Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

s/maemo/maemo.org/

Maemo (capital M) is Nokia, maemo.org (lowercase m, .org) is not.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

It's hard to believe that Nokia will ignore the N900.
The Maemo 6 device will be shipped in arround 8 months?
Here is a mass of users who didn't get their N900 yet and still waiting for it.

Nokia is not so high in business that they can "afford" a lack in customer support right now.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

In Italy, n900 has never arrived in telephone shops. The only place you can find it is Nokia shop. IMO things are just starting to get interesting around here.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Well said!

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

just a tip for people that might be feeling screwed by nokia: sell the n900 and buy something else that suites your needs.

like someone else said, dont make your life so terrible. you should enjoy the device. if a cell phone is making you start thinking about plots, conspiracy theories and boycots over a device that is working perfectly fine something is clearly wrong...

and it is not with the phone.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

um ... I don't know why you guys are so sure it will come out in 6 months even I do not know either. Making software is not something easy enough to say 'it's gonna finish in ## of months'.

By the way, don't you guys ever see Qt4.6 is in beta on N900? And did you see we ever slow down the progress on M5? You can check here: http://maemo.gitorious.org/

For M6, you can even check the code here: http://qt.gitorious.org/maemo-6-ui-framework

It's pretty open. Why said you guys being ignored when we post day-to-day progress there? :-)

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Thanks, that's exactly my point. :D

I've finally gotten around to using upper and lowercase for the name appropriately after a few months, but how's a random joe off the street to have any clue that maemo.org ("maemo") isn't the same as Maemo, ergo part of Nokia? A big subtitle next to maemo.org in the header banner "maemo's not Maemo"?

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Well, there's no "maemo". Just maemo.org and Maemo. ;)

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

If Maemo is supposed to be a mobile Linux distribution, it must be possible to always try to run newer stuff on older hardware. If a program like a 3D desktop requires more powerful hardware, the old users should just be able to opt out of installing it, just like we can choose between Gnome and Xfce (and Awesome in my case) on the desktop.

There are lots of improvements that don't relate to processor-heavy eye-candy, and we musn't let these new flashy possibilities be confused with the whole of what a distro is supposed to be.

I think the whole problem is that it's too damn _difficult_ to manage this. It's just easier to focus on single devices. We were lucky to have been able to upgrade the N800. Though some people have disliked it...

Only something like Mer will bring us the support for multiple devices. It just doesn't fit the industry setting to think so wide.

Myself, I bought an N800 6 months ago. It was just what I wanted, for a nice price (450 BRL, 250 USD). There are just no alternatives to it, they are either too simple, or too featureful and expensive, or simply don't actually exist (e.g. Pandora).

I was lucky with my timing. I had no sort of mobile gadget at first. Then I got the N800 in its maturity, and for a good price. Now I'll probably be able to get something else just by the time “step 5” comes by. I hope by then we have figured out how the next decade is supposed to look like! :)

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

i was thinking about buying this phone when it first came out but im kind of glad that i held off, especially when my current phone is still on par with the new phones(its 1 1/2 years old).

i would be disappointed if n900 wouldnt be upgradeable to maemo 6 but then again there are a lot in this community that will somehow make it work.

usually a new os means upgraded hardware. sure it might work on the n900 but it may run a bit slower. i would be more concerned if maemo 6 apps would run just as good or be backward compatible on maemo 5 platform.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Will centipede, dig dug, pac man, stargate, tempest and every other arcade game that made money from the 80's and 90's get ignored?

Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_HXUhShhmY
and
blublu.org
stop motion animation

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Errr ... no they dont have to.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

There is nothing preventing that on Maemo. AFAIK you are free to install XFCE, KDE or any other environment your hacking heart desires (and suffer the integration problems that brings).

The trouble is that here people expect the opposite of what you say - they do NOT want just working components (which is precisely what the officially announced Qt4.6 gives you and were perceived as 'bandaids' by some in this very thread), but want an uncompromising Maemo 6 in it's fullest. That's the problem. New/prospective N900 owners without the linux/tech background are more likely to think in black and white - I get Maemo 6 and all will be dandy, or I don't get Maemo 6 and the N900 is brick and Nokia sucks. The reality is, however, that neither of those statements is true, but that is a message people don't (want to) hear.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Hello all, my n900 arrived yesterday and my first post here.

I like my shiny new n900, but it must be said it is missing a lot from what I'd expect a modern phone to have. In fact, it's missing a lot from what ancient phones had, and budget models too. Other than a brief flirtation with Sony Ericsson, all my handsets have been Nokia. In the drawer beside me I have 4 Nokia handsets reaching back to the 3210, and that was the last Nokia phone I had which didnt have mms. I've only had the phone for a day, but there are a lot of bugs and features missing that you'd expect in 2010 - but there's no point going over that old ground again. Some of them I knew about before I bought it, and some were an unpleasant surprise. My hope is that Nokia will support fixes for these.

I must say, since visiting maemo.org my faith in Nokia has been shaken. It does feel like everything is on hold until the next maemo release, but like one of the nasty kids from Willy Wonka's chocolate factory I want them now. There's a guy called Andre Klapper on here, I suspect in real life I would like him. I'd enjoy sitting down for a pint with him and listening to him talk about all he knows. But right now due to the internet I hate him. Every bug report I read that he has labelled "invalid" or "wont fix" or otherwise 'learn to lump it lol' is like a dagger in my Nokia loving heart. I actually googled his name to see what he looks like, so in my brain I could have a better image of my nemesis. He has one of them little devil beards, a blonde one no less, so now whenever I see him dismissing the next frustrating bug as 'invalid' I'll imagine grabbing those tufts and tugging it off his chin.

I suspect there won't be much improvement now until maemo 6, it's not so far away and all resources will now be focused on it. However I do think we'll get some version of it on our n900. In the meantime we'll have to grit our teeth and bear the frustrating scroll or the glitchy UI, in the hope of better things to come. Or, maybe some bright spark in the community will be able to come up with something in the meantime. But this project needs to be Nokia driven. I see a hungry Google pushing Android, Apple continuing to improve the iPhone, Nokia are still putting all their weight behind Symbian (the same managers plotting Nokia's future direction are probably the same who have to justify the cost of purchasing it ofcourse), and Andre Klapper's mean expression hovering over the future of Maemo, "invalid" stamp in hand, like the mean bank manager from "It's a wonderful life". Where's our George Bailey?

Now Im going to look for posts from that kathy girl who has all them pics of happy bears around the place, to help cheer me up.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

remember the raw power arm cortex 8a

GENERAL 2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 1700 / 2100 / 900
Announced 2009, August
Status Available. Released 2009, November
SIZE Dimensions 110.9 x 59.8 x 18 mm, 113 cc
Weight 181 g
DISPLAY Type TFT resistive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 800 x 480 pixels, 3.5 inches
- Proximity sensor for auto turn-off
- Accelerometer sensor for auto-rotate
- Full QWERTY keyboard
SOUND Alert types Vibration; MP3 ringtones
Speakerphone Yes, with stereo speakers
- 3.5 mm audio jack
MEMORY Phonebook Practically unlimited entries and fields, Photocall
Call records Detailed, max 30 days
Internal 32 GB storage, 256 MB RAM
Card slot microSD, up to 16GB, buy memory
DATA GPRS Class 32
EDGE Class 32
3G HSDPA, 10Mbps; HSUPA, 2Mbps
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, DLNA
Bluetooth Yes, v2.1 with A2DP
Infrared port Yes
USB Yes, v2.0 microUSB
CAMERA Primary 5 MP, 2576x1936 pixels, Carl Zeiss optics, autofocus, Dual LED flash, video light
Features Geo-tagging
Video Yes, WVGA(848 x 480)@25fps
Secondary Yes, VGA
FEATURES OS Maemo 5
CPU ARM Cortex A8 600 MHz, PowerVR SGX graphics
Messaging SMS (threaded view), Email, Push Email, IM
Browser xHTML, HTML, RSS feeds
Radio Stereo FM radio (via third party software); FM transmitter
Games Yes, 5 + downloadable
Colors Black
GPS Yes, with A-GPS support; Ovi Maps
Java No
- Skype and GoogleTalk VoIP integration
- MP3/WMA/WAV/eAAC+ music player
- WMV/RealVideo/MP4/AVI/XviD/DivX video player
- TV-out
- PDF document viewer
- Photo editor
- Adobe Flash Player 9.4
BATTERY Standard battery, Li-Ion 1320 mAh (BL-5J)
Stand-by Up to 96 h
Talk time Up to 9 h (2G) / Up to 5 h (3G)
MISC SAR US 0.92 W/kg (head) 0.82 W/kg (body)
SAR EU 0.80 W/kg (head)

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Really???

I've heard Rumor of a VP at the Nokia N-series project that may disagree with you.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Not totally true, at least for me.
Of course I'd like to see harmattan on the n900, but I'll survive happy and will not consider my new device a brick only if maemo5 will get upgrades and enhancements.
I'm speaking about ovi maps 3, umts/skype video calls, flash player upgrades, phone enhancements (like the easy differentiation of ringtones per group/user).
But it seems that ovi maps 3, for example, is scheduled for harmattan only, that's the only reason of my interest in this thread!

My2c.

Niko

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

what are the chances Mer will be compatible with Maemo 5 and Maemo 6 apps? Maybe the community can just ditch Maemo for Mer?

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Not because of the person you mentioned, but yes, before Nokia get the finger out of its a** or even promote a spokes person tha that actually can stand behind his/hers words, N900 in my and whom ever actually wonders if this is a buy or rabbit-hole device should stay away. I did not get what i most honestly thought I bought.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

No apps? I've had my N900 for a little over a week. In that time, the number of downloads at Maemo.org had grown by around 20. Even if these are all updates to software, that is still progess. Yes, there are no fart apps, or the other 10,000,000,000,000 or whatever junk apps iPhone has, but quite a few of those aren't needed as we have Flash on the N900. Thus we can go to the actual web page and not have to use an app. Not to sound nasty, but if all you want is something to show off to your friends, than the N900 possibly isn't for you.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

oh god....right sooo

has nokia officially dropped support for the n900?
has nokia said that m6 will/wont run on the n900?

because all i see here is pointless speculation about the devices purpose and lifetime,

and please dont use iphone and n900 in the same sentence, they are both worlds appart but i'd easily class the n900 as the uprated device.

the fact is we don't know what will happen, but we do know there is a firm maemo community and that devices get nowhere without the community support, have faith people! i will have my device for two years on contract and ive been using it more then my main lappy, im attached to this thing and cant wait for future releases!

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

That Kathy girl with the bears is here. Actually, Andre and the bug team are pretty good guys, Even the ones who seem fierce and bad-tempered round here are good blokes when you meet them. They have to be quite strong to tame a monster like Bugzilla.

I think Nokia will go on ironing out bugs. There are rumours of at least a couple more updates (one minor, one more major) during the spring. What I suspect they will do less of is adding more features.

What you have to ask yourself is why you bought the device: was it for what it did have, or for what you convinced yourself it might?

See, I bought a feature set, knowing that it met *most* of my wishes/needs. And there wasn't a device out there with all of them. So I'm not really disappointed for what it doesn't have. And it will still have those things even when Maemo 6 comes out. If I'd waited for Maemo 6, then Maemo 7 would have been just around the corner. ;)

I bought it for what it does now. And it does. The community is adding features, but I don't expect Nokia will. I do expect them to fix the worst of the bugs. ;)

And Qt 4.6 is awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1i0nDZgXvE

(And it definitely runs on n900 - it's running 'sheep' on My Mo ;) )

You have an amazing device in your hand... no, put that away! I mean your n900. You have the best spec and the best software right now. We might all be blowed up by an hemorrhoid before Maemo 6 arrives.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

After starting this thread and reading your helpful replies ,I have some positive thoughts:
What do we need exactly from Nokia (except another one or two firmware updates)? almost nothing!
-After seeing windows 3.11 / windows 98 / android running on N900, I'm almost sure that maemo 6 will be ported to N900 somehow unofficially.
when this happen, the whole problem will be solved (although this depends on the degree of compatibility after porting)
-Even if maemo 6 will not be ported to N900, currently Qt4.6 is being ported so maemo 6 apps written using Qt4.6 will be compatible with N900 and this ensures that n900 will have access to new apps after releasing maemo 6 and will not be dead as we fear.

So I think that the worst case of Nokia to ignore N900 is not a big problem.
Am I right in these thoughts or I am too optimistic?

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

I'd say you were spot on. ;)

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

noope your dam right ael , faith in the hardware software and the community will lead to high praised results!

i have no doubts at all :)

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Hi that Kathy with the bears :)

Yes, he probably is and I don't really hate him, but he'll have to do until I can find somebody who actually deserves it. I do still wish to tug his devil beard though, nothing you can say will quench that urge.

Yes, I think you're right. But I wants moar features.. MOAR!!

Both of the above

Spoilsport.

I have an amazing device in both hands, I've been checking out that thread about making certain videos invisble...

Not really ;)

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Ceiling cat is watching you. ;)

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Before N900 a had Fujitsu T830. after a year of using T830 i want something better than it but until now i have no choice
Now I have large screen, usb2.0 but no host mode, great storage , decent camera, some extras like FM rx/Tx.
T830 have almost no support from fujitsu or siemens :o and it have lousy range of applications but iGo6 work great on it and i travel over the Europe guided by my T830.
I want from my N900 running app like IGo8, decent ( working ) imaps mail client, fast office suite ( with edit), remote desktop, secure connection to my servers and some games. until now n900 is 90% close to my desire. All of us we are a snapshoot on Nokia production plan/ range. Support from mother company would be gread. Decent default applications also would be great, bug fighting is energy consumming task. It is so hard to make bug free app. over the entire range of maemo ? Can we inherit app from previous release, bug corected ?
Is only a matter of will ! Hope Nokia have .
I love my N900, maemo so i took N810

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

I've been wondering about this.. does the N900 have all enablers required to implement the Maemo 6 security framework as described in these slides http://www.slideshare.net/peterschne...tform-security ? OMAP3430 data sheet mentions ARM Trustzone support but I have way too little knowledge about security and related sw/hw to really draw any conclusions either way.

By the way, the author of those slides answered some questions about the design here http://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoSecurity

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Ah "Security" and "Trustzone", aka "How your hardware is used by a 3rd party against you."

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

i definatelyagree blue, a decent sat nav app would be great along with nokias personal support of the device! i would like to see flash ten support on the device (i think flash ten alpha for linus was released) that way our hardware would go even further with flash content! lol

this things a great entertainment platform

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

That's exactly what I'm saying - you ask for one thing assuming that it ensures another. Maemo 5 might as well run Harmattan applications at some point. Harmattan itself might not run well on the N900 for whatever reason (multitouch? memory? DRM?). I don't (necessarily) want Maemo 6. I want next generation apps on the N900 all right, but I leave to Nokia to decide whether Maemo 6 or a Qt-steroidized Maemo 5 is better suited for that - I simply do not have the inside knowledge to judge that choice at this point.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Any device that ever got made by any company is going to be ignored by its maker -- eventually. So why sweat it??? You have the device now, if the spec meet your needs or you are able to tolerate the features(ie. those that are important to you) that are missing now; then enjoy the unit to the fullness. If it is not your cup of tea, then go ahead and sell it - chalk up the experiences as a lesson learnt.

Cheers,

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

This issue has picked up steam because of one thing... "Free Maps"...

That's it... If that announcement wasn't made or if the majority of those that are crying now were simply given free navigation, (or any freakin' navigation for that matter) we wouldn't see as much turmoil. Premature demands for statements regarding backward compatibility would not be as loud.

Many users may believe that they are stuck with what they now have and that the current OVI maps application on their N900's, as well as other OVI products like OVI Suite will not see any more improvements. Regardless of turn-by-turn navigation, things like not being able to save locations and the absence of an on screen keyboard makes the N900 version more like Cripple or Demo-ware. Certainly not a finished product.

For this I blame Nokia and not Maemo. In fact I blame Nokia for the whole OVI debacle with regard to Maemo. It's as if one side of their house has no idea about what the other side does. Or worse, someone like "Joe Isuzu" is running the marketing campaigns.

If the purpose of this was just to be able to say "Yup, the N900 has maps." then they could have saved us all a lot of space by just pointing to a preinstalled, JPG image of a map of the world or suttin' instead. :rolleyes:
... it would be about as useful.

***

As someone said earlier, "How do we know M6 doesn't suck?"

Perhaps things like OVI and increased contributions from commercial developers will be better on Harmattan because areas of M6 will be less open to us... :eek:

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

firefox mobile for n900 with flash addon is ok. it work.

Re: Will N900 be ignored by Nokia?
 

Oh i agree, im running flash content flawlessly, but flash 10 (on net tops is allowing HD video playback from a once stuttery enviroment.)

The performance gain is pretty massive.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

http://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoSecurity

This is some scary sh**!

If Maemo 6 includes this "security framework" then I am keeping my n900 the way it is!

I've changed my mind - I don't want Maemo 6 on my n900!

Maybe Mer is the way forward.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Would this let an operator control what applications coulld/could not be installed on the device?

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

Out of curiosity, why? You can buy always buy it unlocked. The "open mode" will be available at least on unlocked phones and as far as I understood it, it's pretty much like what you get with Maemo 5 now.

It's up to each one to decide whether they think that's worth having and they do have the choice. If Nokia wants to take this mainstream they have to woo operators(possibility to sim lock) and they have to woo companies(possibility to use DRM).

I have a bad feeling this thread is about to derail though, which is not what I intended with my original question.

Re: Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?
 

i want maemo 6 and its full state on nokia n900 why maemo 5 will always be incomplete maemo 6 supports landscape and portrait mode and much more goodie if i know that i would bought a incomplete device i would supported $700 us is alot of money to support something which is incomplete
if nokia n900 dont put maemo6 on the n900 they will be lose one of their biggest i from nokia 6230 6680 6681 3230 n91 n93 n73 n93i n800 n96 n95 n85 n86 n97 and currently n900 and nokia 2680 i love nokia phones that alot of support please nokia give us maemo 6 and adobe 10.1 and all the goodies that comeswith it, which is more production ready thank