Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293305)

If your personally insulted because someone is being critical of the mobile device you are using then you have issues.

As I stated prior, OpenArena is a "desktop application" it was ported to the N900. It works. You are able to use the application. However the frame rate sucks, it kills the battery, it often crashes, it is near impossible to control due to form factor, etc.

So yes, OpenArena/Quake III in theory is a more entertaining/fun game than most "mobile games" - however it just doesn't work, not on the N900, not on an Android, not on a iPhone.

You're desperately trying to fit "full desktop applications" into a device with a 3.5" touch screen, a small keyboard, 1.15GHz (max) single core processor. Your "desktop application" that was so functional on a desktop just got a whole lot less functional.

Now you want to talk to me about "power" of these desktop applications, name something that a desktop application that is ported to Maemo/MeeGo that can't be done using a mobile application. Someone brought up Gnumetric and there's iWork's Numbers that is just as good, if not better. There's OpenOffice vs iWorks. They both do the same thing, iWorks has the edge because it was BUILT around a certain platform.

No one buys Angry Birds for PC, the reason why it sells so well on mobile applications is because it was built around a mobile platform.

And you guys want to go with CSSU is "improving" Maemo 5 - I've been there, I've seen it, It's not improving it - it's fixing the bugs and the features that the developers left out. You're sill miles behind the industry standard - no auto complete or spell check, voice commands, voice navigation, any navigation at all.

It seems you all keep on forgetting; I have my N900 sitting right here next to me, it's on. I have almost every worth while application loaded on here, you want to talk about OpenOffice? I have OpenOffice 3.2 booted up now, it even shows a cursor on the screen (because it was built to be used with a mouse). GIMP? Come on, that one is pretty useless (I don't think anyone is going to object to that), I gave it to a friend who only used GIMP and he couldn't use it for the life of him.

Name me one of these powerful desktop applications running on a mobile device that there isn't a mobile application out there for. That mobile application will not only be just as powerful, but it will be much faster, much more efficient, much more user friendly, and have a far superior interface. So my challenge stands: name me a desktop application ported to a mobile device that there isn't a mobile application equivalent of that doesn't have "power"

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1292877)

And as another poster mentioned, "there's going to be an application for the iPhone out there that is going to do exactly what you need to do"

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293246)

I am really disappointed in this community. I don't care if you prefer the N900 over the iPhone or any other device. i don't care if your reasoning is really out there. What I am really disappointed in is your lack of curiosity to see what is out there. It is almost like a religious ideology. I see that with Apple people (they just want shiny thin stuff) but you guys are smart, technical, and many of you are engineers. If I said, "I think there may be a better what of doing this" and you choose to disregard it out of sheer ignorance and in factual data it is doing yourself an injustice.

I have no problem with you saying "My N900 does everything I need it to do." - Where the majority of this community and I butt heads is when you say, "My N900 does everything I need it to do, so I am not even going to consider other options." That's when I have to start doubting the credibility, integrity to the truth, and intelligence of the poster.

Everyone who posted here with the above mindset has given the Maemo/MeeGo community a bad name.

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1293546)

He isn't trying to convince anyone, he's staying objective.

Just for you I'll translate that wall of text, basically he's saying:
Smartphones arent smartphones anymore, they are superphones.

He's saying that yesteryear there was an advantage of having a full desktop PC in your pocket, but now the hardware has gone far enough for the software to catch up. Now mobile Apps are powerful enough to compete with desktop ones, surely there's a few compromises but its true nonetheless. And that comparing those powerful mobile Apps, the experience, to a desktop App that's squeezed into a mobile device as tiny as the 3.5" N900 is laughable.

I tend to agree, there is a shift occurring. Maybe not fast enough, but the iPad, NOTE, Transformer and WinRT are evolving computing. The PC has already shifted from large servers into big desktop boxes before, and then to a laptop and then to even smaller, lighter, thinner yet more powerful laptops. Now its going to get more personal, tablets do look like the new future. Call it the Post-PC or PC+ era, call it whatever you like, but phones like the iPhone 3GS, SGS2, N900 are beginning to become obsolete, despite how ridiculous that sounds.

Originally Posted by GrimyHR (Post 1293560)

one? how about metasploit, wireshark, testdisk/photorec, parted, aircrack-ng, midnight commander, mplayer...just some of the plethora of desktop apps that work great on n900 and are better than any app build with mobile phones as target

Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1293587)

Depend on the user needs. My software needs (programming on device with full Python & C/C++, using scientific / mathematical softwares) are well served with N900 & N9, for example, while there are no equivalent softwares on iPhone.

Originally Posted by herpderp (Post 1293549)

Well, I didn't get it quite like you, Kangal.

He never said that desktops transformed into laptops, those into smaller form factors, and so on.

On the contrary, he says these devices are complementary, and I agree.

I have a powerful desktop, with two large monitors. I use desktop applications, IDEs. I would never give up my desktop machine for a smarphone, however smart it is - there's just not enough screen real estate, etc. to use those desktop apps. Even if I could, it would be inconvenient to say the least.
With a smartphone I want do quick stuff on the go, but not serious work, and for that I need apps that are optimized to small screens and touch input.
All these devices are not replacing each other, but complementing. That's why Google refers to tablets as "the third screen", desktop/laptop and smartphone being the first two.