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Good article. I have two questions:
1. When will Nokia replace the current CEO
2. Will it be already too late?

Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 

Dude! Nokia only JUST got him! They're still paying just the interest on that loan! I suspect that if it isn't too late, that window is very, very rapidly closing. I could imagine how it might turn around very quickly, but it's highly unlikely that business executives, who are getting paid handsomely in any circumstance, are going to be willing to do anything that might make them look foolish or admit they had been wrong, even when they're finally doing the right things now. What I'm saying is, despite all this talk about how they're a Finnish company and how the Finns are very humble and their corporate culture is so very different--when it comes down to it, they operate just like every other company in the world. I dare them to be different and prove me wrong but, disappointingly, I'm sure I won't be.

Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 

ad 1) Not before Microsoft replaces Ballmer (not one game changing innovation from this company, just playing catch up over the last years, but doing this still better than Nokia nonetheless)
ad 2) Probably, for both companies

Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 

re 1: I give Ballmer more slack because at least he keeps MS stable and profitable.

Elop on the other hand was brought in to turn around Nokia's fortunes. And, well, he singlehandedly destroyed 40% of Nokia's value within the last 5 months. Good job, indeed.

That's, by the way, cBeam's "oh s**t" moment for Elop.

Re: Elops oh s**t moment for Meego
 

we are all waiting for nokia
and
they
are
a joke.
msgend

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Well, first of all, Qt is anything but new. It's an existing, cross platform... platform... developed by Qt Software / Trolltech.There's no challenges in cross platform that Qt hasn't already lived with since the dawn of the IT era (1994, to be more precise). They were bought up by Nokia 2008/2009 and since then Qt has been adapted by Nokia. Till just now. We do know where they're going now, though - Nokia is dividing it up; "Nokia said it would sell the commercial licensing business of Qt to Digia PLC on March 2011".

The Qt strategy was a good one. However, they pulled the plug before they even started to sell the idea to Symbian or multiplatform developers, so it never got tested in real life. I doubt that the Qt strategy would/could have done anything good about the inherited flaws in Symbian, but it would do very much for the applications on top of Symbian (and thus, MeeGo).

Second, there's a whole lot to be said about Sun/Java's implementation of "cross platform". That does not mean that everybody else would take the same route of cross platform not being cross platform at all.

The "Write once and run anywhere" strategy has made Windows the most used operating systems throughout time. Some applications from MS DOS will still work with Windows 7, applications will work across virtualbox on cell phones, servers, tablets, tabletPCs, netbooks, pretty much any computer made after the given software were created. Oh, and while Sun may have stumbled, Android is nothing but a virtualization motor made in a rip-off copy of Java. So, I think the whole Write once and run anywhere strategy can work very well, thank you vely mush.

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I don't think you understand what "write once, run anywhere" means. :P You appear to be confusing that with "backwards compatibility". The idea that Java was trying to promote was LITERALLY the idea of writing an application on any type of OS or architecture, then running that software on any other type of OS or architecture--even in its own era, even without hardware emulation. I dare you to show me a DOS program running on your N900 without a whole emulated BIOS with an emulated PC environment (like DOSbox, bochs, or VMware). Java CAN be made to run on your N900 using a far simpler vm that runs closer to the OS without the need to emulate a whole other architecture down to the BIOS and hardware.

You further neglected to notice that many older Windows apps can't actually run in newer Windows operating systems without some sort of emulated legacy support. i.e. newer apps take advantage of newer API/architectures, while older apps need to have specific legacy support in the newer Windows--which is why MANY apps written even for something as recent as Windows XP would NOT run in Windows Vista or Windows 7. Why do you think MANY companies refused to upgrade? They weren't being cheap--they were being compatible with the software they depend on.

I agree that "write once, run anywhere" is a great idea and a potentially successful way to operate--but as the two examples you gave (Sun with Java and Android with Dalvik) point out, there is more to success than simply that method alone. Support counted for a lot. Sun shunned many partners while Android welcomed everyone. Nokia has done far worse by shunning not only partners but also customers. To quote the movie Tropic Thunder, "You NEVER go full retahd."

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Also, incredibly... I can't believe this board is censoring a perfectly normal, long lived and not even a dirty English word. :P
http://www.merriam-webster.com/d%69c...y/re%74%61r%64

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problem with strategy they killed symbian and they didnt test the water.

lets be honest HTC and samsung both have wp7 for a good time and their android siblings sell ALOT Better.
only reason the didnt test android too probably no one will buy wp7 version.


nokia dropping symbian for wp7 its like microsoft killing windows 7 for meego because android/iOS running the market.

regarless windows is a BAD OS, it have huge userbase that couldn't be ignore.

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I'm not expert on QT but yes it's been around for a long time. Where is this mature / evolved / pervasive and all expansive ecosystem that has changed and revolutionized the industry. They haven't. I mean is there even an QT Store? From what I can see they're still trying to get it to work on MeeGo, Symbian and etc. Sure components exist but while Apple is moving on to iOS 5 and daily adding to the app store, where's QT?

I don't doubt much work and technical problems were solved with QT, but the unfortunate fact is after all these years it's a non-factor and without a QT store / ecosystem (more than just being around years ago) they are for all intents and purposes brand new.

This is the problem with Nokia the past few years. They dabbled in QT, but never really committed. They dabbled in Maemo / MeeGo but never really committed. Now they finally committed to WP7. Bad choice? Too late? Maybe, but the problem is that while Nokia had great technology never utilized it. So I doesn't really matter how long it's been around. Coulda / shoulda only works for geeks. Every day customers want to see the reality not past glory and bragging rights. of who was first.

Wait, I thought this was around for years, since 1994. Oh, so they never used it. So what good is technology if it's never used. So you are basically saying though it existed it was never used so for all intents and purposes it was NEW to the industry because it was never really out there.

Just because you warmed up and sat on the bench doesn't mean you were in the game. You can't blame Elop for Nokia's failures. At least he's trying to get in the game by joining the WP team. Promises and fanciful wishing don't win games.

I subscribe to the KISS principle. QT, the one dev. platform to rule them all just was too complicated. With Symbian / MeeGo the big moving target, Nokia thought they'd succeed where Sun failed.

Years ago they had their chance. Too little too late now.

backward compatibility is not cross platform

Just because an old dos binary works in Windows 7 doesn't mean its cross platform. Look at what they had to do for XP to get XP based apps to work on Windows 7/ Vista. Show me the Dos application that runs on OSX and linux then have cross-platform.

Yes, Java but controlled without all of the problems spreading themselves out too across multiple VMs. I don't see an Android VM for iOS / Bada / WP7 / MeeGo.

Nice try but no. Still have yet to see a credible example that is successful.