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Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365353)

I hope that NOKIA will eventually scoop up Jolla, if Jolla shows some semblance of success. That will be their new OS.

Jolla should stay independent.

NOKIA should negotiate a licensing agreement with Jolla though so they can give their hardware the high calibre OS it deserves.

Android's market share is now nearly 80%, the market really could do with another powerful OS on decent hardware to provide some much needed competition. It's just proving too easy for Android to pound crippled lightweights like iOS and WP into the ground.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

@Switch

Whilst I develop iPhone apps, I absolutely agree with you, OPEN is winning in spades without question or response.

Those peeps that don't get this will fail. period.

I have said it already, post #1592

The only way to compete with OPEN is to be "More Open" (tm).

Nokia and LumiaBrains don't stand a chance.

rgds

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The definition of winning is an elusive one. If you look by value, Apple is number one of all the companies. If you look at consumer, he/she is a big winner with all the competition. It all boils down who will deliver the best product for the masses. So you develop apps for iphone. Why? Because its a great ecosystem. I dont see you saying you used your open vs closed political persuasion to make a financial decision.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1365371)

Windows Phone global market share Q2 2012 = 3.6%
Windows Phone global market share Q2 2013 = 3.9%
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/1...marena_001.jpg

Yeah, WP is really sky rocketing isn't it? :rolleyes:

Sorry to help you with math. Do I see 50% rise in WP (Lumia numbers). You prove my point.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1365376)

I dont see a leader among Jolla members who can take it where it needs to be.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1365365)

n900 and earlier Maemo tablets: C and GTK
n9: C++, QML and Qt

Not a trivial transition, but the existence of the n900 an n9 proved that it could be done. And then the Microsoft trojan arrived...

I think what happened is that the Board said to the NOKIA leadership: you guys cant deliver, you are too slow, the transitions and products are not competitive, something needs to be done ASAP. Samsung already made a transition and we are stuck with dinosaur platforms. And we need someone outside of these stale hallways to shake things up. Hence Elop.

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365399)

Sorry to help you with math. Do I see 50% rise in WP (Lumia numbers). You prove my point.

You mean a ~8.5% rise in WP ???

3.9% / 3.6% = 1.083333

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Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1365413)

You mean a ~8.5% rise in WP ???

3.9% / 3.6% = 1.083333

Love the selective calculations. No wonder you will never be in charge of anything...........try it again with numbers that deal with actual devices sold (hint)

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

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Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1365413)

You mean a ~8.5% rise in WP ???

3.9% / 3.6% = 1.083333

I don't know what the margin of error is in those numbers but I suspect the 'increase' will be within it.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman

Sorry to help you with math. Do I see 50% rise in WP (Lumia numbers). You prove my point.

When absolute numbers are very small percentages can seem very impressive to those who lack understanding.

Despite a huge marketing spend (program after program I see on TV these days is 'Sponsored by NOKIA Lumia'), product release after product release, plummeting ASPs and skinny margins what have NOKIA got to show for it? An increase in market share that could just be a rounding error.

They're supposed to be making a huge push and all they've actually done is grow at the same rate as the overall market.

I look at most of their competitors and NOKIA are making much nicer hardware. LG's phones are so anonymous now I can't even think of one without Googling it yet they're outselling NOKIA. Why? Why aren't the Lumias selling in much higher volumes? The answer's obvious, if you're honest you must know it too.

Samsung sells bucket loads of Androids, when they put Windows Phone on the same hardware it doesn't sell. What more needs to be said?

Re: Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

@Lumiaman

The definition of winning could be considered as 80% market share, yes Apple has a great eco system, it was around before Android so it was a good starting place.

I am holding off porting my apps to Android which will take a fair few months just a bit longer to see if

QT becomes a viable option.
FirefoxOS becomes a viable option
Android IDE becomes nice
Jolla gets there
Javascript dies horribly in a heap
Java dies horribly in a heap
C becomes the worldwide standard

It used to be ABC, Anything But Chardonnay

Today its ABW, Anything But Windows

Nokia comes to its senses and fixes this horrible mess

rgds