fun Facts for Additional Obfuscation: OS2005 didn't have any (known) codenames, OS2006 had three (one for each point release), Mistral, Scirocco, Gregale, OS2007 had only one (for all point releases), Bora, and now Nokia's going back to one for each point release with OS2008. Who wants to take bets on which way they'll go for OS2009? I'm in favor of big cats for everything second point release. :D

Edit: Others were faster on the trigger, but I win for completeness. :p

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

I think that chinook is 4.0.x. Isn't it?

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Ummm.... no.

Maemo = Development environment
ITOS200x (old naming) = OS200x (new naming) = Operating system
(Naturally, these update in sync, at least for major updates. Because you can't develop with different libraries than you're gonna run on.)

Preemptive acknowledgement to all who were quicker.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Yeah, my gut says Elephanta will be Maemo 5.0, and OS2009. I can't see another major upgrade between now and the (hoped for) next device in (hopefully less than) a year or so.

As I said before, the reason for Diablo being *4*.1, is so that A, B, C, *D* == 4th letter of the alphabet == Maemo 4.x; Elephanta is the fifth letter == Maemo 5.x ;-)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

I was faster and wrong :)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Hehe, I didn't notice—quick, edit it before I get around to removing the "Thanks!" for bad information! :p

More Fun with Obfuscation: You could make the case for Chinook being 4.1 (since you didn't specifically say maemo), since it is actually release 2 (release 1 == 4.0, release 2 == 4.1, etc) of OS2008 (2.2008.50-2), as the public beta was release 1. :p :D

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

OMG sorry I asked. ;) It was always a point of confusion for me with incompatible things switching from 2007 to 2008. Thanks.

On another side note since we have knowlegable people here: The openoffice thread mentions something about the /tmp file size. I think this solved by a openoffice setting and doesn't require 'kernel' modification. Just FYI (not really looking for a soluion in this thread).

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Expect new hildon-application-manager ;)

I've already compiled the new version for myself, now to see how it goes in diablo.

(BTW: I've pimped up the latest diablo initfs ;). Bootmenu, KotCzarny's colour mod, framebuffer and my name on it :))

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Note: When Diablo comes out, could someone distill out what others need to know from this 607-message thread? I'm not going to go through it since most of the stuff here probably won't be true of the released version... And as we know, there is a Constitutional provision against cruel and unusual punishment.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Why, like you said, almost all of the stuff here is either speculative or pre-release stuff that's irrelevant to the real release. Besides, you're always the one complaining about having to read threads, seems like you're the perfect person to make that unnecessary. ;)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Hi
i just finished reading this long thread, i will wait the final release since all the stuff discussed here sounds foreign to me being new to linux, but hands up for those who are testings this new release hope your experience will help us when diablo comes to fruition,

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

i'm faster than ssu ;) :p

This is the newer application manager. i compiled it in my scratchbox against the newer diablo libs so no worries there.

I've included (kinda) the remove legal message mod.
This is version .5 of the remove legal message. This one only removes the message when installing from a repo, not when installing a local deb. (i've forgotten how to do it :/)


Advantages:
- newer app manager than stock diablo
- legal message fully gone

Todo:
- look into making app man resolve depends for local packages.

diablo only (compiled against diablo apt, dpkg)

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...&postcount=618

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

We should call qwerty12 "fanoush junior".

:D

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Hehe, I'm no fanoush :)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

You should rename it and package it as an alternative package manager. We could fix up the category view while we're at it.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Unfortunately, I cannot program, this is just a quick mod to it :)

I just posted it here because it's newer than the current hildon application manager and it has the legal message removed. I wish I could do more but I don't have the knowledge.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Don't get me wrong here I get the reason why, "because" (I'm "because"'s number one advocate!)
But is there other reason to upgrade to this, i.e. anything actually changed?
I should really get off my *** and get scratchbox installed

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Well, if you check the changelog in svn you can see some bugs were fixed.

But I admit, not huge amounts changed but hey it's newer and it 1/2 has the legal message removed :)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Ok, softpoweroff *is* mostly fixed in diablo. I just tried it. Screen blanks, touchscreen is disabled, buttons too. Pressing power button will wake it up.

But, you have to hold power to get the menu to work and it insists on forcing offline mode, which i fixed by editing /etc/mce/mce.ini

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Soft poweroff does not work here, no matter how I activate or deactivate it. Besides, it can't be fixed, as the version that has the fix (1.7.6) isn't in the current Diablo.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

.......... ;)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

I dunno, I'm seeing some brilliant results here.

mce 1.7.19 here.

Anyway, new mod of the latest tagged SVN version of application manager
I've removed the legal message completely :). So you shouldn't see it at all. Should save time.

Developers may find this helpful when making debs for diablo:

Off topic, but this is why I love opensource. I love load-applet but I wished it would save my screenshots on the memory card but it didn't. It took me 5 mins to change the code to do that. (Anddd, it didn't work :D. Still, the fact that you can do it is nice)

Remember, if you install this in Chinook, you are ****ed.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

what surprises me is that flash can be that important to some...

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

New SSU update out! :)

(4.2008-21-4)

Anddddd, my N800 bricked :(.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Not taking qwerty's warning, I upgraded my N810 to the latest packages. This also caused my tablet to stop booting. Oops.

However, as I was trying to flash Chinook back onto it my computer got too slow (just finishing booting and starting firefox, thunderbird, vmware player, and outlook while trying to flash) and the flash hung. I unplugged the USB cable to start over and lo! the tablet booted. All my apps are still installed and settings intact AND the control panel says the version is 4.2008.21-4 and gave me an "Update successful" message.

Probably not reproducible unless you just need to bring it into USB flash mode and then reboot. Maybe this will help someone stuck after the update.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Somebody want to just try flashing the Chinook initfs and kernel once they're in a loop? ;)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

I am with chinook initfs and kernel, never flashed the new ones. After the update my IT rebooted absolutely normal... :)

Happy bug hunting everybody :)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

I reflashed to chinook initfs and kernel after the update and it still wouldn't boot. I'm gonna try again because you know me ;)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

If it helps anything, there were new kernel-slasher, initfs-flasher and fiasco-flasher packages.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

They are always there, I checked, my kernel and initfs were same before update.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Well, I'm now running the latest diablo like I said I would.

I updated with a custom chinook kernel compiled by yours truly and my custom diablo initfs and it went fine.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

I had to.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2znv3gx.png

At least I can prove I'm running devil edition and I can change version to something else rather than <unknown>.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Installed this latest Diablo SSU on my N810, and I saw the same results as is now becoming typical - flash-and-reboot wouldn't allow my device to boot, and re-flashing the old Chinook kernel fixes it. (The Diablo initfs, as always, works fine.)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

But you're rapidly on your way!

And rofl at your OS version. Nice.

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Thanks for the compliment (I consider it a honor to to be called a fanoush :)) but I will never be like him :D

He can program, his kernel work etc is brilliant. I just like to do simple things here and there :)

As for the initfs and kernel thing, set up a repo on a mmc where the initfs-flasher and kernel-flasher versions will always be higher than the ones from the diablo update site and repack the debs with your own initfs and kernel. (I'm still running the 2nd updated diablo initfs (2008-20), not my first (2008-17) and not the latest updated initfs.

Why? I've done too much modifications to this one. I've even got bootmenu installed (which fanoush won't support yet, can't blame him with it being a beta and this is like the third initfs release yet which still won't flash on N800), made it a bit more colourful (pic and mod by the great KotCzarny) and installed the framebuffer stuff into it.

And I still use my Chinook kernel as that one has more features then you can throw at a stick! © :p

Actually, I may end up stripping the latest one reluctantly as I want to make it not boot with framebuffer (a fanoush creation - I'd have never have been able to do it :))

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

This is nice, any link to the mod? Configurable colors might be useful. Black is good when switching to framebuffer console.

BTW, I'm shy and flattery makes me a bit uneasy, I'm trying to ignore it :-)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/bootmenu/

It's based off a old version of bootmenu though, I had to manually integrate it into your newest.

:) - You are a brilliant guy with an attitude like that. (not like me, I'm conceited and cocky when I find something out :p. My sig is proof enough...)

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

Well, I did an update just now; worked fine, rebooted into Diablo fine; then again, I have no trouble with soft-poweroff, and GA has the same as Chinook. I think it depends how you installed your particular illegitimate offspring of Diablo what effects you get...

@qwerty12:
Regarding that color mod, I'm planning one better... but I'm not sure it'll work. Is there any real benefit to switching over to the diablo initfs? If so, I might switch to that before I do any real custom work...

Do I infer correctly that you wrote some stuff to the config partition to make the version change? I've been interested in setting rd-flags from the device, and it looks like you might be headed that way...

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 

The colours are configurable. Not really TBH, except for some new modules and some tools. But they aren't used for the N800/N810, it's only loaded for the N810W. Still I use it for completeness and I'm gonna update my modifications to the latest diablo initfs.

http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...141#post186141

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http://i25.tinypic.com/9zwxdx.png

N800 baby, so not much use to me...