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Akkumaru 2013-02-04 06:10
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I've always hoped that, just because I want to VNC to my computer on N900 :P

mariusmssj 2013-02-20 12:17
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ST-Ericsson brings PC speeds to mobile devices: First 3GHz smartphone prototype demo at Mobile World Congress

Quote:
In addition to speed and multiband support, the NovaThor L8580 consumes 35% less power than rival architectures at comparable high frequencies. And last but not least, the L8580’s ground breaking 0.6V low power mode consumes 50% less power at 1GHz redefining the active standby experience for users of mobile devices while adding hours of battery life,” continued Lamouche. “All of these factors highlight the innovation and product differentiation that ST-Ericsson can now deliver to its customers.

Hurrian 2013-02-20 13:31
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0.6V at 1GHz? This sounds too good to be true for the whole SoC.
If they do reach even 0.7V Vcc at 1GHz for the whole SoC at 50% load I'll eat my hat.

At that voltage range, 2GHz is a reality on 1.0V. Imagine an A15@2GHz on a phone.

Dave999 2013-02-20 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1324078)
0.6V at 1GHz? This sounds too good to be true for the whole SoC.
If they do reach even 0.7V Vcc at 1GHz for the whole SoC at 50% load I'll eat my hat.

At that voltage range, 2GHz is a reality on 1.0V. Imagine an A15@2GHz on a phone.
I have no clue what you talking about. I demand an image!

Image or lie...especially that part with the hat.

jalyst 2013-02-20 17:06
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Sounds way too fanciful, we need to see some real/bench-able devices using it, I doubt it'll end-up being competitive with Qualcomm SoCs coming, let alone blow them out of the water.
Aside from that, I still hold to the contention that Jolla won't be using this, if they do use STE it'll be the U8500, or the model just below the L8580...

Makeclick 2013-02-25 16:43
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This is interesting
https://sailfishos.org/core-article.html
https://sailfishos.org/core-gestures-article.html

So they added "kill swipe" Top to bottom :P.
And from the Home you will acces to the Apps (multitasking screen?)

Makeclick 2013-02-25 16:48
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^^or is it only the running app (one app)? So, it is still only max 9 app multitasking?

OVK 2013-02-26 18:56
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There is some new information available (in Finnish). Finnish financial magazine Taloussanomat reports that Marc Dillon has confirmed that Jolla aims to have their first phone available in Finland for the Christmas an in China for the Chinese New Year. Jolla will also announce new information about the device soon, hopefully during March-April. They aim to announce the phone early to ensure that they have enough time to concentrate to logistics and other distribution related stuff.

Price of the device will not be the highest among smartphones (reporter speculates about 400€) but the phone will still be highend.

Source: http://m.taloussanomat.fi/?page=show...ewsID=20133111

mikecomputing 2013-02-26 19:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1325474)
There is some new information available (in Finnish). Finnish financial magazine Taloussanomat reports that Marc Dillon has confirmed that Jolla aims to have their first phone available in Finland for the Christmas an in China for the Chinese New Year. Jolla will also announce new information about the device soon, hopefully during March-April. They aim to announce the phone early to ensure that they have enough time to concentrate to logistics and other distribution related stuff.

Price of the device will not be the highest among smartphones (reporter speculates about 400€) but the phone will still be highend.

Source: http://m.taloussanomat.fi/?page=show...ewsID=20133111
Christmas :O :O okey then I hope we can run sailfishos on N9 ASAP! so we can make apps!

Dave999 2013-02-26 19:12
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What happend with the SUuUmMMer? When is Chinese new year? During summer?

Where did jolla confirmed this? Have they totally lost their minds? If that is true they have totally lost the credibility!

http://thewholeway.files.wordpress.c...nt_of_fail.jpg

jalyst 2013-02-26 19:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1325474)
There is some new information available (in Finnish). Finnish financial magazine Taloussanomat reports that Marc Dillon has confirmed that Jolla aims to have their first phone available in Finland for the Christmas & in China for the Chinese New Year. Jolla will also announce new information about the device soon, hopefully during March-April. They aim to announce the phone early to ensure that they have enough time to concentrate to logistics and other distribution related stuff.

Price of the device will not be the highest among smartphones (reporter speculates about 400€) but the phone will still be highend.

Source: http://m.taloussanomat.fi/?page=show...ewsID=20133111
Sigh... what a joke... Jolla, Jolla, Jolla....
I also suspected they were going to shift the goal posts on it being a "truly premium device", to one that's "kinda high-end".
Partly because they're probably using something quite mediocre like the U8500, or the next model up at best (not the top-most one*).
With availability not till Dec or later, it's sheer stupidity to continue with their original plans to outline everything about the device within Q1.
If they do that & it doesn't have some very strong specs or at least one or two unique or top-notch hw aspects, then it's a major set-back
Sure the small community that's always rallied around Maemo/MeeGo et al will probably (at least partly) stick by them, but it won't get much wider momentum/appeal.
We'd have to hope that another Sailfish vendor does much better hw-wise, but then they prolly won't have some of the nice sw that Jolla plans to keep exclusive.
And the only vendors we've heard about so far aren't exactly well-known for quality builds, the best they may do is put powerful core components in there, & not value-add much elsewhere.
I pray to God this is a total BS story, & they're just "talking out of their ***" by making-up stuff that was never said...

*then again, being released in Dec+ now means the topmost one is possible, but there's still some Qn over how "truly competitive" that SoC is, esp. in Dec/Jan.

mikecomputing 2013-02-26 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1325488)
Sigh... what a joke... Jolla, Jolla, Jolla...
I also suspected they were going to shift the goal posts on it being a truly premium end device, to one that's "kinda high-end".
Because I reckon they're using something quite mediocre like the U8500, or the next model up at best (not the topmost one).
I dont need the topmost I am more scared I will not see the device in Sweden :( And if only finland It may very well be operator locked so no way to import :(

slarti 2013-02-26 19:49
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Don't worry, none of the operators lock phones in Finland anymore. Not even TeliaSonera locks the iStupid.

Dave999 2013-02-26 19:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slarti (Post 1325493)
Don't worry, none of the operators lock phones in Finland anymore. Not even TeliaSonera locks the iStupid.
I'm not worried about that. I'm more worried we won't even see a phone on Any market. If they just like that lied about summer. What makes you think they won't push it another 6 month to July 2014? Then they have it right again becouse its summer... They don't have a clue what they are doing!

jalyst 2013-02-26 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1325480)
When is Chinese new year? During summer?
No it's next yr, it varies from year-to-year but it's generally within Q1, next year it's 31/01...

Makeclick 2013-02-26 19:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1325490)
I dont need the topmost I am more scared I will not see the device in Sweden :( And if only finland It may very well be operator locked so no way to import :(
Where is the will, there is the way.. Of corse we must get it to Sweden too and other neighbors! I personaly don't beleave, that there is going to be any operator lock.

But what a f! End of the year! So, the Sailfish is not that ready after all... Ubuntu phone vs Jolla? Well.. One good thing. I bought LG Nexux 4 :) Welcome Ubuntu phone OS.

jalyst 2013-02-26 20:12
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We started the year with Ubuntu not being available till Q1 next year, then they guaranteed by October, Sailfish shifted from Aug. at the latest* to mid-Dec in a few EU countries, & everywhere else (which will be very few -completely Eastern- countries initially) by mid-Q1 2014 >.> And Ubuntu's so uninteresting compared to Sailfish, it's basically just CM with a QML shell**, but they're executing so much better, they're going have a way more vibrant community long before Jolla gets going >.>

*or early Sept, "Summer" is def. no later than that
**there's a bit more to it than that

mikecomputing 2013-02-26 20:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1325497)
Where is the will, there is the way.. Of corse we must get it to Sweden too and other neighbors! I personaly don't beleave, that there is going to be any operator lock.

But what a f! End of the year! So, the Sailfish is not that ready after all... Ubuntu phone vs Jolla? Well.. One good thing. I bought LG Nexux 4 :) Welcome Ubuntu phone OS.
ROTFL Ubuntumobile will be WAY from ready even next year. And depends on Android WTF :/

Mer+SalfishOS is far more ready right now.

jalyst 2013-02-26 20:50
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I don't care only about how optimised the sw is, or how open/flexible it is, specs DO MATTER...
Esp. for a co. like Jolla which has sold itself as: "we're just as much about the hw as the sw", & "we will offer a premium end device".
They need a "Nexus" ph to spark some momentum around Sailfish, having awesome code is only part of the equation, sure probably the most important, but specs are still weighty.
If the specs aren't top-notch, then the price better not remain "premium" as well... >.>

mikecomputing 2013-02-26 20:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1325499)
We started the year with Ubuntu not being available till Q1 next year, then they guaranteed by October, Sailfish shifted from Aug. at the latest* to mid-Dec in a few EU countries, & everywhere else (which will be very few -completely Eastern- countries initially) by mid-Q1 2014 >.> And Ubuntu's so uninteresting compared to Sailfish, it's basically just CM with a QML shell**, but they're executing so much better, they're going have a way more vibrant community long before Jolla gets going >.>

*or early Sept, "Summer" is def. no later than that
**there's a bit more to it than that
If developers and the community start show the world how far more ready sailfish SDK is, Jolla can take back the developers.

Sf-OS is already WAY more intresting that Ubuntus halfbacked touchos. Especially for all those developers in the QT and KDE community.

So there is still hope. But first strategy now, for Jolla, is to get the library opened so it can be ported to N9 ASAP. This is VERY IMPORTANT if they want apps ported to theyr comming device!

Scorp1us 2013-02-26 21:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1324078)
0.6V at 1GHz? This sounds too good to be true for the whole SoC.
If they do reach even 0.7V Vcc at 1GHz for the whole SoC at 50% load I'll eat my hat.

At that voltage range, 2GHz is a reality on 1.0V. Imagine an A15@2GHz on a phone.
I'll be looking for a potato powered phone soon. i.e. the Samsung Potato Phone.

jiipee 2013-02-26 21:19
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Such an anti-climax, if the Finnish business magazine has translated Dillon correctly. I thought it was only few days since it was confirmed that the device is out before summer, but looking at the news articles, it does not look like it was. And also in the latest tweets it looks like that the Q1 announcement could be postponed (https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/304151175207452673)

Im not that suprised after reading about the Creoir cooperation only in January. It hints that the physical design needed extra resources. http://nokiagadgets.com/2013/01/12/j...nounced-in-q1/ In the YLE article from January, Jolla is still communicating the Q1/before Summer schedule.

Here's a extremely bad quality new video of the UI with Marc: http://youtu.be/vkAv5_a7--M
Despite the quality, one can see a bit of the events feed and how to set favourites eg in settings.

ps. my first post here at TMO. I try my best to follow the example laid by my favourite, Dave :)

mariusmssj 2013-02-26 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1325495)
I'm not worried about that. I'm more worried we won't even see a phone on Any market. If they just like that lied about summer. What makes you think they won't push it another 6 month to July 2014? Then they have it right again becouse its summer... They don't have a clue what they are doing!
I find it quite funny how you claim they lied when they made no promises.

The reason Jolla was so vague and ambiguous with that they said was in case they couldn't deliver on what they said that's why they made no empty promises.

It's sad I know, but I would rather see a finished product than a buggy mess.

Dave999 2013-02-26 21:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1325518)
I find it quite funny how you claim they lied when they made no promises.

The reason Jolla was so vague and ambiguous with that they said was in case they couldn't deliver on what they said that's why they made no empty promises.

It's sad I know, but I would rather see a finished product than a buggy mess.
Agreed, lied might not be the right word here. The argument don't want a "buggy device" is such a classic. It's always so fun to read it. No one wants a buggy device and this issue is not about that either.

mikecomputing 2013-02-26 21:47
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http://www.computerworld.com.au/arti.../?fp=4&fpid=18

mariusmssj 2013-02-27 12:42
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Brand new SailfishOS demo video by Marc Dillon

Enjoy :)

Leinad 2013-02-27 13:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OVK (Post 1325474)
There is some new information available (in Finnish). Finnish financial magazine Taloussanomat reports that Marc Dillon has confirmed that Jolla aims to have their first phone available in Finland for the Christmas an in China for the Chinese New Year. Jolla will also announce new information about the device soon, hopefully during March-April. They aim to announce the phone early to ensure that they have enough time to concentrate to logistics and other distribution related stuff.

Price of the device will not be the highest among smartphones (reporter speculates about 400€) but the phone will still be highend.

Source: http://m.taloussanomat.fi/?page=show...ewsID=20133111
Well, from what i read out of autotranslation:
Quote:
We are launching the first phone on the second half of this year in Finland and China. We aim at the Christmas market in Finland and the Chinese New Year market, Dillon says Taloussanomat.
i think this does not necessarily mean, the phone does not come before christmas... could some native finnish speaker please clarify this?

kinggo 2013-02-27 13:26
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like the unlike device :D

Makeclick 2013-02-27 13:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1325504)
ROTFL Ubuntumobile will be WAY from ready even next year. And depends on Android WTF :/

Mer+SalfishOS is far more ready right now.
So, why the Sailfish is not ready by summer? We even didn't get any image for N9... even they promised.. or even help community to do so...

Yes, Ubuntu phone has depends of Android devices, but it is only way to install it NOW. If i understand correct, they have to use android drivers for the hardware, but others than that the OS is their, not any android rom/mod. They make own phone, so no worries

Makeclick 2013-02-27 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1325667)
Well, from what i read out of autotranslation:

i think this does not necessarily mean, the phone does not come before christmas... could some native finnish speaker please clarify this?

That was very good translate:

"We are launching the first phone on the second half of this year in Finland and China. We aim at the Christmas market in Finland and the Chinese New Year market, Dillon says Taloussanomat."

It sound odd.. first he say it's out 2/2 - 3/4 of this year and then Christmas which is 4/4 of this year? Right? So... i am little pessimist :D, 2014 1/4 same time when Ubuntu phone is out too. Hope not, but i fear...

don_falcone 2013-02-27 13:56
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...before Christmas? Seriously? The Motorola Nexus will be out before... And even if it comes earlier, there's a good bet it won't have that much _serious_ software available. (Sorry, hackjobs don't count) So it looks like i will have to switch all devices to Android as i don't want to drag things on & on, at least in the meantime/maybe next two years. (hello gerbick ;) For me it's proven that where i set my importance on works. I can live without HW keyboard, if circumstances are that way.

Leinad 2013-02-27 13:57
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I hope it means something like September, which would still be kind of Summer AND 2nd half of the year AND early enough to gain some attention untill Christmas Market, which starts in November...

Makeclick 2013-02-27 14:04
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On video ~4:00->:
"we have 9 applications with active covers on the screen and other are available by scrolling". So, for now. Not so good multitasking device than N900 and N9/50 :(.

But Sailfish looking much better than it looked before (first videos)! Must say it too... redo icons! They don't look good and not blend in with the OS

NokiaFanatic 2013-02-27 14:30
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Hate to say it, but each month that Jolla delay, they are falling further and further behind the competition. Windows Phone has been out 2.5 years now and despite Microsoft throwing oceans of money at the platform, it's still miles behind catching up with Android and Ios. If Jolla are talking about a Christmas release, then you're looking at two years at very least before you have an eco-system that is mature enough for the average user, and that's assuming that Jolla actually is supported by devs. Are people going to wait until 2016 to have a comparable phone to the current market leaders? Also, the mobile market could be in a completely different place to where Jolla are in that time period.

mariusmssj 2013-02-27 14:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1325686)
On video ~4:00->:
"we have 9 applications with active covers on the screen and other are available by scrolling". So, for now. Not so good multitasking device than N900 and N9/50 :(.

But Sailfish looking much better than it looked before (first videos)! Must say it too... redo icons! They don't look good and not blend in with the OS
It was really cool when the swipe from the bottom had a direct peak to notifications

waldo 2013-02-27 15:07
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVQVtiL1os

another new video

jalyst 2013-02-27 15:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leinad (Post 1325667)
Well, from what i read out of autotranslation:

i think this does not necessarily mean, the phone does not come before christmas... could some native finnish speaker please clarify this?
That sounds much less disappointing... I hope this was all just a "lost in translation" thing...
Getting mighty sick of them drip-feeding the media only via Finland most the time, do they see themselves as a global co. or not.

Akkumaru 2013-02-27 15:25
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Maybe 2nd half of year is their product, and christmas is when other vendors get to release their products? IDK really, just a theory.

jalyst 2013-02-27 15:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1325676)
So, why the Sailfish is not ready by summer? We even didn't get any image for N9... even they promised.. or even help community to do so...

Yes, Ubuntu phone has depends of Android devices, but it is only way to install it NOW. If i understand correct, they have to use android drivers for the hardware, but others than that the OS is their, not any android rom/mod. They make own phone, so no worries
Not true, it's based "largely" on CM, even uses Android's SurfaceFlinger (less open/free than Wayland etc), sure there's lot of their own little tweaks, esp. at the upper layers, but overall it's very disappointing that they're going that route. I can totally understand why they are, in many ways it's more pragmatic than Jolla's approach, but at the same time it's somewhat cowardly/uncreative/boring compared to Jolla's approach.

waldo 2013-02-27 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1325650)
On the bottom row in the app tray there was the meecast icon


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