maemo.org - Talk - Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

hstende: You can change the theming, you know. It is easier than running stuff through ssh -X.

The cool thing about running an SSH server in the chroot is that you can run your Easy Debian apps on OTHER COMPUTERS. Try running Easy Debian OpenOffice or Gimp on a full PC on the same network as the N900 by using the ssh -X technique! Very, very cool. :cool:

Just save your work frequently. ;)

qole	2010-03-01 18:31

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by fw190 (Post 551373)

I should delete the old image or it will overwrite?

fw190: I would recommend replacing the old image with the new one, so yes, use the "Close Debian" command and then delete the old image before installing the new one.

If you have installed a lot of new stuff into your image, then you'll have to do that again, and you'll have to set up your locale again too...

hstende

2010-03-01 18:43

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Is there a way to access the gps from easy debian?

rebhana

2010-03-01 19:37

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 550629)

Ok, ok, the flurry of updates is coming to an end. I think 0.9.44-1fremantle1 is going to Testing (and ten days later, to Extras).

Thank you all for your patience!

This version has the Function-keys mapped to shift-fn + top row keys (for english keyboards). Your custom .xbindkeysrc won't be overwritten, however. Look for the .xbindkeysrc.dist file after upgrade.

Having not found 0.9.44-1fremantle1 anywhere but 0.9.44-2fremantle1 on Extras-devel, I've installed the latter and looked at .xbindkeysrc.dist.

qole, as far as I can see, you've mapped shift+fn+the upper row of the German keyboard to F1-F10, because F6 is Shift+Mod5 + z as it was in my .xbindkeysrc file. I think that by using only the keycodes one can actually cover both qwerty and qwertz keyboards at the same time - and hopefully all other national variants.

Code:

# F1-F12 mapped to Shift+Mod5 + keys from upper row:



"xvkbd -text "\[F1]""

 m:0x81 + c:24



"xvkbd -text "\[F2]""

 m:0x81 + c:25



"xvkbd -text "\[F3]""

 m:0x81 + c:26



"xvkbd -text "\[F4]""

 m:0x81 + c:27



"xvkbd -text "\[F5]""       

 m:0x81 + c:28



"xvkbd -text "\[F6]""

 m:0x81 + c:29



"xvkbd -text "\[F7]""

 m:0x81 + c:30



"xvkbd -text "\[F8]""

 m:0x81 + c:31



"xvkbd -text "\[F9]""

 m:0x81 + c:32



"xvkbd -text "\[F10]""

 m:0x81 + c:33



"xvkbd -text "\[F11]""

 m:0x81 + c:59



"xvkbd -text "\[F12]""

 m:0x81 + c:22

qole	2010-03-01 19:42

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

rebhana: good catch. I changed the "comma" but I missed the "z". Will update to the keycodes and issue a new version. Is there an application that uses F6 so we can test the keycodes on various layouts? (EDIT: tested on Iceweasel, it works fine with your keycodes!)

Everyone:
I'm torn about the top menu problems people are having. If I leave the top menu compatible with the "old" LXDE, it will not allow apps to use the top area of the screen (go underneath the bar) by default. This is a big problem, since we have so little space vertically already.

But if I update the bar to work properly in the "new" LXDE, it doesn't work at all in the "old" LXDE. It actually disappears! What to do?

senorsmile

2010-03-01 20:40

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Has anyone tried installing the newest version of Adobe Flash in Easy Debian? I tried but failed. I get some error about xarchiver not recognizing "ar". There are a few sites that use Flash 10 only, and it would be great to be able to view them with my powerful new n900.

rebhana

2010-03-01 20:52

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 551483)

rebhana: good catch. I changed the "comma" but I missed the "z". Will update to the keycodes and issue a new version. Is there an application that uses F6 so we can test the keycodes on various layouts?

Everyone:
I'm torn about the top menu problems people are having. If I leave the top menu compatible with the "old" LXDE, it will not allow apps to use the top area of the screen (go underneath the bar) by default. This is a big problem, since we have so little space vertically already.

But if I update the bar to work properly in the "new" LXDE, it doesn't work at all in the "old" LXDE. It actually disappears! What to do?

djview uses almost all of the function keys as shortcuts.

Concerning the top menu, I had a curious problem also with the "new" LXDE, albeit only once so far: I was not able to click on the application icon in the upper left corner although it was visible, thus couldn't open applications from there and also had to kill LXDE instead of being able to exit normally. (When I clicked on it, the icon below it moved, but didn't open the file manager - only when I clicked that directly.) Also, I didn't remember that the displayed time next to the application icon was in such tiny font. Did that change, too?

EDIT: Would it be possible to give the user the choice over the two possible behaviors? What would one have to do to go back to the old version of the top menu?

I again encountered the problem with the application icon described above, and then it went away when restarting LXDE.

andyph666

2010-03-01 21:14

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I installed the image from page 45-46. Has the image been updated since then? Also, I edited the shortcuts in the rx-51 file and thought that they would also work in easy debian but they do not. How do I go about making shortcut keys in easy debian. It's hard without using tab, page dn, page up etc. Thanks.

dscobsct

2010-03-01 21:29

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

i also get the problem of the apps menu not opening since new version.itl work once, then i have to add another menu to the panel

qole	2010-03-01 23:10

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Please download and install using the image installer. I need people to test it.

rebhana

2010-03-01 23:21

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

qole: just encountered the following problem with the upgraded easy-deb-chroot and easy-chroot: under debbie "df" and "df -h" doesn't produce any result any longer!?

qole	2010-03-02 00:03

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

rebhana: search above for workarounds. The simplest one is to use "df -h /" (just stick a / at the end).

This seems to be a side effect of upgrading to mostly Squeeze packages.

Mandor

2010-03-02 01:42

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 551748)

Please download and install using the image installer. I need people to test it.

19h39 : I fire up "Deb Img Install".
19h40 : Ask if I want to download from the Main or Sweden Mirror. I chose Main.
19h41 : Ask where I would like to install the image v3b. It will be MyDocs.
19h41 : ETA ~15 min.
20h01 : Asking me to extract the image file. Thanks for the warning ! I would also suggest to ask the user to go in "offline mode". If you receive a phone call of IM while the device is busy it will take a very very long time to be responsive again.
20h40 : Congratulation! All has gone well!

qole	2010-03-02 06:28

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I've filed bug 9353, "File decompression can take a very very long time".

The fuser bug has an internal ID, which means it'll get fixed. Let's hope someone figures out why it can take so long to decompress a file that should only take 8mins to decompress, and we can get this one fixed too.

rebhana

2010-03-02 06:43

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 551813)

rebhana: search above for workarounds. The simplest one is to use "df -h /" (just stick a / at the end).

This seems to be a side effect of upgrading to mostly Squeeze packages.

Thanks and sorry - I have ignored all those posts because I never had that issue before. I have only lenny packages. It stopped working without the / after I upgraded the easy... packages and installing one seemingly harmless application, zim, from lenny. Weird.

fw190

2010-03-02 11:05

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I've updated easy debian and a problem came out for me. Again with the menu icon. It was in the left upper corner but when i tried to tap on it nothing was happening. The solution for this was easy. I've taped ot the upper part of the screen and the on Add/Remove Panel items and then deleted the menu icon from the panel and closed the window. The I've opened it again and added the menu icon and then moved it on the first place in the panel and now everything works perfectly.
maybe this will help someone ;)

After closing and opening debian lxde again the problem comes back so I have to through the whole process again

andrewfblack

2010-03-02 13:24

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Qole this isn't directly related to Easy Debian but I'm using it to run a web server on my n900. I used the packages from this site to do it http://www.greenhughes.com/content/w...ket-nokia-n900 the question I have is their anyway to move the location for root of webserver out of the chroot enviroment and either in MyDocs or SD card?

rebhana

2010-03-02 16:07

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I'm not sure this could possibly have to do with Easy Debian, but I had the following problem (twice now) after I had done nothing expect playing around with Easy Debian (image v3b and newest packages), namely with xbindkeys and how to make that work with zim, a desktop wiki, and then closing Debian chroot. After that, CPU usage went to 100%, with battery draining rapidly, and the process behind that was /usr/bin/maemo-xinput-sounds. Unfortunately, I couldn't reproduce it by retracing what I had done before. Since I remember that qole had to work so hard with pulseaudio, I wonder whether the act of closing Debian chroot could have set this off. Has anybody else encountered similar problems?

hstende

2010-03-02 16:19

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

@rebhana

Here is what I did to get df to work:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=566

qole	2010-03-02 18:33

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

rebhana: You've been a victim of bug 6365 (which I'm proud to say I helped to fix by providing a test case). It will be fixed in an upcoming firmware release.

If you see this behaviour, issue the command from the terminal:

Code:

sudo killall maemo-xinput-sounds

qole	2010-03-02 18:43

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

andrewfblack: Not exactly sure what you mean by "the location for root of webserver," but if you mean the html root, just edit the httpd.conf file to point "DocumentRoot" at whatever directory you want, including /home/user/MyDocs/webserver or /media/mmc1/webserver. It should work as expected.

EDIT: Some useful info here.

rebhana

2010-03-02 19:54

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 552770)

rebhana: You've been a victim of bug 6365 (which I'm proud to say I helped to fix by providing a test case).[/code]

I'm impressed! So it can be triggered by xbindkeys and one should watch out for it when using that?

ear0wax

2010-03-02 20:37

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

So after updating I started getting this error.

Mount failure!
/home/user/MyDocs/debian-m5-v3b.img.ext2 failed to mount on loop0

/sbin/qmount: line 195: dmlosetup: not found
mount: mounting /dev/dm-0 on /.debian failed: no such file or directory

Thinking it was the .ext2 img I replaced it. Didnt work.

And I couldnt find this error in the thread.

rebhana

2010-03-02 21:15

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I have successfully installed and tested zim, a desktop wiki that seems extremely useful for a device like the N900. The newer version from squeeze is working well under Easy Debian, except that one faces the problem that one would occasionally want to use special characters which are not available on the hardware keyboard.

Running zim under debbie, which I would have preferred, I did not succeed in letting xbindkeys together with xvkbd produce some of the extra characters. Function keys F1-F12 can be emulated, but overloading special characters like bracketleft/right (which are missing on my German keyboard) does not work. I'm puzzled that for example

Code:

"xvkbd -text "\[F9]""                                               

 Shift+Mod5 + o                                                     



"xvkbd -xsendevent -text '\t'"                                      

   Control+Shift + t

does work to issue F9 and even allows me to insert a tab character in the text, but apparently no printable characters can be issued by e.g.

Code:

"xvkbd -text "\[asciitilde]""                                       

   m:0x1 + c:65                                                     

   Shift + space                                                    



"xvkbd -xsendevent -text "\[braceleft]""                            

   m:0x4 + c:33                                                     

   Control + p

Since using xbindkeys in these experiments frequently fires up maemo-xinput-sounds with 100% CPU usage and dramatic battery drains, I switched over to LXDE, where I can in fact just use xmodmap to get more key bindings. (It's a known bug that xmodmap does not work from the terminal, but with LXDE, it's more or less fine, as I've reported earlier here.)

The only problem I'm now having with zim is the black background under Easy Debian. As a theoretical physicist, I would like to be able to insert math formulae, which one can do in zim using LATEX and dvipng :cool:, but the result is black on black as I discovered after a seeing nothing until I marked larger areas of the text. Too cool to be useful...

qole, you said earlier that the appearance of LXDE was easily configurable when somebody achieved a white background by ssh -X. But if I change themes, not much if anything changes, I always have black background!

qole	2010-03-02 22:39

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by ear0wax (Post 552945)

So after updating I started getting this error.

/sbin/qmount: line 195: dmlosetup: not found
mount: mounting /dev/dm-0 on /.debian failed: no such file or directory

You must have kernel-module-dmloop installed. Either uninstall that package, or also install the dmsetup package.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebhana (Post 553011)

qole, you said earlier that the appearance of LXDE was easily configurable when somebody achieved a white background by ssh -X. But if I change themes, not much if anything changes, I always have black background!

I'm not sure why you can't change the theme. Edit /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 and comment out the line that says, "MurrinaNightOrange". This will set your colors to the (boring) defaults. Your scroll bars will become narrow again, too.

EDIT: It was xkbcomp that I found triggered the bug.

hstende

2010-03-02 23:34

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I got openoffice.org 3.2 to work on my easy debian using the ubuntu-packages for armel, but I destroyed my image in the prossess after when I was cleaning up....

Installed the ubuntuversion found here:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source...+build/1478069

It looked better than 3.1, and I guess I'll do another try, but it made my apt
unstable, because of some packages I installed and removed.

Here is a copy of my historyfile but remember this will probably destroy something:
420 mkdir office
421 cd office/
422 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
423 dpkg -i libmythes-dev_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
424 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
425 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
426 dpkg -i openoffice.org-core_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
427 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
428 dpkg -i *
429 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
430 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
431 dpkg -i *
432 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
433 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/398972...ntu3_armel.deb
434 dpkg -i *
435 dpkg -i libc6_2.11.1-0ubuntu3_armel.deb
436 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/398972...ntu3_armel.deb

442 dpkg -r locales
443 dpkg -r locale
444 dpkg -i libc-bin_2.11.1-0ubuntu3_armel.deb*
445 dpkg -i libc6_2.11.1-0ubuntu3_armel.deb
446 dpkg -i *
447 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
448 dpkg -i uno-libs3_1.6.0+OOo3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
449 dpkg -i ure_1.6.0+OOo3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
450 dpkg -i openoffice.org-core_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
451 dpkg -r openoffice.org-gtk

455 dpkg -r openoffice.org-impress

457 dpkg -r openoffice.org-common
458 dpkg -r openoffice.org-java-common
459 dpkg -r openoffice.org-emailmerge
460 dpkg -r openoffice.org-common
461 dpkg -r openoffice.org-core
462 dpkg -r openoffice.org-base-core
463 dpkg -r openoffice.org-core
464 dpkg -r python-uno
465 dpkg -r openoffice.org-core
466 dpkg -i openoffice.org-core_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
467 dpkg -r openoffice.org-common
468 dpkg -i openoffice.org-core_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
469 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/352941...-0.2_armel.deb
470 dpkg -i libgraphite3_2.3.1-0.2_armel.deb
471 dpkg -i openoffice.org-core_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
472 dpkg -i openoffice.org-common
473 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/386518...buntu1_all.deb
474 dpkg -i openoffice.org-common_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_all.deb
475 dpkg -i openoffice.org-core_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
476 dpkg -i openoffice.org-writer_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
477 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
478 dpkg -i openoffice.org-base-core_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
479 dpkg -i openoffice.org-writer_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb

483 dpkg -i openoffice.org-*
484 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
485 dpkg -i openoffice.org-impress_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
486 wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/a...0~rc4-1ubuntu1
487 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/387459...ntu1_armel.deb
488 dpkg -i openoffice.org-gtk_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb
489 wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/370684...ntu1_armel.deb
490 dpkg -i libatk1.0-0_1.29.4-0ubuntu1_armel.deb
491 dpkg -i openoffice.org-gtk_3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1_armel.deb

507 apt-get -f install

529 dpkg --force-all locales_2.10.2-6_all.deb
530 dpkg -i --force-all locales_2.10.2-6_all.deb
531 dpkg-reconfigure locales

rebhana

2010-03-02 23:40

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 553148)

Y
I'm not sure why you can't change the theme. Edit /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 and comment out the line that says, "MurrinaNightOrange". This will set your colors to the (boring) defaults. Your scroll bars will become narrow again, too.

EDIT: It was xmodmap that I found triggered the bug.

I now found that deleting the line "sNet/ThemeName=MurrinaNightOrange" in ~/.config/lxde/config allows me to change the theme from within LXDE. LXDE seems to change only the entry in /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0. Therefore, when the theme is also set in ~/.config/lxde/config, the only effect of changing the theme is in the small information window at startup about the keyboard.

"MurrinaNightOrange" is more beautiful - I'll try perhaps to change only the background color of some applications like zim.

So far I found xmodmap harmless when run under LXDE. Did you do that in terminal mode or debbie?

hstende

2010-03-02 23:43

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

@rebhana
If you just want the openoffice to not use the gtk-theme, you could just do: dpkg -r openoffice.org-gtk

dscobsct

2010-03-02 23:45

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

im using v3b, sorry havent had time to test installer yet but i will on weekend, every time i start the desktop its different, i get the old look, then the new look, then the shutdown menu changes.
is there two config files there competing or something?

qole	2010-03-02 23:48

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

dscobsct: I honestly don't know what's going on with your setup.

rebhana: Thanks for the tip about the LXDE theme. I should probably tweak that so that everyone can change the theme in LXDE. And sorry, I was wrong. It was xkbcomp that caused the problems.

a179	2010-03-02 23:56

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

I installed easy debian and it works well, butI can't connect to the web using easy debian although I can using the n900 applications like web browser apps manager. I am using my pc to connect my n900 to the web using pc-connecivity. I tried the usb0 option in wicd but it didn't work.
I have the v3b image file and easy debian 0.9.45-1fremantle1 and easy chroot 0.2.8-2fremantle1 installed.
what can I do?

qole	2010-03-02 23:57

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

hstende: Perhaps I should upload my Ubuntu karmic image file for people to try out. If OpenOffice 3.2 is a lot faster or better than the 3.1 version we've got in Easy Debian, I should maybe make it available for everyone...

EDIT: Not a good idea to remove the openoffice GTK package, it removes some nice features like tap-and-hold right-click.

qole	2010-03-03 00:00

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

a179: the pc-connectivity package must be using some kind of non-standard hack to get Internet connectivity via USB, because Easy Debian can connect through "normal" methods (wifi and GPRS). Anybody know anything that can help a179?

hstende

2010-03-03 00:04

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

@qole
It was feeling a bit faster, but maybe it was just a placebo effect:)

A karmic image would be nice if you have one.

ear0wax

2010-03-03 00:31

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by qole (Post 553148)

You must have kernel-module-dmloop installed. Either uninstall that package, or also install the dmsetup package..

I didnt have ether installed but by installing them it worked.

qole	2010-03-03 00:39

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

ear0wax: I don't understand; the qmount script only tries to use the dm-loop when it finds the "dm-loop.ko" module. Are you sure you've not installed anything to do with devmapper or dmloop? Did you have an encrypted image set up?

backwoods

2010-03-03 00:41

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Can you make the program of open office print via wifi or the usb port?

jsbigs

2010-03-03 01:32

Re: Easy Debian Fremantle Beta Testing

Quote:

Originally Posted by backwoods (Post 553271)

Can you make the program of open office print via wifi or the usb port?

Try the instructions in this thread, it worked for me:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...hlight=printer

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