Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I already have a howto for noobs.
But I can't share the fw files though :(

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Although I think OS 2.0 is an improvement in many ways. I still think there's some way to go.
A few pains that I've found:
A lot of apps don't close when you use the in-app quit, they minimize to cover instead, but I'm guessing this could mean the app needs updating to work properly in 2.0, maybe?
Apps that run like TSR's (Terminate & Stay Resident), i.e "ScreenTapShot" leave a cover background behind when you run them.
An issue that I have noticed, not sure if anyone else has this. I can't keep ambiences that I've created despite saving them to Top Menu. I can neither find them in the ambiences settings menu and they're not on the drop down list from the downward edge swipe.
Oh, and I preferred the single downward swipe to lock the device rather than having to tap the lock bar at the top.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yes, it is part of the new functionality; if an application dies for any reason, including shutdown by user from "inside" then Lipstich has no knowledge on the reason and must assume it was killed by OOMK.

I have not looked into it but I assume there is an interface that the application could use to signal Lipsick that it would like to die, so please kill me.


I also thouht it was odd first, but now I have gotten used to it, it is pretty easy to change phone to silent and lock it via same kind of gesture.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Hi

I've been using SailfishOS 1.9 a few weeks and have many connection cuts, much more than on 1.7, sometimes i need to start and stop data connection. Anyone experimenten this or any ideas?

Thanks.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Not really. My experience is the exact opposite: network stability improved with 1.1.9.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I wonder if you're seeing other issues and this is a byproduct. Any other symptoms perhaps?

Anybody else?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I can't upgrade.

"ongelma kaupassa - kriittinen ongelma sovellusrekisterissä" (problem at the store - critical problem at the app register)

Next message: "päivityksen koon määrittely epäonnistui" (defining the size of the update failed)

Then the loading of the upgrade started, but the bar is only a few percents and nothing else happens.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Try re-entering your Jolla account credentials.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Not working. Actually I can't remove any installed software. I tried to remove Warehouse, I read somewhere that it could be problem.

Can I remove Warehouse manually or is factory reset only hope?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Maybe these instructions might have some help?
https://together.jolla.com/question/...fore-updating/
https://together.jolla.com/question/...post-id-335839

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Bad on both for me. Given Conman's general disfunctionality, unless there's an extended period of considerable improvement, I'd find it very difficult to say that it actually improved.

But at least they finally implemented browser based wifi login that works in 1.1.7 ... small victories.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

For me, it was a case of having to disconnect and connect again on my home network about every 10-15 minutes. Quite annoying and hard to forget. Since 1.1.9, I come home and spend the evening without a single loss of connectivity. I did not do anything to my home network setup, 1.1.9 is the only variable that has changed. Of course it may still be a coincidence.

What's that? If you mean the browser popping up in my pocket every time I stop to fill to fill up at Tesco, because Tesco is a remembered network going through a capture portal, then that annoys me to no end. I wish it was not there, or at least could be turned off.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

My only two issues I've experienced so far on 1.1.9 are:

1) Twice last week I have had the UI crashed by Jolla Store. After that I have had to rebuild the application registry - which rebooted the phone. It's not predictably reproduceable. Hadn't happened before or (so far) since.

2) Twice I've had to reboot to be able to put it in airplane mode. However, both times I had tried to switch it on using the events view patch so haven't ruled out a non-standard cause. Also, it's been just before going to sleep so haven't had the time or inclination to delve into the settings. I might try and reproduce it during the day some time.

Other than that, no real issues. So all good.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Had that too. About four times in two weeks. Was happily downloading when suddenly - a popup about corrupt application registry. What does that have to do with anything? Next thing I know, all my Openrepos settings are lost, Weather forgets all stations, plus one or two other things, can't remembered what.

Cleaned up the device, rebalanced the FS, removed the battery and cleaned the contacts, only for it to happen again two days later. Either exactly the same or just a random reboot while doing something as taxing the device as taking a picture or typing an SMS response.

Eventually fixed by replacing the battery. Original, 2 years old for a new HTC Desire 310. No problems at all for over a week and counting.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

pichlo, on what trip are you?
You really replaced that user-replacable battery even Jolla told us not to do so!!!
Bad guy ;)

But honestly that thing really makes me think to return/refund ...
(not that I wouldn't have in stock already :))

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

The browser is missing the add-ons feature.

In the last few updates, I was able to install adlock and configure firefox settings using about:addons and about:config.

Now the about: page will not render in the screen format again, as it was in sailOS 1.7+, and the addons option has been deactivated.

When launching about:config, this still opens in sailfish UI but it is broken. It no longer displays all the options and when scrolling, the list view does not render leaving gaps in the config list.

I do not believe that addons have been completely disabled as HTMLEverywhere is still working.

They may have made the browser snappier, but at the loss of user control. And I am still experiencing screen tear on web pages.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I have a similar issue but with the gsm/umts data, i hace to connect and disconnect and every thing runs until next time.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Is there some patch for bringing back proper action covers like we used to have ? :c Or it is over for the best user experience on smartphone ? ;x Horizontal orientation is also so androidish .... :(

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

That's funny, that is exactly what I thought about the forced portrait orientation. But then, I came to Jolla from the best of the best, the glorious N900.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

That's not really the same issue I had. It was opening the store app, and stuff like the weather wasn't affected. Not sure about the OpenRepos stuff as those repos get lost every now and then - though it could be the utilities fixing the registry that does that, I've not checked as it's only just occurred to me.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I have n900 for about 5 years and bought a second one recently but there is a difference in feeling of fremantle. I mean you have physical qwerty and whole device is like a mini tablet (that was original style ) gsm options still feel much more like additional function then main goal of the device (I mean common no official MMS support in 2009 ? Still no Sim tools, no video call etc ) its not really a problem to use it as daily phone but Jolla is something else.
Its a modern smartphone and every big OS out there have horizontal orientation (or maybe I missed something ). Jolla felt different sticking to the rule "Simply the best " I can try to live, somehow, with horizontal Sailfish 2.0 but this new active covers will be real pain...
I saw one patch changing active covers from taping buttons back to swiping (up and down if I remember correctly ) but even if whole Os is now horizontal I still would like to try having them as they ware original designed .


@pichlo

Did you bought polarcell akku for htc desire ? Im still wating (a week already) for one of those ;x I will check how it works :)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Isn't complete support for landscape orientation coming in next update? Or have I misunderstood something?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

landscape you mean horizontal ? when you swipe from right to left or left to right of course, not like it was in vertical orientation from down to up ? Or I just simpy cant understand what support you are talking about ;x

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

No, just this one. Been using it on and off for about two months, permanently for the last 10 days. So far so good. No random reboots or other misbehaviour where I had a case at least twice a week before.

Oh, I see. You did not make it very clear. I also thought you were talking about the orientation.
I must say, I find the new UI much more intuitive. I am quite flexible and could go back if I had to but I would prefer not to.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I saw this battery replacement suggestion too but after this article http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2015...for-jolla.html I ordered Polarcell so time will show if that was good decision :)
and I had used the very same word describing new ui orientation that is mention in official jolla changelog and many times alongside active covers topics on together jolla. Anyway thats to much ad roid ( you see what I did here ;> ) alike for me. Sailfish is going away from "simply the best " rule thats my feelings about 2.0 ;x and I saw that mem about patches and it would be great if there were actually patches for every annoying changes. Thats why I had voted up idea that those changes to active covers would be optionable not mandatory but without success :( as you can see, so only hope in patch manager ...

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Had an awkward thing with bluetooth today..

I was listening to music on headset via A2DP when suddenly the connection dropped. reconnect did not work.
looking into Bluetooth Settings i had no "known devices" anymore where i had 10 configured prior to the incident.

Anyone had that before? I filed a TJC Question.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Im very repetitive, i know it, but im still with my problems of loss of connection with 1.1.9, after uninstall/install some apps like whatsapp or sailgram i have the same problem, i dont know what to do, factory reset?... any ideas?

Thanks.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Confirming the Polarcell battery option to be just excellent. Tried it in my jeans pocket for about 1 month and so far no overheating :cool:

Here is some hope to cling on to:

Jolla's annoncement for Sailfish for 2.0 on the Phone:

https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-os-2-0-now-available/

It seems like work in progress because they promise this but not deliver (yet).

"More personalization

There are now even more options enabling you to personalize the phone according to your needs. One example is defining the behavior of the top edge swipe gesture: you can choose to keep it as an ambience switcher or change it to close apps directly with one top swipe (like before)."




For a gesture based OS I would expect the now surprisingly empty menu item “Settings / Gestures” to get gradually filled with other examples during the next upcoming updates:

Other example is defining the behavior of cover action gestures: you can choose to keep them as single button tap action or change them to swipe actions with multiple functions depending on different swipe directions (like before)

Other example 2 is defining the horizontal edge swipe action gestures: you can choose to keep them to access the events view carousel wise from left and right or you can assign them to another action or pane which you prefer: ambiances (like before), application & favorite actions grid or the new most recently used favorites & actions panel.

Other example 3 is defining the favorite applications list: you can choose to keep no favorites at all on the lower row or you can change this to always display your favorite 4 icons (like before) or alternatively to tap or mini swipe to bring the favorites row up for a user defined time.

Other example 4 is defining the top bar information display: you can choose to keep the information about time, network and battery visible on top of the display or if you prefer the minimalist style you can change this information to be visible in the respective active app covers (like before). By the way, check out the new possible cover interactions on the minimized settings application cover which allow you to quickly control your on/off type favorite shortcuts such as network or internet sharing.

Other example 5 is defining the way the new ambiance & lock display pull menu works: you can choose to pull -> hold finger over your choice -> release finger to activate your choice.
or you can choose to keep it as pull –> release –> tap to activate your choice (like before).

Other example 6 is defining the way active cover information is being displayed: you can choose for a more graphical, colorful option or you can choose for mini icons with life information (like before) or a combination of both.
Note that every application has now a settings menu where you can configure the cover functionality to your desire.

Other example 7 is defining the way application grid scrolls: horizontally or both horizontally and vertically or only vertically (like before)

Other example 8 is defining the way for arranging application grid covers positions: latest opened last and fixed position or latest opened / used first and rotating (like before).
And the way to move them around is also more flexible: long tap then drag and drop or long tap –> release -> then drag and drop (like before) or alternatively two finger swap on same display area.
Also you can now define the maximum number cover columns and / or displays.

Other example 9 is defining the way the remorse timer works: stepped countdown with large cancel sign or minimalist, smooth stepless countdown (like before).
The countdown time is now also user definable.

etc...

It is really not that hard to be unlike Apple if your marketing promise is not something unachievable like "More personalization".

I am not saying Sailfish 2.0 is bad but the world hasn't even seen Sailfish 1.0 yet so there is no tiredness and need for update.

Only lack of incentive to try it and recommend it to a friend / business.

And those reasons will come from continuous fine-tuning and adding of features under the hood!

Jolla should move fast to change "if I want to run Android apps I 'd buy an Android" to "for those reasons and (security) features Sailfish is becoming the platform of choice to run your Android applications on" to finally eliminate the pressing need for Android application compatibility.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Wouldn't a better test be to try it in your phone?



:p:D

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Hahah true, but that would be stage 2, soon, in about 2 more months, -- I am for proper benchmarking, you know :D

On a serious note , in real life "torture" scenario's I've got nothing to complain about this Polarcell battery solution for Jolla the first one phone. Thanks for nothing Jolla!

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

stephan what do u mean?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

You mean, about that battery? People were asking in this thread about replacement battery performance. I am confirming that indeed, this plan has worked out very positive during one month of daily testing.
(mostly running SFOS 1.1.7.28 though), see link for details shop.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=151

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

@ ste phan
!!!!!!!!! If its true, I will wait patiently before updating :D I'm more than happy :D Can we estimate when we can expect it to be released ? :>
Polarcell is working great so far ^^ and Im a little bit surprised because CSD tool shows me battery temperature so what was that all about, Can you Confirm that with your device ? :)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

According to this TJC reply, the wrong temperature reading is expected:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...post-id-114108

EDIT: Although I cannot confirm it. CSD show 26°C for mine, about as expected.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I didn't say browser based wifi login worked properly. Just that it worked on some level. For me too it constantly logs out and then prompts you to log back in - on the same networks as Android and Ubuntu Phone work fine.

On another note, I had to upgrade to 1.1.9 from 1.1.7 as it seemed to be stuck in a constant loop of closing all apps as soon as I opened WhatsApp or one browser tab. Workflow is so god damned slow in 1.1.9 with all the features and UI elements that were stripped out. I hate it more with each passing day.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Hi, its showing me in battery csd test 3x pass with voltage, energy and health and now for instance Temperature is 25,8 so its about right they maybe changed something in the battery hardware because I think its working good :)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Well, Sailfish is over for me for now. Maybe for good. I can't live with 1.1.9 ... aside from just making everything slower and more ponderous due to removal of elements of the UI, it's totally unusable for me. The pulley menu (on both my phones) causes the phone to full freeze for 40-60 seconds every time it's used ... unless you say yes to the prompt saying the app in question is not responding and close it ... but then you can never use the pulley menus. It can't be used as a phone or communication device or even a toy. Also, the keyboard is back to crashing constantly in Alien Dalvik (this time with a new error - "remote keyboard has disconnected / stopped working"). All the recent Sailfish upgrades have made the phone and OS less and less usable for me, and increased instability and freezes.

I would say I'd be back with 1.2.x if it fixes things, but chances are slim I suspect.

I think this is so long and thanks for all the fish.

Good luck to those who choose to persist.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

@bluefoot,
Something must be wrong with your unit. Clean it up, check and/or re-balance your FS, try a new battery...
I have not seen a keyboard freeze for months. I have not seen pulley menus freeze ever.
I have had a few random reboots recently but a new battery proved that the timing alignment with 1.1.9 was a coincidence.

Regarding the UI update... you cannot win them all. Some like the vicar, others prefer his maid, as my late grandfather used to say. You see a lot of whinging on the topic, coming mostly from the die-hard fanboys. I would never have expected it from you. I myself miss some featrues but find the new UI much more intuitive and easier to use in general. I am sure it will shake up eventually.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Both units do it. One a first one. One from the final Spring'14 batch. It isn't a coincidence. They both freeze in the middle of extremely slow flash of the pulley selection. One has nothing on it. The other is my daily phone. The keyboard crash is in Alien Dalvik only (where the KB crashed more than in SF previously), but habitual.

I didn't criticise UI changes prior to using it, unlike others. Partly because it was impossible to discern much, as Jolla refused to put any footage out. Partly because I wanted to try it first. I did however use every swipe available all the time, and every shortcut. Some people are fairly slow and ponderous at using their phones. I'm not. May have made the OS easier for first time (and I mean very first time) users, but it's also made a slow OS even slower.

I'm not farting around anymore. It's a total waste of time and there's no evidence of improvement.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I had that issue, fortunately a reboot fixed it.