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Re: [Council] State of Maemo, Q32010.2

Since that seemed to be the last word--I guess I was right, the status of Maemo is indeed "embarrassing?" :)

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 899962)

Oh God. Another fellow MU*er. May you never get @toaded. :)

I remember your avatar from the Tinyfugue client thread :).

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Will there now be a Q1-2011 thread on the State of Maemo soon?

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 943527)

Will there now be a Q1-2011 thread on the State of Maemo soon?

Tim indicated on Twitter that a statement from the Council is coming.

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 899962)

See, that's the thing. From the looks of things, it would appear that the OS is becoming far less open than Android--which is kinda pathetic given it's whole selling point is being open-source. While Nokia opens up certain portions (which seems like pulling teeth, to start with), they ADD more and more closed-source components to the OS that you can't exclude without harming the system. Whereas Android already has a larger open of open-source to closed, and they're unmarrying a lot of the closed-source as a dependency--so you CAN replace them with open-source without harming the whole Android eco-system. Nokia hasn't got bragging rights to being more open than anyone else lately. Maybe back in 2006/2007, but certainly not anymore--even amongst large mobile OS's that they compete against.

Perhaps I missed an earlier point, but how is the OS (presumably Meego) becoming less open than Maemo? Or do you mean that Android is becoming more open than Maemo/Meego?

I've also got to disagree with your evaluation of Android as open - the hw abstraction layers certainly seem to me to be very closed. Even more so than Maemo originally was, and much of the user-facing code is also closed afaiu (application-wise, which was also the issue with Maemo).

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Originally Posted by lardman (Post 948444)

I was pointing out that Maemo is FAR less open than Android, according to the statistics that were gathered a while back. I was also pointing out how the Android operating system is growing increasingly less dependent and separating from the closed-source applications, unlike Maemo. Even as Maemo progressed, it continued to accrue more and more closed-source, even while a trickle of closed-source became open. You might want to go back and read some more of this thread. MeeGo is a different beast which has NONE of that stupid closed-minded drek to deal with--except unless Nokia's flavor of an OS image has had extensive work to implement it right back in there, as I'm dreading might be the case--but none of us know that for certain yet.

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 948304)

Tim indicated on Twitter that a statement from the Council is coming.

Excellent! I'm eagerly awaiting SOMETHING to be said by the Council and I'm especially interested to know whether Nokia has shut them out or whether Nokia is communicating ANYTHING to them, at this point.

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 948304)

Tim indicated on Twitter that a statement from the Council is coming.

Will they announce that they will announce their statement soon? :D

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 948478)

All that I have seen from Nokia employees so far has indicated that everyone below the topmost levels of management has been told to carry on with business as usual while top management develops a plan for enacting Nokia's new corporate strategy. Therefore, despite all public signs pointing to continued Nokia-Council communications, I would limit my expectations on what the Council will be able to announce regarding Nokia's future support of maemo.org and specifics on Nokia's long term plans for MeeGo.

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 948478)

I was pointing out that Maemo is FAR less open than Android, according to the statistics that were gathered a while back.

Let's not compare apples and oranges. The statistics you saw were simple calculations based on package counts in Maemo (which in itself is an ambiguous metric). Android does not use the same packaging policies, and also is heavily reliant on web-based services that themselves are not necessarily open (even though the client side *might* be), therefore *real* comparison is very difficult.