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kanishou

2011-06-21 08:58

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034251)

also - does anyone know, in the browser, what happens with swiping? i liked my boomarks coming from the side etc. .. does this still happen?

No, you have top sites and can add shortcuts to the home screen. Simple but I find it perfectly sufficient, as there is good URL suggestion too.

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on the plus side, device is very attractive - but adobe flash, not a youtube player.. is a deal breaker for me.. full desktop experience is a must!

YouTube can serve HTML5 videos, and the experience is excellent. Flash for videos is horrible on mobiles, and its only justification is that seeing something is (usually) better than seeing nothing.

MoJo	2011-06-21 09:02

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Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing (Post 1034184)

It's both - a standalone Accuweather app that also feeds it's information into the Events view. Similar to the Associated Press View that also can feed information to the Events view. Or the RSS Feed reader app or any 3rd-party apps that can send stuff into the feeds...

Thanks Peter, that actually sounds really cool then. So long as the notifications and events don't clutter and remains highly organized then it is a win.

I will really think hard about this phone. I may just buy it to support MeeGo in the end, my current phone is the N900 but I did have a Dell Venue Pro running WP7 which is now bricked ... boy these are expensive toys.

zymo	2011-06-21 09:04

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Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 1034325)

Sounds like we have a discrepancy:

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...cations/N9-00/

Search on GPS and only A-GPS is referenced.

it says "GPS Features - A-GPS“ is the meaning of you got a gps chip and in addition it has the „special feature“ of assisted gps.

zlatokosi

2011-06-21 09:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1034329)

Ah, okay. Let's see.

- No front-facing buttons, intuitive swipe UI.

The list could go on, but I think your claim has been sufficiently refuted. The duel between the iPhone and the N9 will be a worthy one. N9 is lacking the apps (and possibly future), but is clearly superior in many other regards.

Kanishou, thanks for all the info. I'm especially glad that browsing is good, even better than N900 you say. Excellent.

About your list, though. Can you please tell me why the no front-facing buttons thing is being advertised as something new and cool? (the N900 doesn't have them either...)?

Because the only reason I can think of, is that the iPhone DOES have a button on the screen. And judging by availability markets for the N9, I can't help but conclude there was only one thing Nokia was thinking about when designing this phone: the iPhone 4. And global markets where the iPhone hasn't taken the biggest share of smartphones yet.

And I highly doubt your list could go on and on....

I just didn't want an iPhone replacement, but an N900 replacement. And if Nokia is about to abandon this ecosystem (you know it will), I don't know why they didn't do it the N900 way. Sorry.

erendorn

2011-06-21 09:13

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the nokia site clearly says "Integrated GPS, A-GPS receivers"
Same stuff in a pdf spec sheet I can't find anymore.

m4r0v3r

2011-06-21 09:13

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

time to buy a second n900

nikrohr

2011-06-21 09:17

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http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/u.../326932798.jpg

fist pic of a black dev 950 device....

geohsia

2011-06-21 09:21

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by erendorn (Post 1034354)

the nokia site clearly says "Integrated GPS, A-GPS receivers"
Same stuff in a pdf spec sheet I can't find anymore.

Thanks for the clarification.

tkatchev

2011-06-21 09:21

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Sorry, but what you wrote is a seriously misguided attempt to spin and twist an uncomfortable truth.

There are only two true advantages to the N9 vs. the iPhone, as far as I can see it:

- True multitasking

- Community repo for the N9, if it ever materialises. So far there are talks of it being 'possible', not concrete specifics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1034329)

Ah, okay. Let's see.

- "Jailbreak" is a disclaimer away, rather than a hack away.

- A beautifully solid piece of hardware.

- No front-facing buttons, intuitive swipe UI.

- Tight integration of a large number of social services into contacts, dialer, global presence, and so on.

- True multi-tasking with excellent UI for it.

- Better camera.

- Call quality / no interrupted signal etc.

- A great notifications system (iOS is adding something similar now, but neither better, nor cheaper, nor earlier).

- NFC

The list could go on, but I think your claim has been sufficiently refuted. The duel between the iPhone and the N9 will be a worthy one. N9 is lacking the apps (and possibly future), but is clearly superior in many other regards.

Donbabbeo

2011-06-21 09:22

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Any HDMI-related accessory? Something similar to the NFC Bluetooth speaker?

pabs3

2011-06-21 09:24

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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1034368)

Community repo for the N9, if it ever materialises. So far there are talks of it being 'possible', not concrete specifics.

Seems like just adding another line to your /etc/apt/sources.list should make it easy to add non-Nokia packages.

Kozzi

2011-06-21 09:27

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btw more pictures and preview done by cuhiep @ tinhte.vn

http://www.tinhte.vn/communicasia-no...crosim-738686/

http://media.tinhte.vn/photo/var/res...g?m=1308668869

and in vietnamese of course.

kanishou

2011-06-21 09:30

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034347)

About your list, though. Can you please tell me why the no front-facing buttons thing is being advertised as something new and cool? (the N900 doesn't have them either...)?

Because the only reason I can think of, is that the iPhone DOES have a button on the screen. And judging by availability markets for the N9, I can't help but conclude there was only one thing Nokia was thinking about when designing this phone: the iPhone 4. And global markets where the iPhone hasn't taken the biggest share of smartphones yet.

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And I highly doubt your list could go on and on....

I said it could go on, not "on and on". :) There are things I don't know or can't think of which the N9 does better, and then there are smaller innovative details which you will learn to appreciate if you use the phone for a while (e.g. how to unlock the phone).

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I just didn't want an iPhone replacement, but an N900 replacement. And if Nokia is about to abandon this ecosystem (you know it will), I don't know why they didn't do it the N900 way. Sorry.

You know the back-story of the N9, it was meant to be Nokia's primary smartphone contender. You will have to forget about the N900 to truly appreciate it.

If it's not for you, then I'm sorry about that and you will have to move on. But I believe that most people will find the N9 a very enjoyable phone to use, and this time this includes all the demographics.

LTman

2011-06-21 09:40

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hey have you noticed the curved gorrila glass in the pdf spec sheet

geohsia

2011-06-21 09:42

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikrohr (Post 1034361)

http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/u.../326932798.jpg

fist pic of a black dev 950 device....

Where's the buy now button?

morbid

2011-06-21 09:44

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This really does look like an awesome phone for someone who prefers portrait mode and no physical keyboard.

But an N900 successor/replacement it is not. For almost the last 8 years, my *Nokia* phones have been landscape (more or less) + physical keyboard phones... the 6820, 9300i, and N900.

The "developer" phone really does look like the true successor to the N900... and it would be a real shame (and dumb) if Nokia actually has decent stock of it and won't sell it to their devoted enthusiasts. If they don't ever sell it, then I just hope the next Meego phone will succeed the N900 before my N900 dies.... or else I'll be forced to look elsewhere for a replacement.

Again... the N9 does look great, but it is totally not a phone for me.

qwazix

2011-06-21 09:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1034356)

time to buy a second n900

already did that :)

but I want a Dali too

Frappacino

2011-06-21 09:45

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

This phone targets the same demographic of the iphone (pretty UI and easy to use !) without all of Apple's ecosystem muscle behind it. (Trying to out Apple Apple).

Add to that Nokia has declared WP is its priority, Meego is a side project AT BEST. You are not going to get commercial devs to buy in to this when the vendor is not supporting it 100%.

What do you think is going to happen ?

LTman

2011-06-21 09:45

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a few questions
does it sport a memory expansion slot
how do you think that the webkit browser will be compared with the n900 geckobased browser

MoJo	2011-06-21 09:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1034382)

I frankly don't see what you are getting it. I believe the N900 is the only other major smartphone without front facing buttons, but the N9 makes it a lot more powerful with the swipe gesture (as the N900 basically just forces applications to provide the button themselves, and you get stuck if they don't). Not having this button is cool, because it means more screen in the usable area of the phone. :) Of course you could cramp buttons in the small area below the screen, but that's not ergonomic in the least.

I believe that the swipe beats all current solutions in terms of ergonomics.

I said it could go on, not "on and on". :) There are things I don't know or can't think of which the N9 does better, and then there are smaller innovative details which you will learn to appreciate if you use the phone for a while (e.g. how to unlock the phone).

You know the back-story of the N9, it was meant to be Nokia's primary smartphone contender. You will have to forget about the N900 to truly appreciate it.

If it's not for you, then I'm sorry about that and you will have to move on. But I believe that most people will find the N9 a very enjoyable phone to use, and this time this includes all the demographics.

Lets calm down about the swiping gesture. It's fine and all but it is in no way more superior to Maemo's desktop full of icons and the multitasking grid of apps, and the list of available apps. The Fremantle experience was a pure powerful desktop experience that was very touch friendly and efficient. Swiping through windows and at times not knowing where you are swiping to is more hap-hazard then the way it is on the N900. Even the way it left notifications was superior and intuitive.

I am sure most on this board would agree as well.

Also what buttons does the N900 force you to have? A task switcher? A close button? They are just as important and necessary as well. Freeing up real estate for the screen is the tradeoff the N900 Maemo experience makes to getting things done quickly as well.

max_power

2011-06-21 09:53

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clearly nokia is targeting a wider audience with the N9, which are expecting a phone from nokia. maybe the mobile computer with the phone as application is not mainstream ready yet and honestly this sucks, i would have liked a new mobile computer.

SAABoy

2011-06-21 09:54

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by vvaz (Post 1034180)

I am afraid AWESOMENESS of UI isn't enough to overcome hardware shortcomings.

never thought we'd be hearing this about a nokia smartphone... awesome ui, hardware shortcomings...

btw care to expand on the pricing u mentioned above?

LTman

2011-06-21 09:56

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i use shortcutd an app that make the halfpressed camera button a way to get to the task switcher

zlatokosi

2011-06-21 09:58

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Even the swiping function exists on the N900... Its just not implemented throughout the OS. Think of showing browsing history in Microb...

SAABoy

2011-06-21 10:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1034416)

i use shortcutd an app that make the halfpressed camera button a way to get to the task switcher

its probably been a matter of months since ive gone to the dashboard using the top left touch button... i think maemo gods and the dev everyday for the keyboard shortcut and shortcutd

kanishou

2011-06-21 10:15

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 1034400)

What's going to happen is quite simple. We get an amazing phone and Nokia merrily moves on with their strategy. :)

Everything else, why don't we just let it play out and see? If you need a guaranteed, safe future of your phone's ecosystem, maybe you don't want to take the risk. Get the phone if you think it does what you want from it, out of the box. Whether it does so or not, most of you will probably find easier to answer after the first in-depth reviews are out.

zlatokosi

2011-06-21 10:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by selfish_russian (Post 1034437)

Besides smart-dial, what about copy/paste?

It's there, on one of the videos. Basically like "open in new window" action when you press and hold on a link in Microb.

vi_	2011-06-21 10:28

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Can this thread be re-named to:

'the epic n9 disappointment thread'?

kevloral

2011-06-21 10:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MoJo (Post 1034067)

Battery life seems decent, I love the NFC capabilities, the swipe theme is clever, and every time Marko speaks he evangelizes the product something I think this release has done so well so far.

By the way, does anybody know which NFC capabilities it does have? Reader/writer, peer2peer, card emulation? Any embedded SE? SWP support?

jnack95

2011-06-21 10:51

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I am completely underwhelmed....this would have been a nice device a year ago but not at all what I am looking for.

EDIT: The more I watch the videos, the more amazed I am at how smooth everything is! Maybe the software makes up for the somewhat dated hardware......I might not be able to resist this....

vvaz	2011-06-21 10:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SAABoy (Post 1034413)

never thought we'd be hearing this about a nokia smartphone... awesome ui, hardware shortcomings...

btw care to expand on the pricing u mentioned above?

OK. I am from Poland and will operate in PLN when not annotated otherwise.

Starting price for SGS2 was 2300. I can get it now for 1750 (6 weeks after premiere in Poland). I expect in September it will be available for 1500 or even lower.

Starting price for N9 is expected ca. $600 for 16GB and $700 for 64GB version. In Poland it means - after duties and taxes - respectively 2400 and 2800.

Historically Nokia flagships costed 2500 for new model. Exception was N8 which costed 2000 but was sold in parallel with N900 (2500 starting price). In best case it would be 2000 for 16GB and 2500 for 64GB. So "only" 25% difference when comparing with cheaper model but this is really best case.

Jedibeeftrix

2011-06-21 11:01

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just out of curiosity, have public apologies been rendered to Zap and Koa?

zapotek

2011-06-21 11:01

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjf...iframe&start=1 qwertyyyyyyyyy!! :D 1:21

shuraizo

2011-06-21 11:03

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I still don't understand why don't they stick to N950 instead..
If N9 is targeted for non-geek and N900 is for geek
n950 is got everything for both worlds.

The specs are almost the same, and HW-wise i think it's better because of keyboard (and HDMI perhaps?).

N950's design's not too bad compared to n9.
E7's pretty thin even with keyboard.

I know it's incomplete and not intended for end user from what i've read, but why not make it ready instead?

Kozzi

2011-06-21 11:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shuraizo (Post 1034493)

I still don't understand why don't they stick to N950 instead..

they might get sued by Chinese copycats.

adnokr5

2011-06-21 11:06

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http://www.worldofnokia.co.uk/wp-con...eg-588x441.jpg

Developer phone photo

speculatrix

2011-06-21 11:11

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1010234)

the sgx530 gpu is an utterly, totally and thoroughly inadequete gpu to stick in a high-res 2011 smartphone!

+1
the SGX530 was introduced in 2005: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series_5

I presume Nokia found a load of them gathering dust at the back of the warehouse, or were given them as remaindered stock that noone else wanted?

I am guessing the display is a pentile AMOLED one, not a true 854 x 480, so maybe Nokia didn't feel the need to fit a higher spec chip, especially given the somewhat lame CPU.

Yes, it's just a warmed-over n900 without the keyboard. :confused:

zehjotkah

2011-06-21 11:16

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?

Quote:

Originally Posted by speculatrix (Post 1034503)

I am guessing the display is a pentile AMOLED one

and why exactly are you guessing that? Perhaps because of pure speculatri.. ermm speculation?
The N900 does have a lesser GPU with nearly the same resolution...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1034491)

just out of curiosity, have public apologies been rendered to Zap and Koa?

who is Zap and Koa?

vivmak

2011-06-21 11:17

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Awsome ! This phone does look good, need to try before I buy though.

Good thing seems to me is that this is something that Nokia will support unlike Maemo n900.

Also, the newspaper website here in Australia claims that it is first and the last Meego based device from Nokia, if it is true then I doubt if Nokia will support it at all once the WP7 / WP8 comes out.... I am worried but I should wait till it is released before making a call.

Good things are that it has multitasking and far better UI compared to any other device (atleast looking at video).

vkv.raju

2011-06-21 11:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 1034304)

A-GPS usually means cell-tower only. The N900 has GPS and uses A-GPS to get a faster lock.

From the specs the N9 ONLY has A-GPS. If I don't have a local SIM card (which means I can not talk to local towers) I don't know how A-GPS would work.

N900 doesn't have GPS. ONly A-GPS. N9 has both. A-GPS works with cell towers. GPS works standalone meaning it can connect to the satellites to get a lock.

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