maemo.org - Talk - Let's talk Nokia stock. Really.

I think we have to look at how individual manufacturers are doing. By my account, Apple (closed system) was until recently the most valuable company in the world. Wow. With a single phone delivered on a yearly basis. Wow.

I always have to laugh when Apple fanboys boast about how hard they've been shafted, they see it as evidence of Apple's greatness rather than of their own gullibility :D

You've paid ten times over the odds for a crippled feature phone, sucker! I bet you bought cabbage patch dolls, pet rocks and go-go hamsters too.

Even the 'ecosystem' is all smoke and mirrors - a gazillion fart apps and the worst mapping system in the entire history of the cosmos, you'd be better off navigating by the stars.

Lumiaman

2013-08-07 17:53

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1365591)

Symbian was a 'producer' of smartphones? WTF are you talking about?

I always have to laugh when Apple fanboys boast about how hard they've been shafted, they see it as evidence of Apple's greatness rather than of their own gullibility :D

You've paid ten times over the odds for a crippled feature phone, sucker! I bet you bought cabbage patch dolls, pet rocks and go-go hamsters too.

Even the 'ecosystem' is all smoke and mirrors - a gazillion fart apps and the worst mapping system in the entire history of the cosmos, you'd be better off navigating by the stars.

I think your post sums you up. An angry old man.

gerbick

2013-08-08 03:51

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1365591)

Symbian was a 'producer' of smartphones? WTF are you talking about?

I've been trying to figure that one out.

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I always have to laugh when Apple fanboys boast about how hard they've been shafted, they see it as evidence of Apple's greatness rather than of their own gullibility

Given his name, you'd think he's a Microsoft fanboy first and foremost.

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You've paid ten times over the odds for a crippled feature phone, sucker! I bet you bought cabbage patch dolls, pet rocks and go-go hamsters too.

Out of curiosity, do you not think that Nokia was similarly overpriced for what you got? N900 excepted.

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Even the 'ecosystem' is all smoke and mirrors - a gazillion fart apps and the worst mapping system in the entire history of the cosmos, you'd be better off navigating by the stars.

Ah... ecosystem. That dirty word that Stephen Elop uses so damn much to absolutely no added effect while at the helm at Nokia.

Too bad the world's ecosystems (nature) are in a serious downturn and are severely polluted. Maybe that's what he's honestly referencing... the polluted ecosystems all around us.

Just look at Nokia for evidence of contamination.

uTMY	2013-08-08 07:55

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@Lumiaman

Apples closed ecosystem was built before Android, its not surprising it attracted a strong following.

Androids open ecosystem is now striding past Apple without so much as a backward glance.

The very best Nokia/Microsoft can hope to do by building yet another closed ecosystem is far worse than Apple.

The very best Nokia could do without Microsoft by opening its hardware fully would be far better than Android alone.

simples.

rgds

Dave999

2013-08-08 09:35

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http://blog.applause.com/wp-content/...versus-iOS.jpg

It's a two man fight. The rest is just not in the fight!

pichlo

2013-08-08 13:01

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365208)

The board members are usually highly accomplished individuals

I'm glad you used the word accomplished and not, for example, competent. Accomplishment has very little to do with competence and a lot to do with whose son/nephew you are.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365320)

Dave999, I always wanted to tell you one thing: YOU DA MAN!

Lumiaman, you had made a few good points before. The delivery sucked which earned you your deserved reputation as a troll but hey, nobody is perfect. But now I see you've really flopped.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365353)

Now N900, could have been much better, when everyone was doing capacitive, they went to resistant screen, it was a good phone, but not what people wanted.

I for one prefer resistive although I admit I may be in the minority.

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365399)

Sorry to help you with math. Do I see 50% rise in WP (Lumia numbers). You prove my point.

Is 3.9 50% more than 3.6?

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365414)

...........try it again with numbers that deal with actual devices sold (hint)

Yes, they can't be any lower, can they? In other words, Nokia has dropped from the position of a market leader interested in the market share figures back to the position of a start-up interested in absolute numbers. No need to say more, switch-hitter said the rest.

pichlo

2013-08-08 13:04

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Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1365376)

Jolla should stay independent.

NOKIA should negotiate a licensing agreement with Jolla though so they can give their hardware the high calibre OS it deserves.

But don't the two things go against each other? <A small company X> licensing its OS to Nokia would just mean the end of <a small company X>. Or at least the end of <a small company X>'s independency.

pichlo

2013-08-08 13:10

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1365521)

The only reason why Nokia went with WP instead of Android is because Microsoft bribed them. That's it. There's nothing else. If Nokia had gone with Android their long term possibilities could have been endless.

It was a desperate, stupid, myopic choice.

I see it as a gamble. They could have gone with Android and become Yet Another Android Vendor™. They chose to stand out by choosing a loser that no one else would touch with a barge pole, hoping that their past reputation and their superior hardware would bring the Windows Phoenix from the ashes. Unlike Mr. Lumianian though, I do not see any sign of that gamble paying out yet.

Lumiaman

2013-08-08 13:50

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What is this open versus closed delusion? The only reason Android has such domination is because they copied what MS did to Apple ages ago, by just being software company and providing their OS to multiple manufacturers. The same model that MS did for PCs and tries to do now. Android just got there ahead of MS, and is riding high. Openess is important in your minds, but not in the business models.

Lumiaman

2013-08-08 13:52

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1365804)

I'm glad you used the word accomplished and not, for example, competent. Accomplishment has very little to do with competence and a lot to do with whose son/nephew you are.

Lumiaman, you had made a few good points before. The delivery sucked which earned you your deserved reputation as a troll but hey, nobody is perfect. But now I see you've really flopped.

I for one prefer resistive although I admit I may be in the minority.

Is 3.9 50% more than 3.6?

Yes, they can't be any lower, can they? In other words, Nokia has dropped from the position of a market leader interested in the market share figures back to the position of a start-up interested in absolute numbers. No need to say more, switch-hitter said the rest.

Same thing can be said for BB. enough said.

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