Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Do you have any patches installed? My experience has been that whenever my phone is acting strangely it's been either because of patches or (most often) due to btrfs needing balancing.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

It is sad to see many people with problems without a concrete solution (including me), hope that 2.0 fix all those issues.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I doubt that SW updates are going to fix your problems since it seems that root cause might be HW faults (or some funny stuff installed, hmm?)

Somehow I just cannot believe I'm so lucky that I have not ever experienced any of the aforementioned problems. If it was somehow related to SW, shouldn't that affect me too?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

In defense of everyone suffering awkward stuff with his Jolla, i have been there... I feel your pain!

There is one major flaw on Sailfish most users have not realized, because they should not have to!

DEM CALL IT BTRFS o.=

Sorry for the loud words. But every single problem i experienced on three Jolla Phones in my family and two with friends, where rooted to btrfs problems.

The observation for me is, humble little i (always 5 gig space available) never had one single problem ever since jan/2014.
My loving wife shooting video like there is 128gb space and my daughter downloading gigs of android games manage to destroy their devices (in their eyes) every second month.

I experienced failed system updates due to btrfs,
hanging and lagging ui due to btrfs,
spontaneos reboots due to btrfs,
and just for the sake of not writing due to btrfs a fourth time i will stop here.
The main problem is that the disk is not actually full, showing up to 4gigs available but somehow cluttered from e.g. moving large files.

So, please before giving up, try the btrfs balance.
go in your terminal
if the "used" allocation is higher than 13153337344 bytes
Even a btrfs balance and reinitializing the last system-update did not help in one occasion on my daughters phone, so i did a backup, factory-reset, reinstall apps, restore backup and all is fine still then.

My conclusion, try in order 1. balance, 2. reinitiate last system-update. 3. factory-reset.
If problems persist, it is a HW defect and still worth a try on warranty.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Dont know if you know my issues with 1.1.9, my main issue is the loss os connection sometimes (i need to start/stop data connection) on 1.1.7 all runs fine for me.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

regression after system-update that very few other users experience point to a problem with said system-update.

Try version --dup in devel-su mode!
Sometimes single packages of an update fail, update runs through nevertheless giving the user the impression everything went fine.

You get a nice verbose output from the command.
If the first attempt fails with errors, try again. I had some packages that refused to update until i tried three times.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Sorry but I can't confirm temp reading is working.

Actually my Pollar Cell did not deviate much from 28 degrees Celsius both reported by CSD tool and a native battery application "Charge Monitor" also shows figures hovering between 28 , 28.1 , 28.2, 28.3.

I suspect this is bogus information and also you won't see your numbers change much.

TEST for you: Pollar Cell vs Jolla supplied battery temp reading:

-my Jolla phone running with original battery shows slightly higher than room temp ~20 degrees C under CSD tool battery info. This is coming out of sleep as it is running 1.1.9.28 in stand by to check standby time during days. So you may thin that the 28 under usage for the Pollar Cell powered one is still normal, but no...

-This original battery powered phone put in de refrigerator quickly shows new figure when CSD battery test re-run: 18 degrees, then 16 etc...

-The Pollar Cell powered one stays stuck on 28 degrees C after spending equal time in the refrigerator.

The author of the battery comparison article could have been more clear about this...

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Thank you for your help but i need some more "help"... i need to type this on terminal or something?, this downgrade to 1.1.7 or fix something?

Thanks!

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

No, this is not to downgrade. It is to complete the upgrade properly.

The software on your phone (or any device) consists of many components, called packages. Some are independent, others depend on each other. Each package delivers a set of files that work together to achieve a given task.

Sometimes, especially during a big system update when a large number of packages are being replaced, an error can happen and some packages fail to update properly. A Sailfish update through the GUI (graphical user interface) is designed to be user-friendly, hiding most of the complexity from the user. But that comes at the cost of sometimes hiding some less serious error messages.

What mosen is suggesting is that you open the terminal, type devel-su and press enter. You will be asked for the password. Then you type version --dup and press enter. This will initialize the update process again. You will need the developer mode installed to do those things.

The update system knows which packages have been replaced successfully and which ones still need doing, and it will do only those. It will also give you a full screen of info you might use to resolve any problems. You may want to capture that screen and share it with us.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

@pichlo

Thanks ill try it, but... whats my admin password on terminal?

PS: Solved... is the same as the SSH conection.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Whatever you set up in Settings -> System -> Developer mode.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I was asking for the root password... but is solved, after a while version --dup not find new updates.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

btw: is there an option like -s for apt?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

What about
?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I just got new software update 1.1.9.30!
https://together.jolla.com/question/...ampi-released/

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yeah also installed it.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I also got the notification but wasn't able to find detailed changelog.
I'd like to know if the MS exchange bug was fixed.

edit: this one https://together.jolla.com/question/...-11928-update/

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

can confirm! Uuuupppppdating :D
Early Access 1.1.9.30. Still called Eineheminlampi.
Btrfs balance is proposed by installer.

EDIT, All went fine with 1.1.9.30. Had all patches disabled and rebooted before update.
Waiting for 2.0 or try "ssu release 2.0.0.0"... Thats the question :P

EDIT2 IT IS HERE, announced by normal installer! :D 2.0.0.10!
320 MB, updating again!

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I'm a little confused - it proposed a balance, but then didn't appear to do anything, allowing me to download / install the update in a matter of minutes.

This could be because my file system has never got anywhere near full and didn't need balancing, or it could be a sign that something went wrong...

I suppose I could try and balance manually, but just wondering if the same thing happened to anyone else?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Should not be a problem. I guess the "btrfs-balancer allocation" found more free space than 13153337344 bytes and just skipped balance?
Your estimate on your usage pattern underlines the assumption of "no balance" necessary.
Mine went literally in seconds. I know heavy moving of podcast files recently "disturbed" the silence of my btrfs, so i was expecting balance and would have done allocation check manually if not proposed by installer ;)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

You were right - update to Sailfish 2 took a while, but went without an apparent hitch.

Cheers.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

@pichlio

After your suggestion im in the same situation than before, lets see with the new update.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

It was mosen's suggestion, not mine. And sorry it didn't work.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I am only repeating "Best of TJC" in hope it helps.
Also sorry it did not in your case!

Not wanting you to do a factory-reset just to try out but that would be my last attempt before giving up and calling HW fault.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yes factory reset is my last option but this is not a HW fault, is after 1.1.9 with a correct update, people is talking about a pre update for 2.0 called eineheminlampi too, ill wait to this update and see.

Thank you for your interest.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

My joy was short-lived. Less than a month has passed since that post and random reboots came back, with the new battery. Yesterday I took the phone out of the pocket to see it rebooted and stuck on the "enter SIM card PIN" screen three times. And the day before that too.

It does not usually happen in the shirt pocket, but is guaranteed to happen in the trousers pocket. So I assume vibrations caused by walking (or maybe flexing) have something to do with it. I cleaned the contacts again and as a last resort, will try the paper to prop up the battery. If that does not help, then goodbye Jolla, I cannot afford to have a phone I cannot rely on.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I am a little bit confused: to me it sounds normal that if the phone reboots, it will be "stuck" on enter SIM card pin, because that is a normal security check after every reboot (provided you have SIM card pin check enabled)

Reboots due to battery loose may be fixed by the paper prop up. It worked pretty well for me. Polar Cell battery however did not require this yet as it seems to fit just a little bit tighter.

If you get SIM card pin requests when phone is not rebooted:
Is your phone from end of 2013 batch?
Did you ever have your phone repaired for sim holder issue?
If so you better have it repaired for SIM holder issue first before ditching it.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

After cleaning the contacts I put a small drop of contact fluid on each of them. I also gently touched the pins (on the phone) several times with a toothpick to ensure the movement is free. I did not experienced any reboot since ages (read: lots of months).
Note that I do not use the paper trick any more.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

@ste-phan, sorry if I confused you. What I meant to say, who knows how many times the phone silently rebooted in my pocket before. If you keep your home screen clean, and I usually do, then you may not even notice. Only now that I set up a SIM card PIN, the reboots are more visible because of that extra screen.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

@Jordi
I was also plagued by frequent reboots, but after moving the pins up-down several times it is now gone since several months!

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Same here.