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Kangal 2013-08-07 11:33
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365414)
Love the selective calculations. No wonder you will never be in charge of anything...........try it again with numbers that deal with actual devices sold (hint)
Oh, in that case you are wrong.
3.9% - 3.6% = 0.3% increase.

Your move, chump.

danramos 2013-08-07 11:36
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365399)
Sorry to help you with math. Do I see 50% rise in WP (Lumia numbers). You prove my point.
When you only have one customer and that person also buys another of your phone, it certainly can LOOK like you've shot up 50%. With such low numbers, compared to all of the competition, it's easy to rise and fall 50%--you're still the loser when you're near or in last place with such low market share.

uTMY 2013-08-07 12:06
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http://www.gizchai.com/2013/08/30000...iaomi-red.html

Just saying

rgds

rm42 2013-08-07 13:38
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Just for fun:

http://jimlynch.com/mobile/microsoft...ould-be-fired/

daperl 2013-08-07 14:10
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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365402)
I think what happened is that the Board said to the NOKIA leadership: you guys cant deliver, you are too slow, the transitions and products are not competitive, something needs to be done ASAP. Samsung already made a transition and we are stuck with dinosaur platforms. And we need someone outside of these stale hallways to shake things up. Hence Elop.
The only reason why Nokia went with WP instead of Android is because Microsoft bribed them. That's it. There's nothing else. If Nokia had gone with Android their long term possibilities could have been endless.

It was a desperate, stupid, myopic choice.

Lumiaman 2013-08-07 15:24
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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1365521)
The only reason why Nokia went with WP instead of Android is because Microsoft bribed them. That's it. There's nothing else. If Nokia had gone with Android their long term possibilities could have been endless.

It was a desperate, stupid, myopic choice.
I think your analysis is a bit myopic too. I think the money helped, but I do think that there was a substantial internal review and consultation on what makes sense for them. It is possible that Android didnt let them differentiate as much. It is possible that it would have hurt their navigation and mapping division if they went Android. You and I werent at those meetings. Lets leave it at that.

Lumiaman 2013-08-07 15:26
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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1365505)
Looks like Lumia 520 knockoff.

Lumiaman 2013-08-07 15:28
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Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1365497)
Oh, in that case you are wrong.
3.9% - 3.6% = 0.3% increase.

Your move, chump.
5.6 million to 8.9 million, let me take my calculator..........+60%.

Your move gump

Lumiaman 2013-08-07 15:32
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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1365485)
@Lumiaman

The definition of winning could be considered as 80% market share, yes Apple has a great eco system, it was around before Android so it was a good starting place.

I am holding off porting my apps to Android which will take a fair few months just a bit longer to see if

QT becomes a viable option.
FirefoxOS becomes a viable option
Android IDE becomes nice
Jolla gets there
Javascript dies horribly in a heap
Java dies horribly in a heap
C becomes the worldwide standard

It used to be ABC, Anything But Chardonnay

Today its ABW, Anything But Windows

Nokia comes to its senses and fixes this horrible mess

rgds
Symbian was at one point the largest producer of smartphones, yet we know how that ended. I think we have to look at how individual manufacturers are doing. By my account, Apple (closed system) was until recently the most valuable company in the world. Wow. With a single phone delivered on a yearly basis. Wow. And everyone is imitating them. It doesnt matter if open or closed, what matters is what are you delivering.

daperl 2013-08-07 16:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365543)
I think your analysis is a bit myopic too. I think the money helped, but I do think that there was a substantial internal review and consultation on what makes sense for them. It is possible that Android didnt let them differentiate as much. It is possible that it would have hurt their navigation and mapping division if they went Android. You and I werent at those meetings. Lets leave it at that.
It was all about the money. If mapping was a sticking point, then the smart move for Nokia would have been to put mapping in their back pocket for the immediate future. In the meantime, the S40 platform leaves plenty of room for Nokia to spread their mapping and navigation around.

Samsung is using Android as a bridge. WP is a bridge to nowhere. The board gave away the farm.


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