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Ordered the 140€ one & spammed all appropriate communication channels with news about the Kickstarter. :D Keep up the good work! :)

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Why??? Not all fundable projects have deliverables, imagine redevelopment/reveng of n900 which is closed source and you cannot make 100% accurate guesstimate how long it will take. You can shoot for 50k, while 45k could possibly suffice, oh wait, you definitely want to play transfer my funds from that last cashier to the next as the project will go on regardless. Funding/investment because 'I believe' should not be discouraged (and yes, i'm aware of a lot of scam artists/professional victims that earn money this way to keep doing what they do, should not be a reason to stop the cool projects anyway)

And btw edit: Gratz guys! Been a while for a good project to get good funding so quickly, faith restored


EDIT: oh wow, as usually jumped to conclusion, the guy who copied over dirk's project should burn in hell, still the 'fund me without goal' option should not be dismissed,sorry

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Indiegogo used to be the only option for EU ppl, with the latest developments I guess KS allows non-US now

edit: also allows paypal vs KS :/

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Stretch goals to the rescue I hope

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KS even has a local Dutch establishment so yes, they accept EU people quite a bit.

I agree that Indiegogo is better though.

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well, he's hit his target!! It's standing at around 70+k pledged!! I know I've done my part by pledging. Would love *not* to have a wood back plate though....oh well. :)

Can't wait to get my grubby hands on it!!!!!

Ever since my N900 USB port broke, I've been surviving on touchscreen typing with my Jolla and been dreaming about a hw keyboard since I bought the phone. So close yet so far! :)

Go dirkvl!!

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77 in one day...

23 needed in 28 days

100 is the new goal ;)

All low having fruit is gone...

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The pledges just reached 600. Magnificent! :D

One thing I am worried, though;
@dirkvl, what are you going to do if the preorders run up to 10k or so?? There's absolutely no way anyone can assemble the truckload of TOHKBD's by hand... you'd need to set up a dedicated factory for that?

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With 10k preorders, he can hire people, build at a lower cost, earn a **** load of money and spend all his time to develop new funky stuff!

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First of all, congrats dirkvl!

About delivering the devices, yeah it might be worth at least to check if there is some facility that can do the soldering work. After all it's a relatively simple PCB so it doesn't require highly skilled (and expensive) operator.

On the other side, I hope Jolla supports Dirk with a few extra phones, as snapping in-and-out 600+ TOH is quite a 'stress test' ;)

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I have an image in my head. An apartment/house full of 1000 other halfs, parts everywhere and I like it. But when I think of assemble all of them I think it would be better if dirk left for some exclusive island and wasted all of the money in a week on something useless :D

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If everyone is okay with this, no biggie

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Yeah, I think Kickstarter needs an update now :D

Does injection molding enable even thinner TOHKBD?

Btw, I still would have liked a dark brown TOH, are all the colours set in stone or can there be changes? Just wonderin' :)

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thickness limit has been reached, magnets are now determining minimum thickness. if we go thinner, connection will be weaker -> not going to happen

colours are not determined by us, this is just all that is possible

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Same for me! :)

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I wonder how many orders are needed to start considering injection molding achievable. Now that's what is really exciting to me, that would result in a really high-end finish for the keyboard.

I second Droll as I'd love *not* to have a wooden back, but on the other hand I'm the one who said on KS that no changes in design should be made at this point, to avoid any delays and extra work. :D Plus if I remember correctly, Lastucase is the best robustness/thickness ratio you could achieve for this part, right Dirk?

Congratulations anyway, I did not expect such a quick success. I wonder how many of the 600 pledges are current users and how many are new on the boat.

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Could you make a high-res video showing the difference between the materials? I think I will opt for the black polished one, but I am afraid it might be "too polished" like piano lacquer? Seeing the "alumide" material in a video would also be interesting.

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check the solartoh of funkyotherhalf.com, this has pictures of exactly the colours and is made with the same base file.

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Question about the 140€/custom colour option before I pull the trigger.

Is it possible to have the OH-part and the KB-part in different colours? For example, blue OH and white keyboard.

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YES! :D

Preferences will be asked after the campaing ends, so you have some time to decide.

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Another question:
Although I've already pledged. There is one thing which I am a little bit afraid of. If I have all the time a TOH on my phone with strong magnets, aren't there any impacts to expect for the compass.

I don't mean with attached TOHKBD. That the compass can't work correctly, with these magnets around is quit clear. But I fear a little bit, that there will be eventually some parts inside which get magnetised and will irritate the compass even without THOKBD attached.

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I might be wrong but I think the internal compass in smartphones is usually not of the magnetic type, it is rather an inertial compass device. Inertial compass is not sensitive to metallic or magnetic objects nearby.

Why I suspect that; I have tried moving powerful magnets around Jolla and that did not affect the compass reading.

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Actually, you usually have both - you have mechanical accelerometers (they measure rate of acceleration and its direction) and sometimes also gyroscopes (they measure the rate & direction of rotation) but you also have the magnetic compass that measures orientation in a magnetic field. It is right that you can go an inertial compass with the help of the two above mentioned sensors, but it would accumulate errors over time and would require periodic calibration from an outside source ("north is this way!" to work correctly).

On the other hand, some compass using applications tell you to rotate the device a few times before use to improve compass accuracy. So my theory is that the compass probably measures magnetic field changes and not absolute values, so strong magnets in a constant distance from the sensors might be be an issue as long the sensor can pick up the magnetic filed changes when the device rotates.

But that's just my guess - a more detailed analysis from someone with actual relevant engineering background would be welcome! :)

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It's ok for one(me). You only have to convince the remaining 677 backers.

Btw. 12.000 left to epic number of 100.000. How is that "yeah-100K-promotion-movie-or-Other-cool-info" coming along ?

Read it as: will you have a 100K parade.

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It's slowing down though, so I think he'll have most of tomorrow to prepare.

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On the other hand, it is slowing down because there are no stretch goals ;)

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The question is how people would react IF it after 10 days arrives new cheaper perks?


10000 to go...
http://www.greatrun.org/App_files/Im...-Brad10000.jpg

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Just for clarification, does the situation with colours stay the same even if you get enough backers & money to do injection molding? I have to use all the straws, even the last one... :D

(btw I can't add "kickstarter" tag to this thread as it complains my limit is already full, I think that tag is relevant and could be of some use to some)

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I am not suggesting any cheaper perks (that wouldn't make sense), but some evaluation of options (injection molding technique) is reasonable. Of course, I am against adding unnecessary stretch goals just for the sake of adding them, but here is my reasoning for the 'the earlier stretch goals come, the better' approach:
TOHKBD is not a common KS project. Only a narrow group (Jolla owners) can buy it and those have probably already bought it. Then there's the second group of potential Jolla buyers, but those can notice the project only in the first days, when it is featured on KS (or if there's some additional media coverage, but I haven't seen much of it yet).
Therefore if you add stretch goals after 10 days or so, there is a little target audience (it might be late already).

On the other hand, I can see that Dirk might not really need to boost the number of buyers - the goal has been reached and if not some substantial outsourcing is planned, more buyers means later delivery.

I still think some 'Thank you, we have reached the goal!' update should've happened, though (as is the habit on KS).

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@nodevel: Not sure about other media, but Dutch tech site Tweakers.net mentioned the project on KS in a dedicated article 2 days ago: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/99447/ned...ckstarter.html (automatic translation: https://translate.google.nl/translat...-text=&act=url)

And FYI, Tweakers.net is a big tech site in The Netherlands so... :)

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thankyou/faq/clarification message is being drafted, but had to discuss some stuff with jolla on what&how before i can send this

stretch goals is difficult, because adding stuff like oled/qi/nfc/solar/transparentsolar (someone even requested adding all into one) will increase complexity, add risks, prolong delivery and draws attention away from priority #1: the typing experience

what i can say is that by going over the goal i can focus full-time on this project and have the ability to buy some equipment that will make future development a lot faster and a lot cheaper.

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What i would like to know:

Will this TOHKBD be compatible with the next jolla phone?

Can the 100€ discount offered by jolla also be used for purchasing their next phone?

Can a QI receiver pad be used together with the TOHKBD, or does the TOHKBD prevent the use of the jolla's power pins for anything else?
Could you maybe add a QI receiver pad as an option for the TOHKBD?

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No idea, think not

Also, no

Also -as stated in my post just above yours- no.

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Jolla gives devices after a while when all low hanging fruit is gone. Why not this project? ;)

waiting for that Surprise Perk :D

Happy Hour Perk!

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countdown perk? ;)

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Yeah, Now we're talking... Bring It! And at zero release something like this :D

http://oi59.tinypic.com/a2vxn4.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/mw4hh2.jpg

http://oi59.tinypic.com/1hoye1.jpg

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http://icdn2.digitaltrends.com/image...x667.jpg?ver=2

Get it?

You need that jacket, that dog, that phone, that KBD and that Cup with black coffee when roaming the streets with style!

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I would like to know: why did you ask this question? No one knows anything about the Jolla Phone 2 yet... no one's even sure what Jolla *might* have planned for JP2.

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I hope you'll not abandon your other projects/orders completely, because I for one ordered some funky qi/solar OHs in anticipation of the kickstarter to support you in advance. ;)