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uTMY 2013-08-09 07:53

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@Lumiaman

Being reduced to name calling Lumiaman is not the greatest sign of intelligence.

You will note I have always referred to you by your chosen name except in a few rare cases for comic effect.

My opinions are my own as I am sure are Switches. Please don't continue your derogatory tone.

You are however right, I was mistaken on one of my comments by reversing the order in which Microsoft arrived at being convicted as an illegal monopolist.

I recognised my unintended and genuine mistake and corrected it in the next post, this is not a trait I have witnessed in your posts.

Other than that let me help you understand.

I "couldn't" care less about your unsubstantiated ramblings because I already care as little as it is possible to care, ie, there is no room left for lesser care.

however if I "could" care less about them then it would mean I currently care enough about your ramblings to then be able to care less, which I don't.

I do however care about Switches comments and others as they rely on clear statements with facts to support their discussion unlike you who try to manufacture evidence through heresay and rumour which is not a trait deserving of respect.

rgds

ps. As I said to you once before, fish ... hook, as long as I am keeping you busy in here I consider I am doing other forums a service by preventing your disruption of them.

Also by clearly countering falsehoods in here with evidence prevents attempts to use your comments as facts to rewrite history at some juncture in the future as you tried to do with the 2nd hand editorials.

Rauha 2013-08-09 08:40

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Originally Posted by uTMY (Post 1365961)


I "couldn't" care less about your unsubstantiated ramblings because I already care as little as it is possible to care, ie, there is no room left for lesser care.

however if I "could" care less about them then it would mean I currently care enough about your ramblings to then be able to care less, which I don't.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv...tgrzo1_400.jpg

uTMY 2013-08-09 09:06

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@Rauha

Nice.

Exactly my point.

couldn't care less == nil

rgds

Dave999 2013-08-09 09:26

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The new budge iphone:

http://www.gizmochina.com/wp-content...st-iPhone5.jpg

Will this boost the apple stock?

danramos 2013-08-09 09:53

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1365809)
I see it as a gamble. They could have gone with Android and become Yet Another Android Vendor™. They chose to stand out by choosing a loser that no one else would touch with a barge pole, hoping that their past reputation and their superior hardware would bring the Windows Phoenix from the ashes. Unlike Mr. Lumianian though, I do not see any sign of that gamble paying out yet.

Yet Another Android Vendor™ like Samsung, LG, Asus, HTC, and every other company doing far, far better than Nokia and, in many cases, making their own differentiated flavors of Yet Another Android™ and the hardware that runs them.

What are you trying to argue in favor of?

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Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1365822)
What is this open versus closed delusion? The only reason Android has such domination is because they copied what MS did to Apple ages ago, by just being software company and providing their OS to multiple manufacturers. The same model that MS did for PCs and tries to do now. Android just got there ahead of MS, and is riding high. Openess is important in your minds, but not in the business models.

I don't seem to remember Microsoft ever opening up the source code to Windows in large or smart part to the world. They weren't as "open," as you seem to repeatedly suggest unless you mean being able to install software from any source--which Microsoft intends to fix with their Windows 8 Microsoft app store and related lock-down of the system. It doesn't seem to be as embraced by the public as they'd hoped, though. There seems to be a big difference there which might make Android a far more of a solid replacement for the foreseeable future--it's largely open-source AND able to install software from other sources besides Google's own. By contrast, Blackberry and Apple closed-source everything and locked everything down as much as they can AND they both beat Android to the smartphones long before Android became popular--and they've lost traction to the Android platform, even on tablets.

I'm not sure that the argument of 'one license' for all the vendors explains it well enough when even the executives at Nokia are crying about how Microsoft' closed nature and rigid template for their OS's hardware and software changes limits Nokia's ability to make their own flavor of device--ironic, considering pichlo's attempt to portray Android device vendors as "Yet Another Android Vendor™." It seems to me that whatever "freedoms" Nokia was allowed under their deal with Microsoft, it's not really been realized in any way that has done them any good. To be honest, I don't really see any differentiation between a Lumia and a Samsung or anybody else's Windows Phones.. they all seem to look and run the same on pretty much the same set of hardware no matter what color or shape the phone looks like--I can't say that for Android where there's so much variation that opponents are always crying 'fragmentation!' left and right.

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1365981)
The new budge iphone:

http://www.gizmochina.com/wp-content...st-iPhone5.jpg

Will this boost the apple stock?

This begs the question:How is this one any different from other iPhones with maybe the exception of the iPhone 5's AMAZINGLY loooooong but tiny screen?

Dave999 2013-08-09 10:02

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the screen is looooooooooong but tiny as well, but add to that much cheaper.

pichlo 2013-08-09 12:45

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1365991)
What are you trying to argue in favor of?

Nah, just trying to see it from their POV. Nokia had for years been the Big Dog in the game. It is difficult for them to accept that they have become the Average Joe. I am not advocating that stand, just explaining it.

uTMY 2013-08-09 15:19

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@Pichlo

The things is Nokia still produces excellent hardware, restricting their smartphone portfolio to only Microsoft does not allow them to differentiate.

They could easily open the specs and allow 3rd party Android and other OS vendors to build a rich competitive landscape.

This would put them squarely back on top.

Right now they are hog tied to a disaster waiting to happen in slow motion.

rgds

Lumiaman 2013-08-09 18:12

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Its interesting to see other people's point of view....

http://www.wpcentral.com/shipments-w...er-competitors

daperl 2013-08-09 18:29

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I don't even need a thousand words, when three will do:

Windows Phone blows

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