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vitaly_repin 2009-12-20 08:31

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hex900 (Post 435007)
It started as "is it supported" then went in various directions.

This is the message this thread started from: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=18

It answers to your questions about Google and nuevasync.

Unfortunately, recently it was merged with existing thread and the most important message is not the very first anymore.

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My biggest issue across all services is the N900's MfE doesn't a) pull over all fields per EAS protocol spec,
It is too generic statement. Could you provide concrete examples?
I can confirm that N900 MfE does not pull over all fields per EAS protocol specs, it works only with the fields which are supported by the device itself. E.g., it makes no sense to retrieve the list of blacklisted applications from the server (the list of apps which are not allowed to be executed by server administrator) as there is no support for this functionality in the device (which is linux device, not Windows device).

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b) doesn't properly map fields (Exch07/Google are most problematic - esp. calendar/contact notes),
Examples?

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c) doesn't properly update N900 changes back to server,
If the problem occurs with google, check this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...9&postcount=18

If the problem occurs with legacy Exchange 2007, then provide more data, pls.

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d) IM fields are not pulled into the contact they are associated with - for Google, this is really problematic - two IM addresses = 4 contacts in addition to the primary contact they came from which no longer has an IM info. Why 4 new contacts? 1 for IM address, 1 for email of that IM address x 2 = 4. Merge 50 on your phone to correct? Doesn't 'stick' - if you have to do a full resynch, you have to re-merge PLUS the 4 additional contacts created on the phone get stuck back on Google for you to go delete a couple hundred entries.
Yep. This is protocol limitation. We have even created a hack to push ALL the contact data into the server's "Notes" field as a text. It was done during developement time but it was decided not to go with this solution as it is a "hack".

Thank you for the feedback.

jcompagner 2009-12-20 11:28

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
about the multi calendar support, i dont have a personal end buss. calendar but i do use google a lot for 1 personal one and besides that 2-3 public/shared once that are not my own like my own football schedule and the football schedule of the team i am following. I would love to be able to sync those as there own cal to the n900 currenly even nuevasync will not sync them even as 1 cal (why i dont know they seem to support it somehow the shared weather they have as an option)

but i hope that there will be a 3th party impl that just runs on the phone talking directly through the google api's and updates the cal db.

JPvdBos 2009-12-20 15:45

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 429532)
Point is taken.

Just small comment. N900 does not have java and MMS inside. Nobody cares.

Hi Vitaly,

Interesting remark you made. I did not mention Java 'cause the subject of this thread is MfE.

Java is actually item nr 2 on my wish-list. Since we use SUN solutions for thin client computing - I would love to find out if the Nokia N900 would actually be the first phone that can handle thin client. And the ability to use Java is a requirement (and the only requirement) for SUN thin client. (Using SUN Secure Global Desktop or SSGD.)

I noticed a different thread that says Java could be done. But I really hope that it will be supported "out-of-the-box" any time soon.

Any expectations around Java you care to share?

Regards,
Jan-Paul

melino 2009-12-20 20:10

MfE in N900: Can I edit hidden settings?
 
Today I have managed to bring the e-mail client of Web OS to use ‘Smart Reply’ instead of standard reply. I just had to edit a java script file.
I don't know much about Maemo. Is there a possibility to edit such a file inside the N900 too, to have MfE use Smart Reply? It already uses Smart Forward, so I am confident…

double07 2009-12-21 00:49

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Any ETA on Exchange 2003 support? Thanks.

tomster 2009-12-21 12:53

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I am somewhat confused with how the N900 behaves when playing around a bit with the settings. OK, I do use a Scalix server, not a genuine MS Exchange, but it worked fair enough for me in the past with my E71. The N900 just won't sync.

When I enter the correct server domain on the phone I get a "Error in Exchange-server". When I put the IP address I get the well-known "Either the server requires a secure..." error. It seems that those two error messages have different causes. But why? I would assume MfE to behave exact the same way no matter what the entries would be because they both point to the exact same destination. Especially in regards of the obvious Echange 2003/2007 compatibility issue as main cause in mind?!

One thing that surprises me though is that there's no trace of certificate check. At least when trying to connect via IP address the certificate should show an error since it's only certified for the domain name, not the IP address - but it doesn't. I wonder if there's a certificate check at all...

vitaly_repin 2009-12-21 13:09

Re: MfE in N900: Can I edit hidden settings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by melino (Post 435644)
Today I have managed to bring the e-mail client of Web OS to use ‘Smart Reply’ instead of standard reply. I just had to edit a java script file.
I don't know much about Maemo. Is there a possibility to edit such a file inside the N900 too, to have MfE use Smart Reply? It already uses Smart Forward, so I am confident…

No. It is not the settings. It is rather mail client "feature".

melino 2009-12-21 13:11

Re: MfE in N900: Can I edit hidden settings?
 
Not sure what you mean here.
No way to bring MfE to smart reply? Even not with "deeper" modification?

SubCore 2009-12-21 13:29

Re: MfE in N900: Can I edit hidden settings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by melino (Post 436349)
Not sure what you mean here.
No way to bring MfE to smart reply? Even not with "deeper" modification?

didn't you read vitalys reply to a post from you in the other thread?

MfE doesn't support smart reply because the Maemo 5 Mailclient (called "Modest") needs some modifications before it's possible.

melino 2009-12-21 13:30

Re: MfE in N900: Can I edit hidden settings?
 
Ah ok, now I understand. Thank you...

sjgadsby 2009-12-21 13:51

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Threads merged.

erikn900 2009-12-21 16:33

Exchange bug?
 
Hi ,
I have just put my exchange 2007 account in the N900, but I cant see my inbox , or any other folder of mine.

secondly when i receive en email, it displays the message in a desktop window. But when I try to open the message is is blank end with "no subject".

I guess this isn´t normal?

Texrat 2009-12-21 16:43

Re: Exchange bug?
 
See if anything in this thread helps.

sjgadsby 2009-12-21 16:58

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Threads merged.

utteputtes 2009-12-21 18:34

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
MfE uses ActiveSync. So does Lotus Traveller. The only problem is, one can't set correct path (the servlet that does ActiveSync is at /lotus/traveller) on the client.

Suggestion: As there seems to be several non-Microsoft vendors that use ActiveSync how about drop the MfE name entirely and rename it as "ActiveSync" and make sure it can work with all?

That would end in far more satisfied users. I for one am majorly pissed off because I can't set the silly path, I am forced to use IMAP for mail and have no means of synchronizing my calendar :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Saturn 2009-12-21 22:23

Re: Exchange bug?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by erikn900 (Post 436518)
Hi ,
I have just put my exchange 2007 account in the N900, but I cant see my inbox , or any other folder of mine.

secondly when i receive en email, it displays the message in a desktop window. But when I try to open the message is is blank end with "no subject".

I guess this isn´t normal?

I don't have any concrete evidence but it's my feeling that exceeding a number of folders or mails makes modest (the mail application) behave like that.

In any case, I have the same behaviour also in an imap acount when a second imap acount works just fine.

fidel cashlow 2009-12-22 02:21

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
I'm not sure if this has been discussed but how is the software update going to be handled? Firmware update?

rvdkrogt 2009-12-22 07:11

MfE gives Error "Exchange Account Disabled Connection Refused" when creating account
 
Dear all,

Saturday I got my new N900. I cannot get it synchronising with our corporate Exchange 2007 server. Where this was
working with my N96 (through Roadsync). And as there is no alternative, I would like to resolve this now. I cannot
really understand why I should contact our Corporate IT department (yes the device is non-standard). Also other Nokia devices (was it not the N71) work nicely.

Is there a way to make this work? Syncin' Mail/Calendar/Contacts is critical to me.

Regards,

Rob

Rauha 2009-12-22 07:46

Re: MfE gives Error "Exchange Account Disabled Connection Refused" when creating account
 
You might want to read/post your question in this thread.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ighlight=blame

rvdkrogt 2009-12-22 09:35

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Hi all,

Quote:

Originally Posted by laroma (Post 435097)
Mfe is giving an error, that "connection must be secure or account is disabled".

I have the samen problem. Is there anybody that knows how to resolve this without having to change my companies policies? I understand it does work with a Nokia E71 and also Roadsync (on my current N96) works.

Quote:

Originally Posted by laroma (Post 435097)
The error is displayed instanty when I press next button on the wizard, and it feels like it doesn't even try to connect.

I emailed to nuevasync and they told me that it should work. Any idea why this is happening...?

Thanks,
Rob

pelago 2009-12-22 09:48

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fidel cashlow (Post 437048)
I'm not sure if this has been discussed but how is the software update going to be handled? Firmware update?

If it's anything like previous devices (where the updates were called SSUs, for seamless software updates), you'll get a notification of an update in the notification area, and when you click on it you can download and install the update over the air.

HugoSon 2009-12-22 11:51

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Nice - the next sw update will get access to the Company Directory (and this is a clear enhancement - not a bug being fixed).
See here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7222

I hope the next sw update will also be able to send out eMails while manual sync...
UPDATE: @Vitaly: that was a hidden question...

vitaly_repin 2009-12-22 12:04

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JPvdBos (Post 435344)
Hi Vitaly,

Interesting remark you made. I did not mention Java 'cause the subject of this thread is MfE.

If you can raise this question in another thread, I will be able to continue java discussion there...

I have thoughts to share on this matter. But not in this thread as it is MfE-specific.

SkyEagle 2009-12-22 13:25

Re: MfE in N900: Can I edit hidden settings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 436347)
No. It is not the settings. It is rather mail client "feature".

Hi Vitaly

I want to thank you VERY much for your kindness and support to all of us. Your partecipation to this forum is very important for many users like me.

I have just received my new N900. I ordered it after you post that the problem with MFe and Exchange 2003 was fixed.
I hope that the new firmware will be available very soon.
I'm waiting to switch to N900 as primary phone for MfE problem.

I write this email mainly to say thank you very much...but since I'm here ;-) ...I take the opportunity also to ask you:

1) do you know if the new firmware will include portrait mode ?
(sorry for the OT but is important)

2) Are any developing on new features on modest client (smart reply etc.) and MFE full implementation of functions going on in Nokia Dev team ? Will we see them soon ?

3) Since all SMS, email etc are stored in SQL lite DB, can we see soon a good local SEARCH function on N900 ?

4) Will Java be implemented by Nokia or only by Community effort ?
thanks for the reply,
SkyEagle

dboreham 2009-12-23 18:52

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Hi, I'm from NuevaSync. We like to maintain compatibility with all Exchange-capable device types, and although the N900 does work with our service (we've always had protocol version 12.1 support), there have been a few random issues reported by users. In order to investigate and fix these, I am now the proud owner of a new N900. Even better, I've been able to reproduce one of the problems users have reported. However, I want to be sure that I'm running the latest version of the N900 MfE client. So far I confess I have not found any way to update the device's firmware (PC Suite doesn't want to do so because it doesn't like something about the SIM in the phone). So, a quick question : 1) what's the current MfE version? 2) how do I find the version number from the device ? 3) how would I update MfE if there were a newer release ?

Thanks much for your help.

jsharper 2009-12-23 18:57

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Unfortunately, there hasn't been any firmware or MfE update since the initial production firmware release... so, unless you get some backdoor testing firmware from Nokia, you'll have to wait like the rest of us.

dboreham 2009-12-23 19:33

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jsharper (Post 439409)
Unfortunately, there hasn't been any firmware or MfE update since the initial production firmware release... so, unless you get some backdoor testing firmware from Nokia, you'll have to wait like the rest of us.

That's fine. We're used to inventing creative solutions to work with the devices in the field, even when they have bugs. I did want to be sure that we wouldn't get to the end of the work and discover there had been an update available all along. So you've answered my question, thanks.

filbert 2009-12-23 20:36

Server not respoding - solution?
 
I have been trying to sync with my Google calendar and getting a 'server not responding' error. I saw a message somewhere (i thought in this thread) that defining a new calendar could fix that.

I can confirm that, by doing it with a new calendar, I now have two-way syncing with my Google calendar. :)

Many thanks to whoever posted it wherever it was!

Rgrds

Peter

By the way - the error messages, such as the server one, flash up and disappear so quickly, that it is easy to miss them

Jaffa 2009-12-23 21:50

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dboreham (Post 439443)
That's fine. We're used to inventing creative solutions to work with the devices in the field, even when they have bugs. I did want to be sure that we wouldn't get to the end of the work and discover there had been an update available all along. So you've answered my question, thanks.

As per the recent post on maemo-community, some members of the community have a later firmware now:

http://maemo.org/community/maemo-com...mantle_pr_1-1/

Saturn 2009-12-24 00:43

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 439581)
As per the recent post on maemo-community, some members of the community have a later firmware now:

http://maemo.org/community/maemo-com...mantle_pr_1-1/

After 3 years in this community, I'm still amazed by the intaraction Meamo has with the community.

Excelent news and thanks for the info.

alex_z 2009-12-24 07:05

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
one more item to be fixed: when forwarding/replying to an email, original email is not being marked as "forwarded"/"replied".

SkyEagle 2009-12-24 12:10

Merry Xmas !!!
 
Hi Guys !

I see that no one replyed till now, but I understand you're busy with Xmas holiday, family , friends etc etc...

So I go a little off-topic just to wish to Vitaly and all of you great members of the Maemo community a

MERRY CRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!

I hope 2010 will be a special year for Maemo and all the Community around it. You're great !!!

Cesare
SkyEagle

jcompagner 2009-12-24 14:09

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dboreham (Post 439404)
Hi, I'm from NuevaSync. .

good to know that nuevasync itself also now have a N900! :)

1 thing that i would like very much is syncing all my calenders to the N900 (including the public once that are not directly my own).
But not syncing that to one calender on the N900 but just a 1-1 mapping from a google calendar to a N900 calendar.

I wouldnt have problem with it bing a paid service instead of free service..

but i dont know if multi cal is even supported through MfE?

dboreham 2009-12-24 19:03

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcompagner (Post 440279)
good to know that nuevasync itself also now have a N900! :)

1 thing that i would like very much is syncing all my calenders to the N900 (including the public once that are not directly my own).
But not syncing that to one calender on the N900 but just a 1-1 mapping from a google calendar to a N900 calendar.

I wouldnt have problem with it bing a paid service instead of free service..

but i dont know if multi cal is even supported through MfE?

I can answer that because we coded up a special mode where we can respond to a device as if it supports multiple calendars (a la iPhone), even if normally the service wouldn't. I tried that with the N900 and unfortunately no luck -- the device's MfE only supports syncing one calendar. Perhaps the MfE developers can add this feature. It wouldn't be too hard I think since MfE already has the necessary folder support for email, and the device has multiple calendars.

THavoc 2009-12-24 19:10

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Dear Vitaly,

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 434710)
Update: Sent instructions by private messaging mechanism. Don't hesitate to contact me with questions.

could I also ask for a copy?

Keep up the good work, and Merry Xmas!

vitaly_repin 2009-12-25 20:07

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

I hope the next sw update will also be able to send out eMails while manual sync...
Sure. This was a clear bug which is fixed. The workaround - to use "Send/Receive" from mail client.

vitaly_repin 2009-12-25 20:16

Re: MfE in N900: Can I edit hidden settings?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SkyEagle (Post 437474)
I want to thank you VERY much for your kindness and support to all of us.

Thank you very much for the warm words.

Quote:

1) do you know if the new firmware will include portrait mode ?
(sorry for the OT but is important)
Let marketing guys to announce Maemo firmware releases and the new features inside. I am not Maemo spokesman :)

Quote:

2) Are any developing on new features on modest client (smart reply etc.) and MFE full implementation of functions going on in Nokia Dev team ? Will we see them soon ?
Nokia Dev team is working on N900 MfE improvements.
Modest is open-sourced and you can see the directions it goes by yourself.

Quote:

3) Since all SMS, email etc are stored in SQL lite DB, can we see soon a good local SEARCH function on N900 ?
If you ask about Nokia plans, I can only repeat that I am not Maemo spokesman. If you are asking about technical possibilities - why not?

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4) Will Java be implemented by Nokia or only by Community effort ?
Can only repeat my statement about not being Maemo spokesman :) And I can also recommend you and all the java funs to communicate with jalimo project (jalimo.org)

vitaly_repin 2009-12-25 20:24

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dboreham (Post 439404)
In order to investigate and fix these, I am now the proud owner of a new N900.

Congratulations! Welcome to the club! :)

Quote:

However, I want to be sure that I'm running the latest version of the N900 MfE client.
You are running the latest PUBLIC version of N900 MfE client.

Quote:

1) what's the current MfE version?
The version which is installed in your sales box. Maemo has not released any sw. updates yet.

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2) how do I find the version number from the device ?
Settings, "About product" will show you the Maemo version.
MfE is part of Maemo and is not distributed separately.

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3) how would I update MfE if there were a newer release ?
With SSU: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At9tJHmgnrE

vitaly_repin 2009-12-25 20:38

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by THavoc (Post 440671)
could I also ask for a copy?

Was not able to send you a private message.

Could you send me the message so that I will be able to reply back?

Quote:

Keep up the good work, and Merry Xmas!
Thanks! Merry Christmas!

THavoc 2009-12-25 21:57

Re: Mail for Exchange (MfE). Blame me here, pls
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaly_repin (Post 441614)
Was not able to send you a private message.

Hm, looks like I don't have persmission to use PMs. Interesting.

Anyways: thavoc at gmail.com. Thanks in advance.


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