maemo.org - Talk - The EPIC N9 anticipation thread

If I am not a developer, not a Linux lover, why get this device if you already own an iphone? How different is it from iphone experience?

Now I know why they announced it in Asia. iphone is only now beginning to penetrate that market and they hope that N9 will give iphone crazed crowd an alternative. N9 will not sell well in the US

billybobjones

2011-06-21 12:46

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Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1034589)

You got it wrong. Its f****** pretty, and its cheaper than an iphone. It has facebook/twitter/skype integration. So yes, it will sell. At least compared to WP7.

As you may have noted I did point out that this is pretty, but so is the iphone, and with guaranteed support, great development, plenty of applications, a higher res screen, and better hardware, exactly why would an average consumer by this over them? the price? it's cheaper here: http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPhone-B.../dp/B003TZVAPM though granted it's 32 gb and a year older. The iphone also has twitter intergration, and while not exactly integrated can multi task with both skype and facebook. Windows phone 7 also has facebook integration with both skype and twitter coming. The point I'm making isn't that this is a junk phone. it's pretty sure, but what is it offering that year old phones didn't? multitasking? If this was the ticket both Webos and Maemo 5 would be major players? mainstream apps? I highly doubt it. Support? if History is anything to go by, yeah good luck.

Agian, it's not a bad phone but considering we're comparing to last year models, considering some of the odd choices, and considering what it could have been. Yeah, I'm disappointed.

Bartcore3

2011-06-21 12:46

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I found this video today.
Uploaded by NokiaConversations on youtube.
It's a demo of the N9 UI

http://youtu.be/BSZssHGR-Qg

volt	2011-06-21 12:49

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Originally Posted by Mandibela (Post 1034288)

So? Spec lists are never complete...

They always make sure to put on the major selling points, unless they know it will not get ready for use before the reviewers start doing their things.

morfeas

2011-06-21 12:49

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http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n950_m...-news-2806.php

is there a price for the N950? thanks!

LTman

2011-06-21 12:50

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n900 from 600 to 1150
n9 from 1000 to 1950
overclocking all the way

volt	2011-06-21 12:51

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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1034315)

As for the 'walled garden' part, that remains to be seen. Is there a community OBS/repo?

Peter said here that it could install from other sources, so that's good.

Kozzi

2011-06-21 12:52

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Originally Posted by morfeas (Post 1034651)

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n950_m...-news-2806.php

is there a price for the N950? thanks!

one night with an experienced and lonely developer

sevla

2011-06-21 12:53

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I can't wait to start coding for this device.. I have the perfect app in mind already. It has really inspired me and that's what a device is supposed to do.. Hopefully my application is accepted and I get access to a dev device.

volt	2011-06-21 12:53

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Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1034356)

time to buy a second n900

I think their prices just went up.

eikido

2011-06-21 12:53

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The more people here hates it, the more popular it is going to get.

We don't like mainstream and mainstream don't like us :)

volt	2011-06-21 12:54

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Originally Posted by nikrohr (Post 1034361)

http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/u.../326932798.jpg

fist pic of a black dev 950 device....

Four. Rows.

zehjotkah

2011-06-21 12:54

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Originally Posted by morfeas (Post 1034651)

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n950_m...-news-2806.php

is there a price for the N950? thanks!

won't be sold.
apply for the community device program, if you've done anything noticeable for the community in the past or if you plan to do so...

edit: of if you're a commercial dev within a company (individual is also possible) apply at Nokia launchpad.

geneven

2011-06-21 12:57

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Originally Posted by kanishou (Post 1034632)

No, the one and only reason for it is that the build-quality of the USB port sucks.

It's a bit ridiculous to say that you can save your USB port from falling out by switching batteries rather than charging the phone. :)

I think you overestimate how many normal users even have a spare battery. At least I don't have one, but I could need one now, because the USB port has broken... Screw that, N9 all the way. :)

The USB port on the N9 looks extremely solid by the way, it doesn't make me nervous to put some strain on it.

It is not ridiculous to say that using the USB port less often makes the problem less serious. Evidence: I don't have the problem and you do.

LTman

2011-06-21 12:59

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is a bash script copying all file from mem card to internal memory on n900 something noticable

zlatko

2011-06-21 13:00

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I usually don't write in such topics, but just my point of view.
From what I have seen UI is great, HW is OK - I hate this game of CPU/SoC-s, it is not the spec sheet but overall feel and performance that matter. Also I will happily give up 500MHz and a CPU core for a day more of battery life. N9 is more mainstream and ("normal")user friendly than N900 which is required for the OS to really get wider approval. It is a welcomed launch and I think many people will fall in love with N9.
My only complain is: why not releasing both slide out HWKB and the touch-screen only VKB together? Like the E7 - N8 combo? That way everyone of us can choose what best suits his needs.
Anyway - I am strong supporter of the project and will like to help it have a chance to live on so we get Maemo/MeeGo on various form factor devices from NOKIA.
Good luck Maemo/MeeGo!!!

zehjotkah

2011-06-21 13:01

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Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1034669)

is a bash script copying all file from mem card to internal memory on n900 something noticable

trying doesn't hurt.

zehjotkah

2011-06-21 13:04

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I was told that the decision to not release the (now named N950) developer device was becasue of the sliding mechanism.
I don't know if this is true or not and to be clear: I doubt it. Nokia made a wonderful sliding mechanism in the Nokia E7 and the one at the dev device I had to play with felt nearly the same.

What remains then as reason?
Management (read: Elop) or anything else?

Verythrax

2011-06-21 13:04

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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1034641)

Sorry, but I believe that for the first time Nokia have a product aligned with the US average consumer.

Even Gizmodo and Engadget resident Nokia prosecutors couldn't talk anything but praise to it, the only thing they said that MeeGo is a "zombie" because Elop is prioritizing WP7. By the feedback online, N9 can seriously make Nokia rethink their strategy - not moving away from WP7, but giving MeeGo more chances in the spotlight.

And I wouldn't fret about the UI so much. I'm sure the community will provide all the desktop feel and Maemo bells and whistles that we all love. That way it will be ven better: the device can appeal to both publics, geek and average.

volt	2011-06-21 13:05

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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1034641)

N9 will not sell well in the US

As far as I can tell, no Nokia will ever sell well in the US, unless they remove the Nokia USA battery, wait for 10 months, upload a fastboot organization mod, then makes a hard reboot.

sevla

2011-06-21 13:05

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Somewhat off topic.. is meego.com down for anyone else?

LTman

2011-06-21 13:06

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@ those who have used the device how does the webkit browser perform compared to android gingerbread/n900/ipad stock browsers

zehjotkah

2011-06-21 13:08

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btw. we won't get any Nokia "N950" for the MeeGo Coding Competition (check my signature) but all participants are encouraged to apply for such a device with their project.

tissot

2011-06-21 13:08

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Originally Posted by volt (Post 1034631)

You must have forgotten that half the procedures describing how to upgrade/fix problems with the N900 as well as a lot of other phones, come with the line

3) Remove the battery.

Personally I've had to remove the battery on my phone at least ten times the last week. I worry. Holding the power button for 8/10 seconds is fine when it works, but not so fine when it doesn't work.

Furthermore, the inability to replace a worn out battery or to switch batteries on a GPS-intensive hike is a REALLY bad step backwards, and nobody but marketing people would ever defend that way to go. Not even product designers.

This product is a step back in several ways. There's no way around that.

On the many devices i have owned that don't have removable battery like Zune HD, ipad2, ipod and iphone i have had zero problems with the button combinations. Worked example when jailbroke went wrong.
Though i agree not being able to change to full battery or replace battery gone wrong without paying or needing to go for the trouble.

volt	2011-06-21 13:11

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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034660)

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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034660)

Ironically, as a web developer in a company I could have a legit reason to apply for this device, IF ONLY OUR CUSTOMERS COULD BUY THE N950.

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Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 1034393)

Where's the buy now button?

Here - I made/copied one yesterday.

http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php...1&d=1308615083

Unfortunately it doesn't work.

tkatchev

2011-06-21 13:11

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No. This is the first time that Nokia have a product that would have been aligned with the average U.S. consumer had it been released two years ago.

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Originally Posted by Verythrax (Post 1034675)

Sorry, but I believe that for the first time Nokia have a product aligned with the US average consumer.

volt	2011-06-21 13:14

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Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1034687)

No. This is the first time that Nokia have a product that would have been aligned with the average U.S. consumer had it been released two years ago.

That's ridiculous. 6 months ago on some hw, maybe. In other areas it's well ahead.

zehjotkah

2011-06-21 13:16

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Originally Posted by volt (Post 1034685)

Ironically, as a web developer in a company I could have a legit reason to apply for this device, IF ONLY OUR CUSTOMERS COULD BUY THE N950.

you could argument that the N9 and the "N950" are nearly the same...

OVK	2011-06-21 13:21

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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034674)

I remember reading that E7 was delayed because it had flaws in the slider that were noticed late when manufacturing was about to start. So it would make sense that N950 with similar mechanism would have been delayed for the same reason. But why it was cancelled instead of just delayed? That must be due to some bizarre business calculation.

volt	2011-06-21 13:22

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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034692)

you could argument that the N9 and the "N950" are nearly the same...

Not for the usage I'd forsee, no. A couple of years ago, HTC lent(?) us some of those big ones with removable keyboards, but the browser wasn't good enough. With this, the N9 is just not big enough for a virtual keyboard, and a bluetooth one would be a too complex user scenario.

zlatokosi

2011-06-21 13:23

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Originally Posted by Rugoz (Post 1034589)

You got it wrong. Its f****** pretty, and its cheaper than an iphone. It has facebook/twitter/skype integration. So yes, it will sell. At least compared to WP7.

Cheaper than the (unlocked) iPhone 4? Link, PLEASE... I dare you.

zonk0r

2011-06-21 13:33

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Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034303)

You do realize you are comparing a one year old phone to an unreleased Nokia 2011 phone (they say Q3...)?

although true.

I'm sure the price of the N9 will still be less than that of the iphone4 a year down the line - making it a direct competitor (i know it's speculation at this point) - but can't see why it wouldn't be given the price of a sim-free 32GB iphone 4

suy	2011-06-21 13:35

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About Adobe Flash support: my bet is that we will have some Flash support sooner or later. First, because it will not be hard for Adobe to add Flash. After all, Harmattan is plain Linux with X11, so no need for special code, just a specialized build.

Second, because it's very likely that there will be other third party browsers, and some can differentiate adding plugin support and a Gnash build. Not perfect, but is enough for me. After all, Flash sucks. I just need it in cases where some idiot created the UI using flash. For video, is not that important, IMVHO, because your phone is a convenience pocket computer, not your main computer.

zonk0r

2011-06-21 13:36

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Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034705)

Cheaper than the (unlocked) iPhone 4? Link, PLEASE... I dare you.

please find a phone more expensive than this..

http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4...rlrefer=search

i dare you

zlatokosi

2011-06-21 13:37

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Originally Posted by Verythrax (Post 1034675)

Sorry, but I believe that for the first time Nokia have a product aligned with the US average consumer.

I agree.

Check availability for the US at:
http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...k-availability

??? Maybe waiting for WP7?

I just don't get it. Unless it won't be offered in the States, then I actually sort of get it (but hate Nokia for trying to rip off non-US customers in that way).

marxian

2011-06-21 13:37

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Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034660)

Is there any chance of N950s being distributed to winners of the Meego Coding Competition?

zonk0r

2011-06-21 13:39

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Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034722)

If you check the MeeGo Roadmap, you will notice that North American radio standards are not supported until MeeGo release 1.3 in October - so in short, No. This device is not intended for the American Market.

zlatokosi

2011-06-21 13:39

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Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034716)

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/te...okia.html?_r=1

According to everything I've read, the 16 GB N9 version will be more expensive than the unlocked 16 GB iPhone 4 is now (US market). And who knows what price drop Apple will have when the iPhone 5 is announced.

zehjotkah

2011-06-21 13:44

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Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1034723)

Is there any chance of N950s being distributed to winners of the Meego Coding Competition?

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=7139

Sorry.

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