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qwerty12 2008-05-29 12:27

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Well, I installed for fun...

http://i31.tinypic.com/2ng7bl0.png

qwerty. always bringing the hottest **** first. :p

yerga 2008-05-29 12:39

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Cool! Installed too. Really it works. I had a fix in my house around of trees and other buildings, in a little time.

Also it connected to 8 satellites whereas before it wasn't capable of overcoming 4.

Though it can be a placebo effect, who knows. I will continue testing it.

maba 2008-05-29 12:39

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Oh.. My.. ***king.. God... !! :eek:

Let me be the first to say that with agps-ui installed and configured, I got a fix from the satellites within seconds.. Yes, you read it right, SECONDS !! :D

Never before did I get a fix this quickly.. It always used to take several minutes..

Not any more shall I feel embarrassed before my friends when trying to get us somewhere quickly. With this, it will be quickly :p

Thanks to NOKIA who finally made this available.. Well, that, and Diablo :cool:

anidel 2008-05-29 13:20

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
At Last!
Wowo

Need to figure out the password :D

anidel 2008-05-29 13:23

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Let me recap.. it uses the AGPS info thru the cellphone connected via BT right ?
So, of course, we need AGPS support from the provider, is that correct ?

Other than that, is there any improvement in fix time?

yerga 2008-05-29 13:40

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anidel (Post 186860)
Let me recap.. it uses the AGPS info thru the cellphone connected via BT right ?
So, of course, we need AGPS support from the provider, is that correct ?

Other than that, is there any improvement in fix time?

It use AGPS with wifi. I haven't tested it with a cellphone yet. So about the provider I think isn't important.


And the fix time is faster :)
Cold fix was about 1-2 minutes.
Hot fix 30 seconds aprox.

mobiledivide 2008-05-29 13:42

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
So it looks at IP address and then uses that data? Could someone test using a mobile and report back? This would really make the GPS useful as a pedestrian.

anidel 2008-05-29 13:49

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yerga (Post 186863)
It use AGPS with wifi. I haven't tested it with a cellphone yet. So about the provider I think isn't important.


And the fix time is faster :)
Cold fix was about 1-2 minutes.
Hot fix 30 seconds aprox.

Uh, it uses WiFi ?
You know how that works ?

I am surprised.

yerga 2008-05-29 14:19

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I don't know how it works, but the two packages (closed-source, of course) that are installed are agps-ui and supl-daemon ("Package for supporting SUPL protocol").
SUPL = Secure User Plane Location

If someone knows what SUPL is, could tell us how it works.

Bundyo 2008-05-29 14:33

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Useful info here:
http://mobile.kaywa.com/location-bas...for-a-gps.html


EDIT:
BTW, after Fremantle comes Harmattan...
http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/maemo-linuxtag-update

Seems they are planning more community involvement, also taking into account Jaffa's article.

yerga 2008-05-29 14:58

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
hehe, fremantle, this time I was the first one mentioning that and not qwerty12 :)

qwerty12 2008-05-29 15:01

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yerga (Post 186893)
hehe, fremantle, this time I was the first one mentioning that and not qwerty12 :)

True :D

X-Fade mentioned it this morning on IRC (I guess you were there too) but I don't really see the point for me anyway (as I'm not interested in that sort of stuff) of posting it (for me anyway :))

rcadden 2008-05-29 15:45

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Now we just need an actually usable GPS app to take advantage of this!

Zuber 2008-05-29 17:12

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Anyone seen the "updated" Wayfinder application yet (according to 810 WiMax realse data the app is updated) ?

Perhaps that has had some real worthwhile improvements as well...

Zuber

davos1 2008-06-02 08:08

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
To make this a little more on-topic, how do you install Diablo? What is the repo password?

Bundyo 2008-06-02 08:09

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Follow the clues.

davos1 2008-06-02 08:21

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Too confusing

Gimme some clues :D

qwerty12 2008-06-02 08:28

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
They are all in this thread. I was first one to get it. I didn't need any hints.

davos1 2008-06-02 08:29

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Damn you and your hacking skills :P

luca 2008-06-02 09:27

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
No hacking skills required, everything is in plain sight ;)

davos1 2008-06-02 10:44

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Not for the dumb (Eg. ME)

Jaffa 2008-06-02 12:01

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davos1 (Post 187911)
Not for the dumb (Eg. ME)

That's the point. To be blunt, no-one wants people who can't figure it out using diablo at this point.

Personally, I've not bothered to work it out as at the moment I want a stable device and haven't got the time to put the clues together. However, if an official beta was released, I'd (probably) try it.

Just relax - diablo will come eventually. Given Quim's crowing about not missing dates in his LinuxTag talk, within a week of the end of this month would be where I'd put my money.

spartanNTX 2008-06-02 12:43

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuber (Post 186941)
Anyone seen the "updated" Wayfinder application yet (according to 810 WiMax realse data the app is updated) ?

Perhaps that has had some real worthwhile improvements as well...

Zuber

Yes please- I am interested in this as well.

Bundyo 2008-06-02 13:57

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
I doubt the commercial repos will be updated until right before the release. There are still old versions in there.

qole 2008-06-02 23:50

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
The modest e-mail client is almost working well. That means they're getting close.

Benson 2008-06-03 00:01

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
It's working pretty well in Diablo, too... :p

solico 2008-06-03 01:16

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 188144)
The modest e-mail client is almost working well. That means they're getting close.

I envy you, even trying modest with diablo gave me the usual crashs. Said it in another forum already: right now I think I'll end up with an improved OS, but with an unusable email client.
But still, they got one month left.

GeneralAntilles 2008-06-03 01:32

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by solico (Post 188170)
I envy you, even trying modest with diablo gave me the usual crashs. Said it in another forum already: right now I think I'll end up with an improved OS, but with an unusable email client.
But still, they got one month left.

Have you filed any bugs today?

Besides, how is that any different from where we've been for the last 2 years?

Bundyo 2008-06-03 09:35

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
We will soon (22-8 in the wild, go get it while its hot :))

EDIT:

Contents:
libc6 (2.5.0-1osso9)
netbase (1:4.24.osso9)
osso-af-startup (1.57-1)
adobe-flashplayer (2.51-1)
hildon-application-manager-l10n (5.0+r6135)
hildon-common-strings-l10n (5.0+r6135)
hildon-fm-l10n (5.0+r6135)
hildon-input-method-l10n (5.0+r6135)
initfs-flasher (0.95.16-200822maemo1)
kernel-diablo-flasher (2.6.21-200822maemo2)
libsofia-sip-ua-glib3 (1.12.8-0osso5)
libsofia-sip-ua0 (1.12.8-0osso5)
mediaplayer-l10n (5.0+r6135)
operator-wizard-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-addressbook-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-applet-accounts-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-applet-bluetooth-keyboard-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-applet-certman-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-connectivity-ui-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-countries-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-games-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n (5.0+r6135)
osso-voip-ui-l10n (5.0+r6135)
telepathy-sofiasip (0.5.4-0osso7)
libgconf2-6 (2.16.0-1osso14)
libhildonwm0 (1:2.0.17-1)
libhildondesktop0 (1:2.0.17-1)
hildon-application-manager (1:2.1.11)
hildon-desktop (1:2.0.17-1)
microb-eal (0.3.7-1.15)
osso-chat-ui (2.0.68-1)
osso-clock (1.5.18-2)
osso-clock-data (1.5.18-2)
gconf2 (2.16.0-1osso14)
osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked (2008.22-8)

Correct me if i missed something.

solico 2008-06-03 11:43

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 188174)
Have you filed any bugs today?

Yeah sure. See my post.
Feel free to vote :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 188174)
Besides, how is that any different from where we've been for the last 2 years?

Well the current email client isn't perfect, but at least it does what it was advertised for. Getting emails without crashing.
Sure it's redicilous only getting the root folder of an imap mailbox without any subfolders. But still...

As I said, they got one month left, so there is still hope for me.

fiferboy 2008-06-03 13:03

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Bundyo: It looks like "map" (Wayfinder) has also been updated. It is showing version 2.2.8.421-1 available, and I have 2.2.6.377-1 installed.

I see you are using an N800, so maybe you don't have the previous version installed.

Bundyo 2008-06-03 13:22

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Yeah, i don't :)

qole 2008-06-03 18:10

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Benson (Post 188147)
[Modest is] working pretty well in Diablo, too... :p

Really? That's surprising, considering how different the two versions are. From what I hear in the breathless reviews, the Diablo Modest e-mail client is like Chinook Modest, just with special secret sauce. :p :rolleyes:

Benson 2008-06-03 18:48

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Well, when you go typing or writing a message, the input-method works a lot better...;) But I don't have the old e-mail installed, so I'm free of any interactions that may cause; that's the difference. (I think you could remove it in Chinook, but you'd have to hack the dependencies of osso-software-version-whatsit.)

Still, sarcasm fully appreciated. :D

deadmalc 2008-06-03 18:49

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Well the new map upgrade gives an new interesting splash screen - which I think looks quite nice. But it's a step in the right direction.
And the new OS update bricks my Nokia as usual, no shocker there...
Reflashing that kernel again and all is well....
http://sse2.net/rotate/

combatdoc 2008-06-03 22:48

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Question:
Will RandR be included in Diablo? I'd like RandR and if its coming shortly I'll just wait.

I have gotten kind of confused reading all the different threads.. lol.

GeneralAntilles 2008-06-03 23:43

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by combatdoc (Post 188474)
Question:
Will RandR be included in Diablo? I'd like RandR and if its coming shortly I'll just wait.

No, but applying a patched kernel is damn simple.

Official rotation support is still a long ways off for maemo.

bunanson 2008-06-03 23:43

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles (Post 185626)
Soft poweroff does not work here, no matter how I activate or deactivate it. Besides, it can't be fixed, as the version that has the fix (1.7.6) isn't in the current Diablo.

Soft poweroff works perfectly on n810/2008Os and works, sometimes strangely, on N800/2008Os. I have been using on both n8x0. I sometimes like to darken the screen without locking the screen.

bun

GeneralAntilles 2008-06-04 00:00

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bunanson (Post 188489)
Soft poweroff works perfectly on n810/2008Os and works, sometimes strangely, on N800/2008Os. I have been using on both n8x0. I sometimes like to darken the screen without locking the screen.

Well, what seems to be happening with 22-8 is that using double-press to activate it messes things up. Probably need to revise bug #2290.

Bundyo 2008-06-04 06:50

Re: What do we know about Diablo (Maemo 4.1) ?
 
There's another strange bug in Diablo (happened twice, VERY annoying), maybe even for Chinook, but never happened then.

I usually put the device in offline mode and lock it after that. In two separate unrelated occasions i wasn't able to unlock it after that - just doesn't accept the middle click and since its offline - can't check what is wrong. There are two possible fixes for this situation - to wait for it to drain the battery or to pull the battery out. VERY annoying.


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