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mece	2011-05-17 20:17

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1008526)

This device will never go on sale ask @zehjotkah he said its only for developers, there is second device coming for end users

EDIT: so get your arses to MeeGo Conf b/c thats probably reason why they needed FCC clearance to give them out there to participants in US.

That kinda makes this commercial a huge waste of money though...

daperl

2011-05-17 20:17

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Engadget finally picked it up:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/17/n...ndtrack-video/

gabby131

2011-05-17 20:18

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

why??? why on white? all my devices are black! this thing will destroy my all black collection if it'll not have a blck version...!!!! :)

but it looks awesome! yey!!!

NvyUs

2011-05-17 20:20

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by mece (Post 1008534)

That kinda makes this commercial a huge waste of money though...

It most probably was never meant to be released.
The Firm that said last week they was making a commercial for N950 meant the 2nd device.

tissot

2011-05-17 20:22

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by mece (Post 1008534)

That kinda makes this commercial a huge waste of money though...

Compared to the R&D spent to Qt, Harmattan and MeeGo that ads price isn't even a drop in the water.
The first MeeGo device was originally supposed to come out Q4 2010 and the ad got 2010 in it and comment about super bowl coming to NYC in the social app(that was news in May 2010).

Could mean nothing, but there has been quite a bit of rumors that RM-680 would be dev only. Qwertyless device for consumers.

olympus

2011-05-17 20:26

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

I don't get this, what would be the point of a dev device which has 12MP camera and so on? I think that's bullcrap.

sevla

2011-05-17 20:27

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Who's in the SF area that wants to go to the meego conference for me so I can get the phone??????? :)

mscion

2011-05-17 20:29

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Is there any way I can disguise myself as a developer? I am nothing but a mere tester at best.

christexaport

2011-05-17 20:30

Re: N9 hits FCC???

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Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 1008168)

Come on... say it: Apple!

Some customers buy that phone, other companies see the counts, they are asking why the number of sales are that high, some marketing guy are answering: "because it's that extremely flat" and the manufactures copies this "feature" in the hope to sell their devices as good as the other does without understanding it is selling well because of the whole concept. Not because the missing lens cover. No! It's despite the missing lens cover.

In my opinion they haven't understood the main problem. If they only copy a design they can't generate that much money as the competitor does. If the customers are able to buy the original, why they should buy the counterfeit?
Sell something unique and you could get a appropriate market share if it is good enough.

The same with the not (or only hardly) removeable batteries (Nokia N8) or the not easily mountable flash storage at Windows Phone 7. (they have seen at Apple that it only works with iTunes, so they thought all customers want it this way and now you need a ZUNE compatible device, a Linux or Mac won't work)

The companies should stop trying to copy the iPhone and start to think themselfes how they could generate their own type of customers as MeeGo does. Hopefully with a Phone that fits in the MeeGo concept and not a iPhone copy&paste with MeeGo running on it.

many OEMs killed lens covers to help the experience and use of AR apps. Helps to not have an "open lens cover" alert. I think its no big deal myself on a high end optics device, though.

NvyUs

2011-05-17 20:32

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1008544)

I don't get this, what would be the point of a dev device which has 12MP camera and so on? I think that's bullcrap.

B/c this device was ready to go to market but got pulled b/c they got bad feedback on the UI so deciced to rework it.
While they redone the UI this device was made way too late to release, so the few that came off production are now being given out as dev devices I guess

geojoking

2011-05-17 20:34

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

That's what I don't get either. Why would Nokia give away a dev phone with 12mpx camera and whatnot? Isn't that why they decided to release MeeGo DE for N900 - for developers?

It's clear to me that the video is not new. It does have the Symbian-Anna icons but I suspect they were in the works for MeeGo / Harmattan and because they invested in them, they decided "why not release them in Symbian" ? Seriously, the new icons in Symbian were a complete surprise to everyone.

We will probably never know the complete story behind N9-00, N9-01 and N950. Even after the Nokia MeeGo-related device will be lauched, we will still be in doubt about this subject.

olympus

2011-05-17 20:35

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Well i don't know why they would make a commercial "teaser" about it :P

shmerl

2011-05-17 20:37

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1008526)

This device will never go on sale ask @zehjotkah he said its only for developers, there is second device coming for end users

I still have no idea what it means. What developers? There are many developers around. How can one get hold of this device in practice?

NvyUs

2011-05-17 20:39

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

btw the UI reason is 100% true, I'm only guessing on why they decided to give them out.

Stonik

2011-05-17 20:41

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by olympus (Post 1008544)

I don't get this, what would be the point of a dev device which has 12MP camera and so on? I think that's bullcrap.

First they tell the world, that MeeGo is not going to be developed anymore. And the next step is to release a device for MeeGo developers? :)

I was wondering about the 12mpix camera. The body of the device looks pretty slim, but a good quality cmos sensor has to be large enough to produce decent pics (like N8). Brilliant engineering or 12mpix camera with very noisy images?

mece	2011-05-17 20:49

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

If it indeed is "only for developers" then how the hell is that determined? For developers only. Bah. That's crazy talk! Then again there has been a lot of crazy talk from Nokia lately.

olympus

2011-05-17 20:49

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Well the camera on the N9/50 seems to be the same as on n8.

sony123

2011-05-17 20:52

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1008558)

btw the UI reason is 100% true, I'm only guessing on why they decided to give them out.

This speculation is wild but maybe Nokia is using Meego as a bargain chip to negotiate with MS about the buyout...

But in any case, it's a smart move to give out these obsolete hw as developer device.

ericsson

2011-05-17 20:53

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by Stonik (Post 1008561)

First they tell the world, that MeeGo is not going to be developed anymore. And the next step is to release a device for MeeGo developers? :)

It's not MeeGo, it is Maemo/Harmattan. Why release it anyway when Nokia has gone MS ? I don't know, but I bet it will be able to run Maemo (out of the box) and MeeGo (probably at some point) and WM7 as well, and of course Nitdroid some time later. Maybe even Symbian (some leaked versions made for the chipset??).

I want one :)

NvyUs

2011-05-17 20:54

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Go to forum Nokia i bet they will sell them via their developer programs

zehjotkah

2011-05-17 20:54

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by ndi (Post 1008517)

What annoys me is that the UI must be 'shopped in. Nothing Nokia ever produced was that smooth and responsive. Have you seen that baby? Reminds me of N900 commercials where people just drag video over twitter over browser over notes. Yeah. We all know how that goes on a 600 MHz.

You may be positively surprised.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1008526)

Umm, need for clarification here.
I said there will be a device for devs and there will be a device for consumers, yes.
I never said that the device we see in the teaser (let's just call it N9, okay?) is the developer device, or that the consumer device won't have a keyboard.

Maybe it could be helpful to think about the N900. There was a dev device as well. If I remember correctly lcuk was one of the guys having a really early dev N900.
Then there were about 400 dev N900; 100 sent out to selected devs, 300 distributed at the maemo conference.

Think a while about it and then the world won't look so unfair anymore... ;)

NvyUs

2011-05-17 20:57

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

@zehjotkah I already had it clarified by someone in Nokia before i quoted you to be safe its correct device, and this indeed is the Dev device.

mece	2011-05-17 20:58

Re: N9 hits FCC???

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1008520)

Well, this confirms that it's a 4-row keyboard. The left-down-right cursor buttons have to be below the up button. And what is that slot on the side? It doesn't look like a micro-USB, and they wouldn't put a micro-SD slot there, and it's too big for a microphone...

So it must be the right speaker!

Attachment 20175

I do hope it doesn't lose more than the fmtx, from what we have with N900. I'm a little bummed about that. Hope the speakers are good.

I can tell by your avatar you're excited about this :D

zehjotkah

2011-05-17 20:59

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Why releasing an Harmattan device when Nokia bets on Microsoft?
- it was in the pipeline already
- it is an amazing device which will polish Nokias brand image (think about called as "Smartphone of the year 2011" or similar)
- maemo/MeeGo is part of "future disruptions" branch
- in future disruptions, technology will be researched which could change the whole market, think about Motorola RAZR, iPad and so on.
- Qt: Qt is still a huge part of Nokia and Nokia will also bet on Qt in the future (not on WinPhone, though)
- there are plans to switch over to MeeGo proper (which will get a firmware update every six month) but I don't know if there is a decision already

sevla

2011-05-17 21:03

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

I hate all this speculation.. But i'm going to be really pissed if people who go to the meego conference can have this phone months before consumers.. that just doesn't make sense to me.. just let me buy the f*ing thing...

tissot

2011-05-17 21:07

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by sevla (Post 1008587)

Lol after this long of waiting this device i would be ready to pay pretty much anything to get it.
If the dev story is true(i do believe it is) i hope the consumer device wont have 15 months of head hurting rumors, more like announced in 2 weeks time.

Vertikar

2011-05-17 21:07

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl;1008520 And what is that slot on the side? It doesn't look like a micro-USB, and they wouldn't put a micro-SD slot there, and it's too big for a microphone...

So it must be the right speaker!

[attach

20175[/attach]

Could be micro-HDMI..

shmerl

2011-05-17 21:08

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

So developers devices will be available in numbers like 400 in total? One can forget about it then. So what's the expected differences between the developers and consumers device then, besides the point whether consumers one comes with or without a hw keyboard?

EIPI	2011-05-17 21:10

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Pre-release firmware is one difference between developer devices and consumer ones. The N900 I received in Amsterdam was (physically) the same as the consumer device, but with pre-release firmware.

zehjotkah

2011-05-17 21:11

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1008591)

So developers devices will be available in numbers like 400 in total?

that's how rumors start.
I was talking about the N900, the device which is about two years old... ;)

marrat

2011-05-17 21:12

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

I am really looking forward to the device with keyboard. If this one will not be buyable by "normal" people somehow, I don't see a reason why to replace my N900 & N8... :-(

NvyUs

2011-05-17 21:13

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

I was also told by the Nokian who told me this is the dev device when I started to moan that I wont even want this when I see the Consumer device anyway, reckons we are in for a surprise

sevla

2011-05-17 21:16

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1008598)

I was also told by the Nokian who told me this is the dev device when I started to moan that I wont even want this when I see the Consumer device anyway, reckons we are in for a surprise

jeebus.. WTF DOES THAT MEAN!!!!!!!!!. I h8 nokia employee secret talk.. The person i know does the same f'ing thing...

geojoking

2011-05-17 21:16

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by EIPI (Post 1008594)

Pre-release firmware is one difference between developer devices and consumer ones. The N900 I received in Amsterdam was (physically) the same as the consumer device, but with pre-release firmware.

But in this situation developers will get their hands on an exclusive not-to-be-released Nokia device. Which has happened in the past before: Nokia 7700. And after years, people got their hands on it. :))

mece	2011-05-17 21:16

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1008591)

What he said was that there were 400 N900 developer devices, which means that the numbers probably are in the same range. Either way they are not for sale. It doesn't mean the consumer device will be different in a noticeable way. The N900 developer devices were, iirc, identical to the final ones.

Anyway here's how I figure/hope it will be, based on rumors, zehjotkah's info and N900 experience:
Developer devices (and the sdk) will be out during meegoconf, then the lucky developers who gets one can make some apps and test and report bugs and whatnot, and after a month or so the final device will be out.

zehjotkah

2011-05-17 21:18

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

btw. I had a phone call with Nokia some hours ago. They will start investigation who leaked that video tomorrow. Someone is in serious trouble...

shmerl

2011-05-17 21:18

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1008596)

that's how rumors start.
I was talking about the N900, the device which is about two years old... ;)

I understand, I was just comparing the two cases (of N900 and N9) potentially.

The idea of hardware being the same, and different level of OS maturity, sounds good. At least consumers' device won't be physically crippled. (Hopefully it won't have any restrictions either, like on dual booting and etc. comparing to the dev device release). However if consumers device will come without a hw keyboard or will have some weird restrictions - I doubt it'll interest me.

NvyUs

2011-05-17 21:19

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

@mece The difference is the Dev device and consumer device are both different models this time

aikon800

2011-05-17 21:20

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

By the looks of it from the screen caps, I think they removed the front hardware button......NOOO!! :(

sevla

2011-05-17 21:21

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

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