Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

I honestly do not understand why people over here are disappointed. N9 was never meant to be N900 successor. If they had stuck with original symbian + Qt + Meego plan, N9 wouldve been their flagship product for 2011. It might still be. And you know what FLAGSHIPS ARE NOT MADE FOR A FEW THOUSAND GEEKS. They are mass market devices targeted at millions. And N9 is perfect for them. A normal personal doesn't need a HWKB. How many iphone users complain about lack of HWKB? eh. 95% people do not need user replaceable battery. Heck I myself am a power user and ive never bought a second battery for a phone. And USB OTG? How many people actually use it on daily basis? Few.
N9 is THE perfect phone for average consumers out there. Good hardware with excellent software. And I do not understand your hypocrisy. On one hand you want MeeGo(N9) to be retained and used to fight off ios and android and yet you want it to have N900 like capabilities. A geek phone cannot compete ios and android. it is time you understood this. N9 is a much better consumer product than the brick N900 was (this coming from an ardent N900 fan). And you know what no one gives a sh*t if a couple hundred geeks do not agree

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

what crack pipe have you smoked?

it has a GPS, with the A- bit meaning the GPS receiver can be seeded with data downloaded from nokia's servers.

--edit--
also, a GPS receiver does not connect to the satellites, it's purely a receiver.

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

how much more power efficient is OMAP3630 compared to OMAP3430 on N900 ? and since the battery is stated 1450mAh do you think this would double batterylife compared to N900 ?

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That's not correct, N900's GPS works also in off line (tablet) mode .

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If N9 has that wl1273 chip, then it has fmtx&rx maybe they dont have ready software for it.

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 

Sounds like a pentile display to me. Dotty lines ahoy.

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

now the the phone finally has been anonunced we se alot of whining in this thread by several IDIOTS!

Why dont you people leave this forum now and go get some ****ing Android, Iphone or whatever crap whe dont need you here anymore!? Alright!!

Or maybe I should leave to so sick of so many idiots here :mad::mad::mad:

This forum is dying :mad::mad::mad:

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

Plus N9 got AMOLED screen... but then also larger screen.

My GS and iphone 4 both running essentially the same or same type of SOC both got much better battery life than N900. Iphone 4 lasts 2 days where GS one and a half.

On my use N900 lasted almost a day or a day.


Might be but i don't think so. If it's a pentile screen it's most likely made by Samsung and i haven't seen pentile 854x480 reso screen from Samsung, 800x480, yes.
Engadget compared to screen to super LCD and was very impressed.

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So leave - what do you expect ? ppl to beg you to stay ?

Or are you one of those posters who want to write big drama posts to announce your departure ?

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Fremantle vs Harmattan comparison http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unsta...omparison.html

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1.) Maemo 5 can easily compete with iOS and Android. Nokia just failed in Marketing and Support of the N900. That's why non-geeks never heard of it.

2.) Why the hell does N9 have to be dumber than the N900 in order to fight off iOS and android? (Quote: "And I do not understand your hypocrisy. On one hand you want MeeGo(N9) to be retained and used to fight off ios and android and yet you want it to have N900 like capabilities.")

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1) Sorry the UI just wasn't there to compete and it showed. We can only put certain amount of blame to marketing and what not.

2) Don't see nothing wrong with that. I'm not a developer but i want open OS to gather communities like this and to be able to do changes i would never be allowed to do on iphone(like overclocking).
Still i love shiny, compact hw and functional UI's that get the stuff done fast. I still use these devices mostly on the go.

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

Stop whining.

You're making things worse with these kind of posts.

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Nope. So here's my apology.

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1.) What's wrong with hildon-desktop? Especially in comparison to android and iOS?

2.) Seriously what the hell? Either you didn't understand what was said before or I really don't understand your attitude. Question: Does the N9 really have to be dumber and have less functionality than the N900 in order to compete with iOS and android?

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Hello! I just wake up and see this lovely N9 stuff, makes me happy! But because i'm not reading the huge new posts on the thread, can someone please confirm if the N9 browser is MicroB like in N900 or is a WebKit **** like android/iphone? (engadget said so, and i can't find the info)

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

Yes I guess I never learn but I am really sick of this ALWAYS negative attitude on this forum!

I know I am also sometime negative but seeing same post over and over and over again about lack of HWKB lack off blablabla all the time makes me wonder why some people is here!?

I am also has got pissed sometimes about Nokias decssions an WP plans but now we atleast have some new cool Linux device to play with and QT is already upgraded with beta of Harmattan SDK :-)

But we cant expect to have everything from a new device.

This negative attitude from several people doesnt help the community.

I guess thats why several devs/people has already leaved :-(

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webkit2 without flash but html5.

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mate, simply put people were expecting Maemo 5 plus something more but waht has been offered is great but not to the expectation of few thousand people hence the reaction, its an open forum.... it is great phone to comepete against android or iphone but its not leaps ahead as Maemo5 n900 was if supported and promoted correctly... what is wrong with maemo 5 if updated to fix bug inside a nice casing as N9?

Let people vent and you chill for a little while, this thread isnt your personal possession where someone is trespassing so take it easy and enjoy the launch of a new nokia phone.

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...And the reason for webkit is probadly cause its most HTML5 compatible :-)

Btw. lack of flash(if people means "flashplayer") shouldnt be a problem if there is a good mediaplayer...

The rest of flash will soon die anyway no one want to use it except some old lazy coders and Adobe who doesn't want to learn new API:s.

Re: Nokia N9 Teaser - is this meego or harmattan?
 

the AMOLED displays on the Android devices were pentile, then came super-amoled, and eventually super-amoled-plus

http://www.tested.com/news/pentile-v...ifferent/1868/

here's a useful closeups:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/s...versus-amoled/

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

So you thinks its fun reading same messages over and over again about people crying about lack of HWKB or lack of adobe flash?

Someone should count the post in this thread about this....

Cmon for freak sake get over it!

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I'll tell you why people here are disappointed: If I was working at a mobile phone store and regular Joe walks in wondering what type of phone he should get, I'd direct him to the Iphone or windows phone 7, which I know in good conscience would be: easy to use, have decent functionality, look pretty, have terrific usage expandability via apps and be supported for at least 2 years.

If on the other hand this Joe happened to be looking for the latest and the greatest, I'd direct him to either Samsung or HTC with android. He'd get the latest specs, powerful processor, and all of 2011's latest bells and whistles, decent apps and functionality and if not lenghty carrier support, at least a pretty large home brew base.

Now to this phone... In all fairness, I would be doing regular Joe a disservice offering him this, not knowing if Nokia will once again in the space of a year decide to switch strategies or drop support for their "next" step, I couldn't guarantee plentiful amounts of apps and it couldn't be sold on it's cutting edge hardware merits alone.

So, please explain to me just who is supposed to buy this? You're not appealing to the mass market, they already have iphones, you're not appealing to those who want the latest hardware, because latest hardware this is not, and I don't think, in my opinion, that this is going to be appealing to the Linux crowd, which made up a good percentage of Maemo 5 users.

Now don't get me wrong I think this phone looks great, I like it's aesthetics and GUI, I can live with the slower GPU and single core processor, I don't mind the 8 mp camera or the fact that it doesn't have an fm transmitter, though I will miss that, I can even live with only an on screen keyboard. But, how Nokia thought, that for a media device, which is obviously focused on people who like media consumption, that not including HDMI out or USB on the go was a good idea? or that a camera with a decent lens shouldn't have xenon flash. or that BT 2.1 in a 2011 phone was a good idea, This, just boggles the mind and, in my opinion, is indicative of everything that is wrong with this company. They don't seem to have a clue who they want to be targeting and when they think they do, they change their strategy faster than it'll take me to finish typing this post!

It's a shame, as I'm probably the perfect costumer for this phone. I'm not a geek, I'm a designer, I like simple things, I like to own my device, and usually buy unlocked. I also prefer that there is some freedom in the mobile ecological system that I'm using. I also own the N900 and I really liked it, I lucked out with it. I've had no hardware problems, I'm over-clocked to 1.15 ghz 24/7 with no issues, I've applied all the community customizations and it works like a charm. The only bad experiences I've had owning this phone have come from Nokia and from their seemingly random choices and decisions.

So, I am disappointed. An N900 successor this is not, an Iphone competitor this isn't either, and it's not powerful enough to be bought just for bragging rights. This looks to be a great phone but Nokia is obliged to screwup on the details. Untill they figure out that they need to start being competive and stop relying on the Nokia brand to sell their products, I'm not keen on buying from them again, and I'm definitively not recommending them to others either.

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

Oh, so the mindlessly optimistic attitude displayed on this thread prior to today is OK, but mindlessly pessimistic is not ?

.... If you want to read only "positive" news, then you really do not belong here...

... you should be at the Apple Iphone Echo Chamber...

... well, what are you waiting for ? Uncle Jobs is over there waiting for you

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

If I understood it right, N9 doesn't have a camera button. The button next to the volume rocker is the power button.

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You got it wrong. Its f****** pretty, and its cheaper than an iphone. It has facebook/twitter/skype integration. So yes, it will sell. At least compared to WP7.

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Let the people scream and critizise. Don't be like iSheep.

Let's face it... N9 is a joke. And that price? Horrible for what it delivers!

I can see the efforts put in Harmattan, but the lack of keyboard, capacitive Pentile display with disappointing resolution, no up to date SoC, no HDMI, no USB OTG, no FM Transmitter really sucks. All that wannabe geeks with their GS2, HTCs and maybe iphones and whatnot will compare exactly these specs as these are the major selling points of these phones.
Well and the die-hards, the open-source fans? Well they also know about these things missing, they also know that's old yesteryears hardware sold for a ridiculous price. So what's left? A nice looking OS which may or may not be a real step up from Fremantle and has little to no future as it is Nokia we are talking about.

So exactly why should people here live in pink N9 candyland and be happy?

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

Have you readed my posts before?!? Since when was I only positive about everything coming from Nokia!?

I also dislike that it doesnt have HDMI (as an example) but start whining like kids about it over and over again doesnt help!

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You are not helping in that one regard. Negativity is can come from others with seemingly good intentions as well.

Let the dust settle, let folks think with clearer minds, stop yelling about things.

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

YAY! Gerbick's back! What do you think of the new Fisher Price toy?

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Exactly what I wanted to hear, if this no-flash decision goes on with a good mediaplayer, being able to play those embedded flash videos when needed then I can live with it.

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

what price?

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yeah what price????

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Not really back. Just wanted to see what the response was in these forums... sorta an odd mix.

To be honest, I'm struggling slightly with the OMAP 3630 1ghz decision, however I wouldn't regard it as a Fisher Price toy just because it's made from polycarbonate (read: plastic).

I will buy one. They delivered on other fronts that I cannot deny that are very important to me... namely RAM (1gb). I'm agnostic to a keyboard, just need to hear about Google Voice integration - I use that for free SMS's in the US. The convex AMOLED screen/curved glass feature is better than the Nexus S concave feature, imho. So that's a plus.

The negativity surrounding no hwkb, buy an bluetooth one. Don't like the plastic? The N900 had a plastic screen (or at least something terribly easy to scratch). And this is a big step forward, especially since it's looking like the Harmattan UI is being opened up.

I'd love to dev on this, just to see/learn if it's a viable platform for me. Already on Android and iOS, evaluating WP7 right now.

So what do I think? Nokia has shown me that they're still innovative. That's a damn good thing.

Back to disappearing...

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

As far as user replaceable battery goes: please note the long thread about broken usb ports on the n900. One cause of this is that users are always charging via the usb port rather than swapping batteries. And I guess I'm the only one who has noticed my battery is about to run out as I'm leaving the house and I would prefer to spend ten seconds changing batteries to several hours waiting for my phone to charge? And when the battery wears out, I'm the only one who would rather not send my device back to the manufacturer for repair?

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In other words:
It's the world's first GNU/Linux based non-smartphone... *LOL*

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

fonearena

550€ for the 64GB version sounds about right.

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You must have forgotten that half the procedures describing how to upgrade/fix problems with the N900 as well as a lot of other phones, come with the line

3) Remove the battery.

Personally I've had to remove the battery on my phone at least ten times the last week. I worry. Holding the power button for 8/10 seconds is fine when it works, but not so fine when it doesn't work.

Furthermore, the inability to replace a worn out battery or to switch batteries on a GPS-intensive hike is a REALLY bad step backwards, and nobody but marketing people would ever defend that way to go. Not even product designers.

This product is a step back in several ways. There's no way around that.

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No, the one and only reason for it is that the build-quality of the USB port sucks.

It's a bit ridiculous to say that you can save your USB port from falling out by switching batteries rather than charging the phone. :)

I think you overestimate how many normal users even have a spare battery. At least I don't have one, but I could need one now, because the USB port has broken... Screw that, N9 all the way. :)

The USB port on the N9 looks extremely solid by the way, it doesn't make me nervous to put some strain on it.

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 

not official prices.