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bla bla bla, cool story bro. Give yourself a badge

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"NOKIA was otherwise destined for certain death"

As opposed to what?

rgds

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Hildon, Maemo, the majority of the new apps transferred from MeeGo to WP7 and now WP8 will disagree with you. They are a software company, with not only Symbian (bought), but also Qt (bought), and Maemo (built), and MeeGo (contributed and help built) as well as Nokia Drive, Maps, City Lens, Music, et al all disagree with you.

Nokia has made the best WP7 apps, they've blazed their trails on operating systems, applications and honestly have done more than just skin an OS (like Samsung) ... so naw dude.

Your statement is inherently false and easily disputed. You might want to go back and qualify the statement with something like that you don't like the software they produce. That's a different statement.

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Can Nokia Save Itself?

No fvckin' way.

http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/...ia-save-itself

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Of course nokia can save itself. Just not inte current form.

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Nokia is not a software OS?

Symbian and the S-series have been running on more devices than Windows, if I am not mistaken. S40 alone has been on more than 1.5 billion devices.

Does that mean that Microsoft isn't a software company, too?

I am so fed up with the blatant trolls ruining this place, I think I will leave TMO for good soon. But then, that's why they're here.

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Read mine: They won't be a company at all soon, at this rate.

In Nokia's case, 'uncertain subsistence?'

Naw, don't leave. If the good people leave, all that'll be left are the rubes and curs.

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I will correct myself: Third rate software company. They can't compete with the big boys and girls. Equivalent to third division football.

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I'm sorry Lumiaman but I think you have that wrong and heres just one example to contradict you.

Symbian was deployed to 1.4bn devices.

Thats more than Microsoft has shipped for Windows.
Thats more than Facebook has users.
Thats more than IBM has Lotus Notes seats.
Thats more than Microsoft has Exchange seats.

Doesn't sound very third rate to me.

Perhaps you are mistaken in your claim.

rgds

In fact I can only think of perhaps SQLite as having a larger software deployment off the top of my head. Maybe Java too.

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It's also quite apparent if anything's going to keep NOKIA afloat now it's going to be the devices running Series 40.

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Yet again, you're wrong. Anssi Vanjoki was supposed to get the job, and he was going to use MeeGo as Nokia's primary OS. The board wanted Anssi. The only reason Elop got the job was because of pressure from American investors.

And Elop's job was to streamline their operations and use the plan they had implemented before his arrival - which was to migrate symbian users to MeeGo.

If you're going to troll, at least have half a brain ;)

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http://i.imgur.com/3bCCe.png

To think that the share price was almost 30 EUR some 5 years ago back when the first iPhone was released. All they needed was a slick finger friendly GUI for Symbian..

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Developers will disagree but from a disinterested consumer point of view, you're not far off.

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Remember the stupid statements from Nokia CEO IIRC that for Symbian to be touch-friendly they needed 2 weeks and it would be an iphone competitor...How much more incompetent can one get...

Nokia jumped from one incompetent CEO to another incompetent idiot...

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Since he was brought up...

Did you know that Anssi Vanjoki is finally getting to his goal of being CEO... of a former Nokia phone brand?

http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/12/sou...place-symbian/

He's going with Android, but what were his options.

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Yup he will be Vertu CEO most probably but the Android part is a rumour...He had said something demeaning of Android before so I don't think its that likely Android would be chosen...

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When they're bringing in a CEO they probably have some guidelines he'll have to accept, so it may be true indeed. Or not.

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Since I'm so active today, I'll include this graph that Tomi made:

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...44107c1970d-pi

See if you can spot the typo. It's glaring.

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Haha Tomi is like the anti-Lumiaman...He'll massage facts (Q4, '10 wtf?) to just get his bias points across..

Oh and the "Source" of his figures and diagrams never fail to amaze me...Both Tomi and Lumiaman are those who you just want to laugh at...

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If they going Android, Ansi will be the second idiot of Nokia. Going Android == prepare Vertu for dying the same way as Nokia...

Again I say JollaOS==Vertu

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Viva Jolla!! But without loser Jussa. They need Stalin to make sure beta OS is not released

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If they are software company, why do they keep releasing beta OSs? Tell me why? N8=beta, n900=beta, n9=beta. Can they ever complete anything ?

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The industry (phone analysts) do not laugh at Tomi, that should tell you something. But he's mad as a hatter. And he keeps doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Up until and including Q4 2010, Nokia sales were going up (in numbers of units). I were following them closely. Not because I have a thing for Symbian, because I don't, but because everybody everywhere (read: american tech bloggers and their european translators) were writing about how bad Nokia was failing, when it simply wasn't true. They were selling MORE AND MORE.

But the burning memo wasn't until middle Q1 2011, right? The Q1 numbers are down, but you can't see the day of the turning on the graph. What he's plotted in is one number in the middle of each quarter, and then there's a line between them. The plotting of the graph is correct.

Anyway, it IS a fact that everybody dropped anything Nokia in fear and pain on February 11th. Just check Google Stocks. The leaking of the memo was an accident and the February 11th speech were premature, the strategy wasn't ready and there were no devices to show for months. It was a huge failure.

There are ways to roll out a business strategy change and there are ways not to do it. To kill your milk cow without having any replacement ready is the way not to do it.

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You can say Jolla OS is Vertu as much as you want, but Jolla and Vertu are competitors now. Vertu is just interested in making hardware for a segment that's willing to pay an extra premium, and they need a sales bullet point list that lists something people were going to buy anyway. Jolla OS isn't that. Jolla OS is Yallah OS to everybody in the world except a handful people who know too much about mobile tech.

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Yes I know about post-Feb. '11 and its consequences very well...This is what I've been saying so many times...The memo, announcment etc should not have happened...WP could still be adapted but with a caveat that Nokia will be going on a multi-OS strategy so allowing Symbian to continue its growth and die a more natural death etc...

However, the announcement did the most damage as developers etc just dropped Symbian like a hot potato after that...

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Dude... with a name like Lumia, there's no room to talk about beta OS's.

WP7, WP7.5... c'mon dawg. I actually use and own a Lumia and can say that the polish is only so deep on those operating systems and WP7.x feels like a decidedly beta operating system.

I can admit that MeeGo on the N9 isn't as polished as I'd personally like, but it's not Android - sorry, but I actually feel like Android 4.1.2 (Jelly Bean) is a really polished OS - nor is it iOS, which felt polished in iOS 5.x, but not so much in this newest iteration (all my opinion).

In fact, none of these mobile OS's feel like a true, final OS - again, my opinion. But if I had to do it all over again, I would have picked and stayed on my N9 and waited out for WP8 to get a proper metric of which OS and ecosystem (dirty word, I know) I'd rather go with than suffer through the early iOS days, anything before Gingerbread on Android and any iteration of WP7 before WP8.

Anyway, I know you're semi-trolling, but you're much smarter than your prior statement my man...

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Betas? Google: Gmail. Microsoft: Windows ME, Vista, 8.

Nuff said.

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I agree, by committing to offering WPx exclusively they painted themselves into a corner and lost control of their own destiny. As for publicly announcing your own operating systems EOL nearly a full year before you'll have anything viable to replace them with, well... you'd either have to be an imbecile or a saboteur.



Carriers and retailers too. Certainly here in the UK it was astonishing how quickly NOKIA disappeared from their offerings after that.

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I have four Android devices, some running 2.3 some running 4.0. For the most part I really like Android but I find all my Android devices have freezing issues and need to be rebooted quite regularly.

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Microsoft Live streaming from their event today where the release windows 8. Can this possibly help nokia stock with desktop and tablets hitting the market. Microsoft also might have a surface phone up its sleeve.

We will see. Overall in thing this a great for the future of nokia stock.

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Are you trying to give the impression you know him or even know anything about him?

I think he comes across well, very calm and calculated. The complete antithesis of all the vacuous p155 and wind we hear from Stephen Elop when he's interviewed.

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I have used them all. WP, Symbian, palm, WM, Android, Bada, iOS, Maemo/meego, s40, se, Samsung you name it. For every day use WP is the best, no question about it. It feels least beta of them all, except for S40 and se, but they are not smartphone os'es. iOS is also up there.

Symbian is still top for more advanced HW features, but it's my hope and opinion that WP8 will take over. Only one way to find out, and that's by getting a WP8 phone.

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Because Android has totally killed every company that adopted it?

For once, we agree! And by your own admission, they're STILL doing that! Windows Phone 7 = beta, Windows Phone 7.5 = beta, Windows Phone 8 = beta?... :)

If I may... Starscream playing as Elop

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And then there's my a*s-kicking GSM Galaxy Nexus which never freezes and never needs to be rebooted, except for the upgrades from vanilla 4.0.4 to vanilla 4.1.2. So...

@gerbick

Nice post.

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RIM and LG are now bigger smartphone manufacturers than Nokia. Nokia is now the 7th - 9th largest smartphone manufacturer in the world. Way to go Elop and the WP strategy!

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Last intraweek:

http://bors.e24.no/e24/images/chart/...3f24a7bd81.png

Unusually steady around €2 for a few days.

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Looging good and steady. a MS device will slightly boast the windows ecosystem and slowly take another 1% of the market share.

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/9495...ket?source=msn

It's just a matter of time now before Nokia takes over the lead. Trust me :)

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Can I start calling you Nokia Bob?
http://youtu.be/TrXhxmQJSS0