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Of course, Jimmy Hoffa presented it.

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This looks like a very polished product. After seeing this, I don't understand why the jump to WP7. I suppose because what we are seeing is Maemo and not really Meego. To date, Meego has been Moblin and nothing of Maemo...

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No way I can keep up with this thread :) but looking at N9 I'll say no thanks. I hope my N900 USB port stays strong for more years. :P

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stop whine flash should die anyway HTML5 is here!!!

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I'm a little bit worried about the 3630 being too similar to the n900's 3530, I just hope Harmattan is a little more optimized. So far in the videos I've seen the phone runs pretty smoothly but I was hoping for blazing. Although it does make me hopeful for one day running the software on my n900. :D

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no flash, no hdmi, no replaceable battery, flashy announcement, flashy design, no hwkb, etc... etc...

...they've certainly learned a lot from Apple.

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check this video out its in Finnish but its a real hands on and he goes deep into thing. 6 minutes long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GmCxWwKcIs

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I think the Event home screen view can support widget like reporting, not only notifications. Though it is recommended that "The user must be allowed to remove event updates manually – the application should not delete them automatically."

I love widgets...

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no

i dont give a **** about HTML5 - i give a **** about what I can watch/listen to NOW on this phone.

until every web flash media stream is replaced by HTML 5, your point is irrelevant.

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does that imply that the N9 is able to play the keynote video and N9 product presentations from Nokia.com?

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just give me this phone in black w/a slide out qwerty and i give you $700

your move, mr elop

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well, maybe I need to add my 2 cents to this threat as well:
The N9 is IMHO the best phone ever done with open source. Yes, it does have "only" virtual key boards (and can have several of them installed at the same time and you can just swipe from one to the other language plus Swype). Yes, it's main orientation is portrait (and landscape is supported when it matters such as camera, messaging, email, browser...). Yes, the browser is "only" superb in HTML5 (but it is the first time you'll find webkit2 on board in open device).

I'm sure you will find all the things we built in for those that love open source including the option to install apps from other sources than the official store.

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in english : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSZss...&feature=feedu

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Some things I can probably say now:

- Yes, this is really more like an open, smarter iPhone than a N900 successor. Take it or leave it. :) But please don't assume that everyone on this site has the same preferences. There are many people here who value Maemo's openness, the Linux roots, or just it's overall coolness, but still want a phone that simply does the job very well without being specifically targeted towards geeks and hackers. Of course you'll still be able to hack it to your heart's content.

- Why MeeGo? Simple, this phone couldn't have been done with WP7 at this point! That is the strength of MeeGo, being able to do something new and somewhat different like this. Maybe its ideas will be incorporated into WP7 devices in the future (I hope so), but I don't expect that to be a quick process.

Sure, you won't have hundreds of thousands of apps for the N9 anytime soon, but not everyone needs that either. For those who don't, or who can live with a reasonable number of quality apps, the N9 out of the box provides an excellent, unique experience that _no_ other phone can deliver right now. It may also well be the only one of its kind. Ever.

- This phone is not about the specs. Having the fastest CPU is really not all that relevant in the grand scheme of things. With the N9, the star is not the hardware or the software alone, the star is the team. It is little details, which define the overall experience. For example, the fairly large bezel was mentioned a few times. This bezel is completely smooth curved glass, which provides the necessary surface to conveniently swipe from the outside of the screen. Without the swipe gesture, the bezel would just be wasted space, with the swipe gesture it becomes an integral part of the experience. That is one little example of how everything fits together, and you really can't judge the N9 as a sum of its parts.

- The N9 is much higher profile than the N900 ever was in Nokia, and even the N900 wasn't that horrible to live with overall now, was it? You can be certain that the N9 will receive more attention (both from Nokia, and the developer community), whether there will ever be a successor or not. If that is good enough for you or you'd rather put up with a lesser device with plenty of apps, that is up to you.

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LAG!
/10char

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So is there a patent for this new ''slide'' $hit then ??!

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if it has a decent mediaplayer it should be no problem!

flash != movie. its just a broken crap containerformat on top of some flash and should die! simple is that! no copmany should support this kind of **** anyway.

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use maemo not iOS..

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so if i see correct in these videos, even the multitasking is ****ed up, cause when he swipes the movie in the background it stops playing. that's no real multitasking there :( surprise, surprise!

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Thats a lot of words to say

1. OS is open.
2. Has a Good UI.
3. MAY get more support (haha) then n900

On no. 3 - I will believe it when I see it. Higher profile ? who cares - until I SEE the support/updates I will not believe Nokia. N900 taught me that.

No way I will buy this now.

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I just want to let everyone know I've been waiting for +18months for this device (should've bought the n900 & not listened to negativity, my bad)

BUT I had ZERO idea Nokia would be the kind of company that would produce a device i wanted to pay for and then not actually sell it (dev device w/keyboard)

i also just got a family member to buy 2000 shares @5.85 hoping they were about to get it together ... how is the stock going to rebound when they don't offer to sell devices people want and don't give people a release date for the new phone ....

if they had a pre-order up right now they could effectively guage interest in the device and act accordingly, even the keyboard version ...

pi$$ed

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Maybe the app is made that way, what's the point of playing video in background?

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if i remember right, close app is long press but im not sure.

also, for the weather, you can see in this video: at 40ish seconds that in the feeds view, there is in the upper right corner a small cloud icon indicating the current weather. not as good as a real widget, but maybe it can be customized...

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STFU whiners take it or leave it, no need to nitpick over stupid things

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Hmm, a PowerVR GPU. I guess there will be no open drivers for that.

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ehhh?????

Play vid in background? why? its not even like that on the n900. dont know whats your problem dude.

He said clearly that its live multitasking but of course a video will stop if you cant see it.

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Sorry, was busy playing with the N9 and only started tweeting after the event.

I've used the N9 for good 45minutes or so. Going through many things, recording videos of many parts of the phone while navigating through the OS, swiping and more swiping etc. I should have been more organized with what I needed to document but failed as I didn't write it up before it. =P

But yeah, I got to use it. It had no SIM card and I didn't have any Micro SIM to try out the online components unfortunately. But still did a lot of swiping around tryingto get familiar with how it works.

I will be quick here as I have a lot to write up about it on my blog with videos after I edit it a bit. Hopefully I can write up a bit and post it up by tonight. But yeah, that depends...

Anyways:

1. UI interaction feels great once you get used to it. Multitasking is super quick. You can switch between apps quicker than any other phone period. (except for maybe the N900) Seriously this is the best part of the N9. So different to any other OS in terms of how you can interact.

2. OS is super simple. Only thing you can customize is the location of the icons and the wallpaper in the lock screen. That's pretty much it. There is no "home" screen as such with widgets at all. It still has a long way to go till it is more "complete" but I guess it's pretty impressive nonetheless for version 1.0 that it is. (well, the test device I had is even an earlier build than the one shown off at Singapore)

3. Phone feels hefty. Feels super solid. Feels like it's made out of solid metal. In terms of pure hw quality feel in hand, this is as good as it comes. It's also very unique due to the single piece solid coloured molded body. It's definitely a looker. Especially the Cyan/Pink versions.

4. While playing a video with the default player, if you swipe it to the side, video pauses. I was quite disappointed when that happened. (but I guess that happens with N900 also unless you use mplayer) So yeah, I hope this can be modified or a 3rd party player will allow persistent playback even when it's put in to the background. (yeah, it's just what I want even if nobody else wants it. lol)

Overall, I was disappointed (the techy geek in me) and also very impressed/excited at the same time. I can't wait till the developers get s a hold of this phone/OS and see what they can do with it. Potential is definitely there. Really happy to see it have 1GB of RAM also. It is also a device you can easily recommend in confidence to your family/friends unlike the N900.

I'll sure be busy tonight! (I'm no good at video editing...)

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True multi-tasking, video pausing is a design decision. It is up to apps to decide how they scale down their battery use while in the background.

Games also obviously pause when you move them to the background, it would be insane if they wouldn't. With movies I can understand that sometimes you might want to listen to the audio in the background, but in the vast majority of cases, pausing is probably what you want.

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so true! take it or leave it. all of a sudden people are nitpicking ridiculous things, what a shame

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Reminds me of the N900 annoucement discussion when it became a bit more consumer like device with phone functions and more pocketable. :D

Me myself was most interested about the UI and it delivered big time. To repeat myself the HDMI is still the biggest downer to me, but i guess i could live with my ipad 2 as HDMI out and airplay media hub like it is now.
Though this device needs to come out in Q3.

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Glancing at the video, so when you close an app you have to swipe away the current one and close it from the open apps view?

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does anybody knows if there is USB to HDMI??? Would make sense to me. formfactor is nearly to small for a HDMI port itself... or at least video out over jack....

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is it possible that the N9 use mhdl for hdmi output? would be cool.

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Maybe somebody in the know could tell if OMAP3630 is able to support that?

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MHL to HDMI usb to hdmi....

MHL soll als neuer Standard etabliert werden und neben Samsung sind auch Unternehmen wie Nokia, Sony und Toshiba im Boot, was die Unterstützung von MHL angeht. MHL steht dabei für Mobile High Definition Link und verbindet wahlweise das Galaxy S II mit dem TV oder mit einem anderen MHL-fähigen Gerät wie beispielsweise das bald erscheinende HTC Sensation. Im Clip seht ihr die Technologie im Einsatz – das Jammern bezüglich des fehlenden HDMI-Ausgangs sollte also ein Ende haben. Generell könnte die Technologie die HDMI-Ausgänge an Smartphones bald obsolet werden lassen, bei Samsung setzt man daher auf das richtige Pferd.

MHL is to be established as the new standard and in addition to Samsung are also companies like Nokia, Sony and Toshiba in the boat when it comes to support of MHL. MHL stands for Mobile High Definition Link and selectively connects the Galaxy II, with the TV or with another MHL-enabled device such as the upcoming HTC sensation. In the clip you can see the technology in use - the whining regarding the lack of HDMI output should therefore have an end. In general, the technology could the HDMI outputs of smartphones will soon be obsolete, at Samsung, one therefore relies on the right horse.

http://www.netbooknews.de/40787/sams...nologie-video/

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guys what about bootloaders? any ideas? can we use nit/ubuntu/debian and so on N9 in future?
and kernel power, can we increase frequences?

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Overall I'm quite surprised about how nice device and UI they have come up with. UI is simple and super-fluid and the device looks really nice.

I was kind of expecting something really horrible like N97. This really shows what they can do for the first time since 1996; it's a historical moment.

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The UX is described here:

http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Home.html

Doesn't seem like what a widget would provide. This will be a clustered mess. Imagine getting a Weather update every once in a while as a event or your calendar sending event notifications when you scheduled your class times while having to manually remove it. A widget provided an indirect way of notifying whereas this is more direct and relies more on a text based event.

Also the weather app seems like an inbuilt client, or is it the accuweather app appearing as a widget?

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Correct! After a poll on talk.maemo.org about multitasking/the closing apps (long time ago) we decided to add means for the user to close one or all apps directly from open application view (similar to N900). At some point, we considered not to have this option but gracefully shutting down the apps automatically,,,

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can we axpect a 4G device by nokia.?