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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zjYfQcJQ_Y

at sec 12 you can see the usb and micro-sim slot

so definitely no hdmi

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There is a standalone AccuWeather app but it interates also with the "news" view. The weather doesn't pop up new entries all the time but there is one weather entry at the top that is updated frequently.

EDIT: fixed typo

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Ok, I confess this was a BIG letdown.

By no means does it look like an inferior product, and hopefully there will be consumer demand, but I'm just missing too much functionality. Too many of the great things are... gone.

The simplified UI, while fine for consumers, is a factor that (when combined with the expected nonsupport) will make the simple UI even worse without quality apps (yeah yeah, QT..... right - I have that now).

No FM trans, no removable battery (WHY? WHY?), no adobe flash, no IR (one of the few I actually understand), no SD slot, no capacitive/stylus screen, no uber hardware specs...... and of course no hardware keyboard. Not even giving us any innovative (swipe my ***) tech to replace the BIG loss of the keyboard. I just can't understand the hype around SWIPING the screen, Cmmon!

To the people that actually used the device, could you please tell us what the vkb use is like? Both portrait and landscape use...

And to all who saw the device before it got announced (especially the testers who hyped up the "never seen this before I just pissed in my pants" screen tech - you know, the ones who said we wouldn't NEED a hwkbd), could you tell us what that was all about? Please? Was something left out of the consumer device?

Not looking too inspiring.

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So am I understanding that you can't close an app when it is fullscreen and running. The only way is to swipe to the 'open apps' window to select which ones to close?

That seems awfully redundant and there should also be a way to close an app while it is running fullscreen.

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it needs keyboard and xenon flash, ....and adobe flash :<

other than that great OS. i wish they release more version maybe i can get my 12mpx xenon flash qwerty one with adobe flash :<

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Thanks for the clarification, but could you expand on that? Is the weather entry at the top part of the accuweather app? Or is it standalone, and designed by Nokia?

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Sure. I'm still confident that it is the best VKB implementation of any phone on the market right now, though the margins are certainly very slim.

It's a pleasure to type on it, and surprisingly I'm fastest on the portrait VKB (with two thumbs, but one thumb is convenient enough). I'm also considerably faster with it than the N900 hardware keyboard, and that after only a moderate amount of practice.

YMMV of course, but it's pure quality. The context sensitivity adds additional convenience. If you want to hack directly on the device you probably still want an external keyboard (to see all of vim, and such...), but for everything else I don't see the point.

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I have mixed feelings...

UI is AWESOME. I like it very much.
But hardware is so, so. By the time when it will be available worldwide I will be able to get SGS2 30% less than starting price and 40% less than starting price of N9. And while UI of N9 is awesome on the side of SGS2 stands: better support from producer; hardware of 4-5 month handset still better than new player; width and depth of *cough*ecosystem*cough* of applications which MeeGo/Harmattan wont equal for loooong time.

No Adobe Flash, no mention of HDMI or DLNA.

I am afraid AWESOMENESS of UI isn't enough to overcome hardware shortcomings.

I really, really wanted to buy this phone but...

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Stop whinning ! This is just nitpicking the small points !

Just look at that beautiful UI !

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It's both - a standalone Accuweather app that also feeds it's information into the Events view. Similar to the Associated Press View that also can feed information to the Events view. Or the RSS Feed reader app or any 3rd-party apps that can send stuff into the feeds...

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this OS needs more devices please let it HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!.

such amazing OS going to waste, get n8 put meego in it!

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I used the device today. Virtual keyboard just felt very similar to iPhone4's VKB. The default VKB does not have 2-way keys (so thereis no hold to get number etc) and there is no special gestures to get uppercase by swiping up on a key etc. It was basic as it comes. By no means it was "bad", but it wasn't anything special either. I had a lot of mis-types on the N9's VKB just as I would do on Android/iPhone. (heck, Android's gingerbread VKB is much better imo)

And no, there wasn't any extra-layer touchy-feely tech. :(

BTW, this N9 better have Korean support. (Input also) As Nokia is the only company that doesn't seem to care about globally available Asian languages support. This is the MAIN reason why all my friends/relatives do not even think about buying a Nokia.

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Its not about whining, its like making 1 step forward
and 2 steps backward in my opinion.

I am pretty sure that many N900 users think so.
Nevertheless, I hope that the N9 will have success
as I see the efforts of the developers etc


Blues

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There is a very brief sight of the on-screen keyboard in this video, at around 1:21.

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what is a mcro sim.? is this different from normal sim.?

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Hi Peter, it's been so long since we heard from you.
Will there be an Instinctiv for the n9?

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I just love the STFU comments. Whats wrong with you people, behaving like the worst fanboy, this is a forum where people can state their opinion, good or bad.

Many people had grater expectations for this device, it might not be Nokias fault but they raised the bar quite high with the N900.
In my opinion, the N9 can't jump over that bar.

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At first I was like WHAAAAA...? I CAN'T HAZ N900 v2.0?

But when the initial shock subsided and saw the first few videos, I began to warm to it, or at least suspend my doubts. A lot of what I loved on the N900 is still there: open source OS under the hood, seemingly excellent multitasking and browser.

Of course, there's a lot that left a sour taste in my mouth: no hardware keyboard, no real desktop, and a lot of missing hardware tidbits (FM transmitter, HDMI etc). It also seems less focused on power-usery, hacky stuff.

What remains to be seen is how hackable the device is. A slick UI does not preclude raw linux love, and if I can root it, hack it, and change it to my liking, if I see great open source, geeky apps in repositories, then I think I can love that phone. I have to see that UI up close and personal before I make conclusions though.

Frankly, I think that if there were no Maemo, if all we had to live by was android, ios, bb and webOS, we'd be having multiple geeky orgasms by now. I expect it to be the most hackable current OS bar none (excluding maemo of course).

The N900 has been a class of its own. Unfortunately, its awesome nerdiness means that it scarred the average customer away. If done well, a compromise between nerdiness and ease of use can make both equally correct and complete: you have a nice layer of smooth UI goodness on top, and an infinitely hackable OS chugging underneath. WebOS proved it can be done.

Edit: forgot to say, the only thing I definitely, absolutely hate with the heat of a thousand suns is the non-removable battery. Why? WHY?!

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Why the hell did they get rid of the desktop? I think the N900 interface with some improvements would have been perfect. I am a more conservative guy, I really hate 'innovation' where everything changes just for the sake of change.

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Oh, I agree the UI looks beautiful.

Since when is discussing hardware nitpicking the small points, however?

My decision to buy internet tablets from Nokia has always been hardware centric (with the open source prerequisite, of course).

It's always been a question of:

- hwkbd vs. vkbd
- resistive vs. capacitive
- 1 SD slot vs. 2 SD slot
- phone vs. no phone

Now, I honestly feel (no, I haven't tested the N9 yet, and yes, I'm sure it's a faster beast than the N900) like switching to the N9 isn't really much of an upgrade. Dali, maybe - but Lankku doesn't convince me yet.

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http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/new...MIMicroUSB.jpg

Galaxy S Can Do HDMI Out Via Micro USB Port - i hope N9 as well...

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/galax...cro-usb-port-1

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damn! i don't know what will be my next phone. n9 is a sexy beast and you will really have a unique identity in the sea of ios and android. n950 is not bad either and the closest upgrade from n900 minus adobe flash, ir, and fm(?). htc doubleshot with a stable support...

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it says 'TV Out'
simply cant be nothing else than hdmi
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...cations/N9-00/

edit: good morning btw i woke up to the better world ;)

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Why battery can't be removed? Design had higher priority. Naturally, care and maintenance centres know how to their job... nothing to worry.

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the one that iphone 4 and ipad uses. just cut the sim card's cardboard parts and you will be left with the chip. that's a micro sim...

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TV Out means most probably the 3,5mm Multi-A/V out

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Local Connectivity
Bluetooth 2.1 +EDR
Bluetooth Stereo Audio
Micro USB
NFC
Nokia AV 3.5mm means Audio/Video
USB 2.0 High-Speed
USB Mass Storage

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i think we need a sacarsm emote - I do I do

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What does USB Mass Storage mean? Use the phone as mass storage device or USB OTG?

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* N950 supports Bluetooth version 2.1+EDR, whereas N9 supports
version 4.0

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mass-storage = use it like an usb stick.

no usb-otg :(

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@peter: Yes, I know that it was done to keep the dimensions down. I just don't especially like it. Removing the battery was a great way of resetting the phone in a hurry if it's gone haywire, and I I usually carry two batteries with me, in case I need more juice. Also, with a removable battery, higher density, third-party batteries can be used.

I don't doubt that the service department know their jobs, I just think that the one piece of tech that is the achilles heel of every power hungry superphone should be quickly accessible and swappable by the user.

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Remember that list of missing features 2000 posts ago? Remember that the N900 was also advertised to have 1Gb of memory? Nonono I'm not going for the extra 54 pixels thank you very much

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1. Choice
2. Maintenance centres usually don't. Really. Lots to worry about there.
3. Removable batteries have saved my *** many times. Mostly when travelling or being away from a source of electricity. The N9 has what, 4.5 hours of battery juice when watching a movie, right? (Think of the N900 with the USB problems without removable batteries....)

On a side note, congrats to you Peter and all those that developed the N9. I hope it has a lot of consumer success and perhaps even convinces Nokia that it should rethink its WP7 strategy. The UI does look sweet.

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I'm not sure I got that one right now:

Did you plan to keep N900-like multitasking after the poll and change your mind later on so that now application will just shut down at random, like on Android phones?

Or was it the other way round: Applications will still be closed manually in Harmattan, only at one time during the development process you had the idea you'd go the Android route?

:confused:

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this maybe? DC-11

@ least as a 2nd battery; as far as "hardware reset" goes, maybe they simply don't want the device to be used that way (i.e.: as a hacker dev)?

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Seconded :)

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The last time i saw you on the forum was when the n900 was coming out lol. I need to know do you think the web browser on the n9 is better then the the one on the n900 also do you think there will be a way to download flash in the the browser from the nokia marketplace or any other possible way?

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It means the 3.5mm jack. Like on the Galaxy S.

Like i said already it's most likely 512mb where rest is swap. On OMAP3430/N900 it was 256mb and rest was swap.

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@misterc: Yes, I know that. Still it is suboptimal for a device that you want to carry in one hand and in a pants pocket. I can see carrying that in a backpack a last-ditch attempt to resuscitate the phone.

As for the battery-pullout-reset thing: I don't know about that. I don't think that removing that feature played any significant role in their decision to scrub the removable battery; I read that simply as collateral damage.