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@Lumiaman

Nokia announced in SEPT 2010 the appointment of an ex MICROSOFT director to CEO.

Instead of the internal one who supported QT, Symbian, Maemo/Meego etc.

DEC 2010 mainstream companies deploying Symbian announce they will stop supporting it!

Hmmm .... coincidence?

Are you really saying that the strategists from some of the best tech industries on the planet wouldn't be able to spot what was coming next?

They didn't jump ship because Symbian was dying, they jumped ship becuase the 8th largest shareholder from Microsoft was appointed to Nokia CEO and it was obvious he was always going to choose the Windows platform.

rgds

Samsung made announcements to abandon Symbian almost a year before Elop was appointed, November in 2009, and you can bet that this announcement was in planning for several years, i.e., ever since iphone and android came out. If you think that somehow the search for new CEO at NOKIA made them make this decision, you are likely very wrong.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/20...martphone-os/1

They knew it was a dying platform and clearly did the best by ditching the dinosaur early and looking for alternatives. Samsung ultimately jumped on Android bandwagon, while Symbian apologists within NOKIA made them hold on for much longer......unfortunately for NOKIA

uTMY	2013-08-06 12:20

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@Lumiaman

True to type you are wrong again.

That was a review of Samsung adding Linux to their product line.

The reviewer surmises Samsung will remove Symbian and Windows but neither of these forward looking statements was an announcement of intent by Samsung until DEC 2010

clutching at straws?

http://web.archive.org/web/201010020...essageId=99534

You will note this announcement did not exist prior to Oct 2nd 2010

I guess that makes you the revisionist after all ... no surprise there then.

rgds

Lumiaman

2013-08-06 12:24

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1365223)

@Lumiaman

True to type you are wrong again.

That was a review of Samsung adding Linux to their product line.

The reviewer surmises Samsung will remove Symbian and Windows but neither of these forward looking statements was an announcement of intent by Samsung until DEC 2010

clutching at straws?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/...drops-symbian/

rgds

Did you read the whole article? No wonder you misinform.

"The move will see Samsung abandon Nokia's Symbian platform entirely, and reduce its use of Microsoft's Windows Mobile platform to just 20 percent of its handsets by 2012."

uTMY	2013-08-06 12:28

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@Lumiaman

A reviewer who doesn't work for Samsung theorises

"The move will see Samsung"

He is guessing and surmising on one possible outcome.

No facts to see here!

Move along.

No wonder you are clueless.

rgds

ps. Here is Samsungs actual announcement

http://web.archive.org/web/201010020...essageId=99534

I will leave reading the date to you unless you need some help with that.

Lumiaman

2013-08-06 12:34

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1365226)

Not guessing, here is another, presumably from the VP himself as quoted in 2009, 2009, 2009, that symbian is being phased out:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/s...ays-senior-vp/

Move along

No wonder you are clueless

Lumiaman

2013-08-06 12:37

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1365226)

Here is another in:

Samsung to drop Symbian support, keep WinMo
Written by Andre Yoskowitz @ 11 Nov 2009 14:19 User comments (3)

Samsung to drop Symbian support, keep WinMo Last week we reported the rumor of Samsung preparing to phase out the Windows Mobile smartphone OS while at the same time increasing usage of Android and Bada.
Company senior vice president Don Joo Lee is saying however, that WinMo is here to stay, and it is instead the Symbian OS which will be completely dropped, mainly to the advantage of Bada, Samsung's new proprietary OS.

The change will take place starting in 2010, with the Omnia HD being the last phone to incorporate the OS.

Lee says he expects total Samsung shipments to increase to 220 million units in 2010 and the company will "continue to strengthen its deployment in HD displays, high performance CPUs and LTE technology for handsets."

switch-hitter

2013-08-06 12:38

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365208)

The board members are usually highly accomplished individuals who probably carried iPhones and androids in their pockets and wanted Nokia to abandon dinosaur platforms. They chose correctly. The only thing that is growing are lumias

I hope one day it will come to light why the board allowed Microsoft's Trojan horse through the gate and why they continue to support a strategy that has so comprehensively failed.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Have you ever heard someone telling you to focus on one thing well and do it well? Pre-Elop Nokia was unfocused with too many OSs, and to little attention to good software solutions. That is what drove iOS and android ahead. Complete focus on one OS and good execution. Nokia had interesting plans with too many OSs and little focus. That soekked disaster in inferior products such as n9, n8 and n900. The concepts were good, but the OS were just not well baked. Elop had to restructure them into a completely different company.

Samsung have numerous OSs and they continue to trounce NOKIA. Samsung are the yardstick by which Elop's performance should be measured.

Elop has been an unmitigated disaster for NOKIA but I'm sure he doesn't give a flying firkin about that because everything he does he does for Microsoft.

How the heck can NOKIA produce such nice hardware and yet have such a low gross margin, low ASP and low volume? It's obviously because of the OS, not even the almighty Samsung can make that stinker sell. You could put any alternative OS on the Lumias - MeeGo, Sailfish, Symbian, Android, WebOS and they'd sell better than they do now.

Now is the time NOKIA need to focus on a 'good software solution', Windows Phone clearly isn't it. They need to dump that fugly OS and the toxic Microsoft partnership and give the world a reason to buy NOKIA again.

Lumiaman

2013-08-06 12:44

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1365231)

I hope one day it will come to light why the board allowed Microsoft's Trojan horse through the gate and why they continue to support a strategy that has so comprehensively failed.

Samsung have numerous OSs and they continue to trounce NOKIA. Samsung are the yardstick by which Elop's performance should be measured.

Samsung used other's OSs, except for insignificant Bada. They only manufactured devices for the most part. They didnt have any romantic attachments to this or that OS. NOKIA thought they could be software produces. Sure they can, but inferior to iOS and Android, and WP8 for a matter of fact and user experience

Elop has been an unmitigated disaster for NOKIA but I'm sure he doesn't give a flying firkin about that because everything he does he does for Microsoft.

I would say that pre-Elop era was success until the introduction to iphone and from then on it went downhill. Unlike Samsung that was not wedded to a single OS, they stuck with Symbian and other dinosaur platforms for too long

How the heck can NOKIA produce such nice hardware and yet have such a low gross margin, low ASP and low volume? It's obviously because of the OS, not even the almighty Samsung can make that stinker sell. You could put any alternative OS on the Lumias - MeeGo, Sailfish, Symbian, Android, WebOS and they'd sell better than they do now.
Its called brutal competition. The days of NOKIA being alone and this field is over.

Now is the time NOKIA need to focus on a 'good software solution', Windows Phone clearly isn't it. They need to dump that fugly OS and the toxic Microsoft partnership and give the world a reason to buy NOKIA again.

And what would you suggest they do? Go Android? Be mEEEEEE TOOOOOO

uTMY	2013-08-06 12:46

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@Lumiaman

All these stem from this unsubstantiated editorial

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091111PD205.html

Where Don Joo Lee is reported to have said "MAY" not roll out anymore Symbian phones.

Funny how the internet rumor mills get read as facts by revisionists to suit their own ends.

rgds

Samsungs actual announcement (and therefore actual decision) is a matter of record and I provided that to you.

Captured clearly on the wayback machine.

Even you cannot try to claim they went back in time and published it earlier.

Lumiaman

2013-08-06 12:53

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1365233)

@Lumiaman

All these stem from this unsubstantiated editorial

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091111PD205.html

Where Don Joo Lee is reported to have said "MAY" not roll out anymore Symbian phones.

Funny how the internet rumor mills get read as facts by revisionists to suit their own ends.

rgds

Samsungs actual announcement is a matter of record and I provided that to you.

Captured clearly on the wayback machine.

Even you cannot try to claim they went back in time and published it earlier.

The rumor was correct, and these decisions are made well ahead of time. You should know that if you ever manufactured anything in your life. You plan years ahead what you will produce. So the stories that were written by multiple outlets in nov of 2009, were verified when Samsung officially stopped the production.

But why do i have to explain this all to you. Are you this backward in your analysis?

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