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Acer didn't try to discuss things, they just tried to flout the OHA agreements w/o any prior discussions.

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Yes, that's my point, and it didn't sound good. While Google have their faults, they aren't completely unreasonable. I personally don't care about it though, I'm not going to use any of that closed Android stuff.

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I just want everything in one place (TMO).
I'm getting dizzy looking in twitter, TMO and all the web. ;)

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Yeah it's something like that, I guess...

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Video in engadget is on btw: http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/29/a...he-jolla-phone

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The cluelessness there esp. in the comments (as per usual) is epic...

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...and I think it's a good strategy even if I will not use that stuff.

I really just hope that developer start to make native professional sailfishos apps that will replace most of android apps.

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It's funny when the guy makes an attempt to explain what's wrong with the UX, and he can't. I guess you always get that feeling when you try something new, especially when you can't work it out straight away "this is wrong because I'm not smart enough to pull it out" kind of thing.

To go back to the topic, we need more videos :-D

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Again I say this:

I am not suprised how fast reporters/testers has forgotten how buggy the first IPhone and Android devices was...

I also remember my first Android and my fellow students said to me: "It will never succes" at that time most people did have Symbian or Iphone....

So lets see what happens in the future.

Anyway I have trully respect for Jolla as company and I hope they survive and grow bigger coming years.

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Jolla CTO responds to issues raised in this thread...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...34#post1390834

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Not quite, but the Nokia Play 360 and my car's handsfree equipment both work fine with it.

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If you owned an N9, is Bluetooth better in your experience? The N9 hasn't been the best at Bluetooth...

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I haven't experienced problems with Bluetooth on the N9, so I cannot compare it with Jolla. Both just work IMHO.
But I like the UI for handling Bluetooth better on the Jolla. One thing I miss on the Jolla, though, is automatically enabling Bluetooth on the phone, switching on the 360, and pairing it with the phone, all by just tapping the 360 with the N9.

Automatic pairing works. If I have Bluetooth switched on on the Jolla and enter my car, it will automatically use the handsfree equipment.

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The only purpose of all these so-called tech review sites is to track you down and sell you to anyone interested. Can you believe there are 6!!! tracking entities watching you on that page? I should say, I definitely prefer reviews from TMO folks.

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I think the use of the benchmark of "intuitive" by many reviews is deeply flawed and matters get further confused when unfamiliar is conflated with "unintuitive". The touted "intuitive" Android and IOS interfaces simply are now cognitively well-embedded so of course, they are in a sense, intuitive.

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NoScript (among others) is your friend :-)

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Let's hope that that's a feature to be added, although I am unsure as to how that will work if you have 2 RFID tags close to it (namely the other half and the speakers).

Sadly, this may not be too popular... even the Nexus 5 is much worse at NFC pairing than its predecessors.

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Can adblock plus be installed?

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Yeah, that is how I found it. But 85% of surfers out there are not aware of such tools. And I feel sorry for them.

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If anybody is surprised by The Verge and Engadget's views on the Jolla phone, I have a bridge I'll sell you as well. They were going to come with a different vantage point mostly due to being iPhone/Android users for the majority of the last 6 years.

That's the same uphill battle that folks that haven't used the N9 and saw the potential and/or change in the Harmattan UI. Now you have Sailfish, with tons of enhancements, some changes are welcome, some are challenging. Some... will probably become second nature in due time - I still double tap all of my phones without thinking.

Change can be challenging. Look at Windows Phone with their Metro look and feel. Only a few folks like it, likely none in this forum. But it's those departures that make for better discussion on how it was done before, how it's being changed and how it'll get better.

Anyway, let's not bicker about the folks that think differently or only see things through tainted lenses. That was invariably going to happen. It's just a criticism in some cases, lesser informed than you'd probably like.

But that's how products can get better. And this discussion shows how varied users even within this community may be. I'm enjoying it, thoroughly.

back to lurking...

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The N9 has virtually non-working BT/WLAN coexistance. And possibly a too small buffer for AdvAudio profile.

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What is your point? Mine is simple, if your car had anti lock brakes than all the new cars will have that feature. Otherwise no one will buy it. Jolla phone as it stands, is a developer device, not for mass consumption.

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Yup. Or Gnome 3. or Unity. Etc. Same old. Change is destabilising, for a while and then recombinative later. Sadly, philosophical veritude is not a strong point of IT reviewers.

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On a slower system it is crucial to allow the loading of web pages in the background and not force the user to wait.

Untill this issue has been fixed we could multitask between Firefox, Jolla Browser and Chrome for Android?
Is Firefox at least keeping opened tabs in cache?

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In watching Engadget's video, I think we find exactly what's happening. There's a different - probably one could use the term evolved - perspective towards gestures that Jolla has taken that is indeed pushing the "pictures under glass" metaphor a lot further than some can be comfortable with. Part of that is a given due to how new it is, but another part of that is that there are expectations towards computing which might feel simple, but are probably so learned that they are harder to divorce from than they are to just be taught (Ars had a piece on this wise today).

The challenge in the UI, that was actually well spoken in the video - and that Ive's iteration of iOS7 has narrowly missed - is that because of the task-first methods of interaction that mobiles have done for so long, its very hard to do an interaction model that plays in space just as much as it plays *for* a task. That's a mental hurdle that's easy peasy to those who deal with assistive technologies often, less so for those persons who see their base technology uses as not being assistive at all, but being normal. Blackberry could have gone further and it would have been a similar reaction - even with the messaging-then-gesturing approach.

Refinement so far with Sailfish means to make it look/act like what I remember that it should be. Shame we forget what machines do to teach us, because we'd have a different perspective of this and other experiments (that aren't copies of the things we've learnt - FirefoxOS, Ubuntu Mobile, etc.).

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Yes, it can be installed but I'm not sure if it works correctly. Test results were inconclusive. I haven't used Adblock plus before.

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Just open heavy ad-filled site, do they still show up? suddenly content takes 100% of the space? Should be really easy to discern

Edit: then again, on N900 the ABP plugin got packaged, not sure if installing it like on normal FF worked, maybe it does need some kind of packaging

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Noscript Anywhere is being developed only for Firefox mobile leaving only one viable browser on Jolla with potential instabilities and memory / battery leaking.

Would you care to list the NoScript alternatives you happen to know?
Hosts file?

Scripts:
A browser on Symbian, Minibrowser Mobile has this very useful button to enable / disable scripts from its front page.

Major comfort on mobile!

Cookies:
On N900 you could allow cookies per site on the fly. Allow never, always for this site.

Shows MicroB 's intention was not primarily to serve the trackers.

Most browsers play a double play, sadly. Boast "secure" but don't offer convenient to use security options.

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oooo Do the Android applications multitask in realtime? e.g play a youtube video in the android application and switch out. Is the video still playing?

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It seems that many sites that are ad-filled on desktop offer you only a mobile version that is totally different from the desktop version when you surf with Jolla.

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How on earth do you form that opinion when you have not even used the device?

I am not a developer and love it, it took me far longer to work out the N9 and 900.

So do us and Jolla a courtesy and reserve your statements and judgements until you have given the device a try. You never know you may just like it as much as I do:eek:

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Wait, no way to force desktop mode? This should be easily doable community tweak though (user-agent-switcher is open IIRC)

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Hey. Anyone who has enabled developer mode and use terminal. Please tell me is your terminal app backround black. I think that i changed it somehow with that example ssh. btw after factory reset its still black. and when i peek home screenit is my ambiance colour just Wondering :confused :confused:

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Not sure if you're referencing tweak by thp from 2 months ago:
thp 2 months ago
[ui] Make "fader" background black instead of white

All that is needed to give you other colour is this part of menuFingerterm.qml:

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I've had minor issues with audio on a bh-221 headset dropping out as I walk out of range of my router and again when I walk past a couple of routers on the walk to work. I hope they've fixed those kind of minor wireless interference issues.

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This was the biggest problem for me with my N9. I actually make phone calls and use a BT earpiece and if it hit any wi-fi while doing so, voice would drop. Frustrated me to new levels.

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What can jolla do for me?

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How on earth? Simple. Burned by N900 and N9. Read reviews. Same story. No difference between n9 and Jolla fiasco

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It will make you happy. New beginning.

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How strange ? You really can dismiss something without even seeing it our using it:confused:

I'll stop now as I remembered the old saying, never argue with an idiot as they will take you down to their level and beat you with experience.