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Not true. They have tried with E71, and few other Taleban phones. But it didnt sell. Lumia is still subpar to iphone and androids, but is superior to whatever NOKIA had before

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he is dreaming and unable to wake up, :^

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Would I be right in thinking WP7 has all of the following:
True multitasking, multicore processor support, USB mass storage, USB OTG, full Bluetooth connectivity to any device, extendible memory, HDMI out, file manager, Python scripting, ...

Seeing as the humble Symbian can do all of these things I'm sure you'd agree not having such functionality on NOKIA's shiny, smooth new Lumia's would be utterly intolerable.

Leaving out such functionality would be treating Americans like goddamn troglodytes!

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Well, one thing you can't say about the Lumia 900:

Why they couldn't give it away if it was free!

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Sure. But it lacked what the common crowd wants. Smooth operator that does simple things out of the box. Even Symbian phones like E71, were a major problem with email. Blackberry kicked their *** in ease of use, and they never did well here in US. Common crowd care less for Python and script gymnastics. Nokia needs to be viable. Everything else may cater to the extremes of 5%, but will not make the payroll.

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Maemo, a monumental fail. After 5 itinerations its still not smooth, stutters and lags. LOL. I would commit a suicide if I was in charge of that project

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Sure. But that was while back. You cant bring the same kind of raw OS on the market, and expect to succeed.

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Not everyone, even in the US, cares about virgin-a55 "smooth" operation characteristics.

I wonder if you "stutter" in real life, or could entertain people in a "smooth", eloquent way instead. Or be "lagging" after a boozeful "one-buck-all-night" drinking contest with your flashy poser friends. :D

I just can't keep from laughing over this stupid repeated over-usage of "smooth". Maybe you should start tossing in "elegant" too, North Americans like that in the context of UIs.

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"Don't feed the trolls" comes in mind. Well, after his "ingenious" whining about "retina" screen, what do You expect?

/Estel

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You do know NOKIA sold hundreds of millions of Symbian devices globally don't you?

Have you noticed how NOKIA has crashed since Elop announced his dumbing-down measures?

Elop could have introduced WP7 phones for the less sophisticated, less demanding user who only cares about 'smooth' screen transitions and continued with Symbian/MeeGo for power users, that way could have had happy customers all round and he wouldn't have cost NOKIA billions of Euros of lost revenue either.

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Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, yes (only on some models actually), nope, yes (via homebrew and an older app that was out), heck no.

Just being honest man... none of that is really there.

But... Elop says it's the future! A simpler, easier to get frustrated with, throw the phone down, buy another future! Instant multiple SKU sales right there!

But we are troglodytes with our SUV's, cheeseburger and pizza dependencies and lack of understanding of what bluetooth is - that's a bad case of dental hygiene, right? ;)

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They did give it away... and after the data access glitch, they gave people $100 USD.

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Sorry, I also have used WP7 and iOS. Your experience is totally different from mine in real life, real use. Like doing many things at once (many web sites open, etc). N9 is a lot more responsive.

Stupid comments come from stupid people.

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Cute. I bet you rather enjoy HD TV than regular TV or TV without stripes across the screen :). I think you get it.

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No you dont. Otherwise you have defective units.

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Let's talk about Nokia stock?

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Keep your arrogance for yourself. You haven't any clue of how many hours I have spent with WP7 & iOS, which comparison I've done, etc.

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Let's add some trolls to ignore list ;)

Seriously though - it's hard animal, so it may live up to another 18 months. I would not expect more - either hard or soft bankruptcy, both placing stock holders in miserable position.

/Estel

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Nah, Elop/flop/$chlop and my feelings are much more market driving than price and facts. M$/necrosoft/macrohard are the ****/saviour... stock? Oh sorry, no idea, should bend to my expectations though (I hope/expect)

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The problem right now is the Lumias are too expensive. They are not competitive http://www.gsmarena.com/lumia_phones...-news-4103.php

In other words, people feel a Lumia has lower value than a similarly priced Android device.

In the US, the Lumia 900 is given away for free, more or less. I guess that is what it takes to build an ecosystem from scratch these days.

Kind of obvious really. Elop wants to build "the third" ecosystem. Then why is he selling Lumias in Europe at premium prices? Get the prices down! Look how Amazon is doing it.

Get the Lumias out there, then the stock will follow.

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Would need to get it out via one-way space ship - then, they could at least profit from entertaiment. It's not a matter of price - it's a matter of fact, that system limitations makes this sh*t worth much less than it's manufacturing costs, not to mention selliving/giving away price.

BTW I want to stab ("literaly") everyone who use word "ecosystem" out of Animal Planet context. Want to build an ecosystem? Go and FCKN root in soft earth, for a good start (pun intended).

/Estel

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IMO that is the only hope for Nokia now. They have to give away Lumias to get the ecosystem rolling. The OS and the ecosystem is more than good enough, but good enough is not enough. The Lumias also has to be cheap so people perceive they get good value for money.

The days where the ecosystems just sort of happened is over. Today they have to be built. A key ingredient is cheap devices.

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Having a company that can **** few billion $ per year to make it happen helps, oh wait, MS is just destroying Nokia. Nokia alone can keep up its current trend for a couple/few years, with MS they can go on a decade long subsidized war. Wonder what all naysayers were saying in 2007 when iPhone 1 was announced... no apps, no way in hell this will work, Nokia and Sony have all the market, Apple is crazy trying new approach (probably something like this: http://articles.marke****ch.com/2007...usiness-market)

replace **** in url by t w a t, yes, marketwa tch is a curse word... holy shi...

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Yeaaaa Mr Negative...lets celebrate Nokia failure....yeaaaa....take
some Prozac and enjoy life

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I have no cable, IPTV or SatTV (not gonna pay for such crap), and i only infrequently watch in SD on an 8 year old Panasonic CRT TV. Only 13 channels, all provided over DVB-T. Thanks. But i like to read and absorb information instead, and educate myself instead of simply copying what the majority likes.

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You are so yesterday. I bet chicks don't dig you.

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Remember when I said that threats were a new low.

I spoke too early. C'mon man. This is... low.

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U da man. What u drinking or smoking bro

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Hi gerbick. I think you misunderstood my point. They were able to give them away for free.That's why I said you "can't" say that about them.

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Oh, I understood... just that they actually gave them away plus $100.00 USD

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At least not the high-maintenance Manhattan & Miami sluts, no. But i had many nice come-togethers with beautiful charismatic chicks from Tallinn & Prague, stories that you'll never experience, because you seem to be stuck in the US, and i bet you only have the typical pathetic 10 or 15 days of vacation at hand. :D :P
Thus, an even lower setting has been reached. Someone kill this thread, per favore.

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Oh my I remember the girls in prague I don't remember if I actually saw an ugly girl there LOL.

I can save nokia too btw here's my plan

Step 1 Drop wp

Step 2 Pick random mobile OS

Step 3 ????

Step 4 Profit

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Is that the case? Too bad they aren't offering the N950 instead...

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Nokia is blind nokia n9 on the top of daily interest for 7days

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HAHAHAHA!! Love the Southpark gnomes reference :) sorry to be off topic

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Ok, let's get the dust off from my account. ;)

I believe that people have often overlook something when analysing nokia's downfall... Even considering the many reasons why the consumer market will, in the end, reject NoWin's Lumia offerings, there's a crap cherry on top:

It's a microsoft offering.

While consumers will put up with windows in their home computers and laptops, since it's simply one of those facts of life (honestly, most in my country never bought a single windows license, so putting up will usually mean simply installing a VLK XP license and forgetting about that), you still have to consider that it's a microsoft product, that is, the offering of a company that has a rather nasty reputation attached to itself.

People don't want any more MS in their lives. Even if for microsoft's well earned reputation of being an unfair player.

If, on top of that, you consider that said offering is rather subpar in comparison to its competition... There you go, gentleman, we have a perfect example of a phone that won't "sell" even if given away...

...as has been the case. Anyways, back on topic...

I wonder whether it'll be better for those holding nokia's papers to wait for it's very likely demise and attempt to get a better price then for the shares they own, or whether it's wiser to sell now and simply bear with the losses.

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What? Your favorite company's strategy is failing and people are talking about it?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WZAFODAvJJ...bulance5fw.jpg

How about trying to convince us about why it doesn't suck instead of crying? :) I know it's VERY, very hard to do right now--what with the numbers not helping you--but you might as well try earning an A for effort. It's okay. Go on. We won't laugh. ...too hard.

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With apologies to poor little Lumiaman, you folks MUST see this.. heh! Tech News Today talking about the Nokia Lumia 900's reception:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOPy9jNhEjc&t=33m58s

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Actually, where are they offered for free + 100USD? At&t has them for $99 +$100 credit to account until April 21 making it effectively free. Amazon wireless has them at about $50 if starting new account. Not sure if $100 credit holds there....

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Hmpffffff.
The MS marketing people dropped into TMO as trolls.

http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/muq1...lefacepalm.jpg