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nthn 2017-07-12 11:37
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
That is great news.

NX500 2017-07-12 18:25
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Classic half assed sony.

pichlo 2017-07-12 21:37
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@NX500, your signature. N9 32GB? Really? I thought they came only in 16 and 64.

Jedibeeftrix 2017-07-13 08:17
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
does the jolla-answers thread about a raft of new translations around security and lock screen suggest that the figerprint reader in the xperia X may well be enabled in sailfish?

NX500 2017-07-13 08:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1530568)
@NX500, your signature. N9 32GB? Really? I thought they came only in 16 and 64.
It's a super rare, super special N9. :D

fixed it

Jedibeeftrix 2017-07-13 09:12
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p.s. I've received my Used-Like-New XperiaX for £190 from Amazon and I have to say I'm impressed.

build quality is very nice, and 5" fullHD is still the best trade-off between screen real-estate and comfort of one handed use. My Huweeieiae P8 with a 5.2" screen has been great, but bezel size notwithstanding I think this is the limit for me.

endless amount of xperia/android updates, but now on 7.1.1+.

really quite like the fingerprint reader embedded in the power button, perfect for my middle finger holding the phone left-handed as I am want to do.

benny1967 2017-07-13 09:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1530584)
endless amount of xperia/android updates, but now on 7.1.1+.
I'm about to throw the damned thing away because of thes updates. Update, re-boot, update, re-boot, update... It's bee like that since yesterday evening, I haven't been able to use the phone att all.

mosen 2017-07-13 09:41
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1530585)
I'm about to throw the damned thing away because of thes updates. Update, re-boot, update, re-boot, update... It's bee like that since yesterday evening, I haven't been able to use the phone att all.
Same when i started up Moto Z the first time. And we laugh about Jolla update cascade after flash, guess its another "the grass is greener" circumstance.

Fingerprint sensor is also present on Z and i grew to like it. I hope the data is stored locally on the phone :D

Jeffrey04 2017-07-13 09:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1530585)
I'm about to throw the damned thing away because of thes updates. Update, re-boot, update, re-boot, update... It's bee like that since yesterday evening, I haven't been able to use the phone att all.
just as painful if u ever factory reset a jolla and running through all the updates again

jukk 2017-07-13 09:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1530585)
I'm about to throw the damned thing away because of thes updates. Update, re-boot, update, re-boot, update... It's bee like that since yesterday evening, I haven't been able to use the phone att all.
That's very annoying, indeed.

If you want to backup the Sony DRM keys before unlocking the phone (they will be lost after unlocking), do it before upgrading to Android 7.

What is amazing is that all needed tools were available for desktop linux. The DRM backup (backupTA based on DirtyCow!) and flash tool. I used Android SDK tools to unlock it using Sony's instructions and then install TWRP and a custom ROM. I'm happy because I don't have a Windows PC available.

Jedibeeftrix 2017-07-13 10:02
Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1530585)
I'm about to throw the damned thing away because of thes updates. Update, re-boot, update, re-boot, update... It's bee like that since yesterday evening, I haven't been able to use the phone att all.
The other side of that coin is abandonware phones forever marooned on android 4.4.... ;)

benny1967 2017-07-13 11:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey04 (Post 1530588)
just as painful if u ever factory reset a jolla and running through all the updates again
Not quite. On my Jolla, I see which OS Version is about to be installed. On this Xperia it's just download after download and I don't have the slightest idea if it's a new version each time or if I'm in a loop. And I don't see if the update I install was published two weeks ago (and is likely to be last in the row) or if it's from last year.

jukk 2017-07-13 13:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1530593)
Not quite. On my Jolla, I see which OS Version is about to be installed. On this Xperia it's just download after download and I don't have the slightest idea if it's a new version each time or if I'm in a loop. And I don't see if the update I install was published two weeks ago (and is likely to be last in the row) or if it's from last year.
Agree. And where are the changelogs?

LouisDK 2017-07-13 14:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jukk (Post 1530589)
That's very annoying, indeed.

If you want to backup the Sony DRM keys before unlocking the phone (they will be lost after unlocking), do it before upgrading to Android 7.

What is amazing is that all needed tools were available for desktop linux. The DRM backup (backupTA based on DirtyCow!) and flash tool. I used Android SDK tools to unlock it using Sony's instructions and then install TWRP and a custom ROM. I'm happy because I don't have a Windows PC available.
Can't you backup the DRM keys after upgrading to Android 7?
And if you can't can you downgrade to Android 6 and back them up then?

jukk 2017-07-13 15:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1530611)
Can't you backup the DRM keys after upgrading to Android 7?
And if you can't can you downgrade to Android 6 and back them up then?
The current backup tool uses an exploit in Android 6 (the infamous Dirty Cow). According to the guide that I partly followed, you will be able to downgrade: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...ria-x-t3590476

jukk 2017-07-13 15:28
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I expect this won't be much of a problem for me, because I don't care about DRM (and TrackID). But I backed up the DRM anyway if I have to restore it when selling the phone or something.

lantern 2017-07-14 12:05
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I see some custom kernels with "DRM fix" available for Android on xda.
Seems like they revert full camera quality even with unlocked BL.

PS I'm gonna test it myself in a couple of days, but people say that if you flash dual-sim F5122 with android fw from F5121, then F5122 will work and behave like F5121 except with 64GB ROM.

lantern 2017-07-15 15:52
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I've just checked. After flashing F5121 fw of Android 6.0.1 on my dual-sim F5122 it successfully booted up, showing its model as F5121. With 1 SIM card slot, and 32 GB (and not 64GB!) of storage.

So if Jolla doesn't change anything, Sailfish should probably work on dual-sim Xperia X as is.
Although I'm eager to get Sailfish with dual-sim support on F5122.

LouisDK 2017-07-15 16:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1530706)
I've just checked. After flashing F5121 fw of Android 6.0.1 on my dual-sim F5122 it successfully booted up, showing its model as F5121. With 1 SIM card slot, and 32 GB (and not 64GB!) of storage.

So if Jolla doesn't change anything, Sailfish should probably work on dual-sim Xperia X as is.
Although I'm eager to get Sailfish with dual-sim support on F5122.
Maybe the fw for F5121 have fixed standard partitions for 32 GB rom which can be manually enlarged if installed on a F5122?

Dave999 2017-07-15 18:17
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So have this so called sailfish reached this kind of betaGroup?

virgi26 2017-07-15 19:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1530706)
I've just checked. After flashing F5121 fw of Android 6.0.1 on my dual-sim F5122 it successfully booted up, showing its model as F5121. With 1 SIM card slot, and 32 GB (and not 64GB!) of storage.

So if Jolla doesn't change anything, Sailfish should probably work on dual-sim Xperia X as is.
Although I'm eager to get Sailfish with dual-sim support on F5122.
o hey man! This is some good news. Could you share a short guide with some links to firmware, please?

nieldk 2017-07-15 19:08
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Firmware is here

https://xpericheck.com/device/F5121

You can use flashtool

https://sourcey.com/flash-android-sony-xperia-on-linux/

Ps: flashtool can also download the firmware

m4r0v3r 2017-07-16 14:43
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got me one, 32gb should be reet for it?

aspergerguy 2017-07-16 18:01
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2 Attachment(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1530711)
Goes without saying that you will need to grab Service Exchange Unit firmware 34.0.A.1.264 to downgrade to Android 6.0.1 if you intend using DirtyCow exploit to backup DRM prior to unlocking bootloader.


Attachment 39442

Attachment 39443

Information upon downgrading and restoring TA Backup in this resource:https://forum.xda-developers.com/xpe...to-mm-t3550466

romu 2017-07-17 07:33
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Hello, please be kind if this seems stupid but why downgrading to Android 6? Because Sailfish can't be installed on 7?

nieldk 2017-07-17 07:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by romu (Post 1530756)
Hello, please be kind if this seems stupid but why downgrading to Android 6? Because Sailfish can't be installed on 7?
That, and the dirtycow exploit needed to keep DRM keys backup doesnt work with Nougat

lbee 2017-07-17 09:15
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Hello,
Just get a used Xperia X today around 200$ in my country (VN). After upgrade-loop, it now on 7.1.1. I dig around internet for offical 6.0.1 ROM but couldnot find version for my country (1302-3377 VN). So please help me clear:
1. Can I use ROM version from other country like HK or TW for my VN phone
2. Do I really need backup DRM keys, what happend if dont have these keys? I see someone post that it need when I resell this phone, but I dont have plan to resell any phone of mine (I still keep 1 N900, 4 N9s in my collection)
Thank you.

r0kk3rz 2017-07-17 09:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lbee (Post 1530760)
2. Do I really need backup DRM keys, what happend if dont have these keys? I see someone post that it need when I resell this phone, but I dont have plan to resell any phone of mine (I still keep 1 N900, 4 N9s in my collection)
Thank you.
It's up to you, but once those keys are gone you cannot go back to 'full factory' the same as it was out of the box, those protected functions are lost forever.

Jedibeeftrix 2017-07-17 09:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1530757)
That, and the dirtycow exploit needed to keep DRM keys backup doesnt work with Nougat
forgive me, why does this drm key thing matter?

surely we will receive an officially supported image/installer, and we will be able to officially install it. what need for DRM keys...

should I care that i have updated my xperia X to 7.1.1+?

nh1402 2017-07-17 09:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1530762)
forgive me, why does this drm key thing matter?

surely we will receive an officially supported image/installer, and we will be able to officially install it. what need for DRM keys...
Well for one the slo-mo feature is lost once DRM keys are lost.

The Bravia screen tech is also lost.

EDIT: the camera quality also takes a nose dive.

BluesLee 2017-07-17 09:53
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Did Jolla mentioned anywhere an update regarding their time table for the initial release? I only read that Q&A is done by some community beta testers. I wrote them an email to be eligible as such a tester but apparently they don't like me;-)

maximilian1st 2017-07-17 09:55
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A link with information about the DRM issue.
https://www.xda-developers.com/resto...locked-xperia/

kinggo 2017-07-17 10:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nh1402 (Post 1530763)
Well for one the slo-mo feature is lost once DRM keys are lost.

The Bravia screen tech is also lost.
But that won't work on sailfish anyway I think. And I ditched all that on my tablet a looong time ago and I can't say that I miss bravia or anyhing else.

Feathers McGraw 2017-07-17 10:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1530766)
But that won't work on sailfish anyway I think. And I ditched all that on my tablet a looong time ago and I can't say that I miss bravia or anyhing else.
Yes but if you sell it, the buyer may want those features.

aspergerguy 2017-07-17 11:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lbee (Post 1530760)
Can I use ROM version from other country like HK or TW for my VN phone
You could use 1304-5672 Service Exchange Unit 34.0.A.1.264 to downgrade to 6.0.1 then revert to your Country Customisation upon Nougat.

romu 2017-07-17 15:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kinggo (Post 1530766)
But that won't work on sailfish anyway I think. And I ditched all that on my tablet a looong time ago and I can't say that I miss bravia or anyhing else.
But when you look at the huge differences of the photos taken with and without the Bionx engine, I would enjoy keeping this Bionx improvement.

elastic 2017-07-17 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by romu (Post 1530772)
But when you look at the huge differences of the photos taken with and without the Bionx engine, I would enjoy keeping this Bionx improvement.
But that won't be there on Sailfish anyway or did I miss something and Jolla licensed it ....

taixzo 2017-07-17 17:18
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It would be nice to have them there if it turns out we can dual-boot.

TMavica 2017-07-18 08:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by taixzo (Post 1530774)
It would be nice to have them there if it turns out we can dual-boot.
Maybe ubiboot ?
@juiceme possible?

juiceme 2017-07-18 12:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TMavica (Post 1530783)
Maybe ubiboot ?
@juiceme possible?
Could be possible, depends on the boot loader type and functionality.
I have to confess I have not done work on android device bootstraps so cannot say without looking into it.


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