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Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1481819)

OMG, the lock screen! It was always useless but now it stands in the way more than ever. Unlocking the phone is now a major operation. It takes so long that I can almost make myself a coffee. I would do away with it completely if I could, it serves no purpose whatsoever other than slowing you down.
The only thing for which the lock screen may be useful is the customisable pulley menu. I used to have the most common operations there, of which the absolutely most common was "Connet to internet". It was absolutely crucial because my Jolla keeps losing connection all the time and reconnecting was something I had to do very often. The lock screen pulley menu was therefore the obvious place.
But now it is nearly impossible to get to it. The only way that I have found is to lock the phone, wait a bit, then unlock it again. That is a long way to get to something I need almost constantly.
The best way forward IMO would be to get rid of the lock screen completely and move the pulley menu to the home screen.
I have 5 email accounts set up. Previously, when I received notifications for multiple email accounts, it just said, "5 emails". Tapping on that opened Email. I did not have to read the emails, just opening Email was enough to clear the notifications.
Now, if I get new emails for two different accounts, I get two notifications. And I have to actually read the emails or at least open each account in turn to clear them. This is a major hassle.

Lock screen:

You can actually unlock it immediately after screen opens, you don't have to wait for the animations. It's actually pretty fast. For me, it has improved significantly with built in media controls and overall responsiveness. Removing lock screen would make no sense what so ever from normal usage perspective.

I also concider pulley menu completely useless in lock screen because you can access the whole screen once per use, which is my biggest issue with it.

Notifications:

You need to long-press to dismiss notifications by cross buttons or pulley menu. It works generally much better than before because it's better organized and you can dismiss single notification without actually reading it.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

"Long-press power key also opens Top menu, but replaces lock action with power off"

This doesn't work for me. How about you guys?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

I didn't got notification for update. I checked for early access just today. Should I do anything else ?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

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Originally Posted by parasemic (Post 1481852)

"Long-press power key also opens Top menu, but replaces lock action with power off"

This doesn't work for me. How about you guys?

Do you have / have you had Powermenu by Coderus installed? I had, and after uninstalling it, the new power button / top menu thing still didn't work. It required two terminal commands given by Coderus in this post. Now it works.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

In fact, I get the "faded out" cover whenever the process receives any signal at all. Even if it crashes, or I kill it from a shell, or the "non responding" prompt kills it, or ....

To me it seems a bit nonsensical. But it doesn't happen often enough to even complain about it.

I like the new details and "flatness". Never been a fan of shiny, and now the buttons look much more clickable. Pulley menus are more noticeable too. Also, I like the animation there.

However, the blink animation after selecting an option is at least twice as long as it should be. Same for the power on fade in and unlock.

The ambience system continues to seem unintuitively designed. The idea is nice. But why does it assume I want to change the background image? In my planet, people don't change the background as often as they change between silent and normal mode. The UI is newbie-unfriendly enough to allow individually setting whether an ambience actually changes the ringer volume or not.... and yet I can't make an ambience NOT change my background!

Also, I guess like everyone else I miss the swipe to lock gesture; because of the above issue, my ambience menu is empty either way.

But generally, I like it. I find no significant performance difference, and it seems more finished. Now waiting for redesigns of some of the main programs and after that for general bugfixing to resume :)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

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Originally Posted by MikeHG (Post 1481820)

Settings -> System -> Gestures -> Quick Events access

Aha, that's what it is there for! Thanks, that eliminates one drawback.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

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Originally Posted by parasemic (Post 1481850)

You can actually unlock it immediately after screen opens, you don't have to wait for the animations.

I know, but it's still a multi-step process. That's what makes it slow, not the animation.

Actually, the entire lock screen concept reminds me of my daughter's Android tablet. Unlike my N900 and my wife's XpressMusic, where you unlock with a slider and find yourself back where you were before the lock. If that was in an app screen, then that's where you return. Simple, efficient, fast, intuitive. On the Jolla I have to make four steps to get back to where I was.

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You need to long-press to dismiss notifications by cross buttons or pulley menu. It works generally much better than before because it's better organized and you can dismiss single notification without actually reading it.

Yes, the long press to dismiss hasn't changed, thank Mustafa. And yes, I also agree that the finer granularity makes for better organization. But I would still like opening an app X to clear all notification for an app X. It just feels right.

BTW, a curious thing just happened. I was typing this on my Jolla and swiped down the keyboard to expose the Submit Reply button and everything that was under the keyboard appeared blurred. I had to scroll the page a little to make it sharp again. I never witnessed that before 1.1.9.x. I just tried it again and it is 100% reproducible, although the more you type the more obvious it is.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

I've now installed it, and used it enough to have some initial impressions.

- Animations generally look a lot better.

- Buttons, though obviously now buttons look like they were rendered in MS paint.

-Status bar. Finally. Praise spaghetti monster.

-Notifications screen looks massively better.

-Not being able to pin 4 folders to the bottom of the main screen with all frequently used apps contained therein slows workflow significantly, forcing you to swipe to the app grid. An option to do this would be good.

-Speaking of the (ugly) app grid ... I still don't understand why it is unthemed. It's always looked like an afterthought and remains so now.

-The only thing the lock screen (and pulley menu) were previously good for was quickly silencing / muting the phone. There's no way to do this at all now. Which is a total joke.

-Ambivalent about change to buttons rather than swipes for app covers, but that they haven't been expanded upon is pretty bad - we've desperately needed a wifi / mobile data toggle forever on the settings app cover as Conman is so poor and connectivity so unreliable.

- Still very little configurability of gestures. Jaakko said he'd be looking to make it more configurable in response to some feedback. Hope this hasn't been abandoned.

-Split screen mode isn't in and hasn't even been mentioned since the end (initial end) of the kickstarter. Schedule was for October .... I wonder if they've even started work on implementing the code for it and how long it will take.

-Pulley menus seem less stuttery, but the one on the lockscreen is totally pointless and the option to lock the screen with downwards swipe seems like a bizarre thing to take out (again, option please).

-For those already familiar with the OS and its resource issues, the dead app covers just serve as an unpleasant reminder of how bad this is. But given that you can't quickly access your most used apps anymore, I guess this attempt to sweep it under the rug is better given the new UI.

-Lack of improvement of core apps is shameful. Little to nothing has been done in 2 years. Either functionality or design. That they don't have folders implemented yet in Gallery is particularly extraordinary, given that tablets are first and foremost intended for media and browsing. It's been done to death already, but still no text highlighting in browser (or notes) and no global copy paste. what is so hard about this? we don't even have an ETA for these most basic functions of a modern OS.

- Apps do close much more smoothly, but this is about it as far as I can see for performance improvements. Oh, and keyboard hasn't hung on me yet, but that was more of a bug.

- Performance wise, nothing has changed. Apps still hang when loading the CPU to a significant extent, OOM is still awful, browser is still dog **** slow, and there is still a huge gulf in performance between native apps and android apps in Alien Dalvik (I still suspect a bad or very rudimentary task scheduler in SF). I know some were hoping for change here, but there are no signs of hope that are obvious.

-Speaking of the browser, there seems to be a new rendering bug. When a reasonably complex site is being loaded and it's semi-hanging (as happens constantly), when you scroll, text and images that were off screen but already loaded in are blurred out, and then only unblur when it unhangs after 2-3 seconds. It looks awful, and it's yet another reason not to use the frankly appalling browser. Also, why can we still not swipe to close tabs? Opera and FF on Android let you, so why does the native browser of a "gesture based" OS force you to press a button?

I could go on, but so far I feel like it's a case of the emperor's new clothes.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

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Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1481862)

Unlike my N900 and my wife's XpressMusic, where you unlock with a slider and find yourself back where you were before the lock. If that was in an app screen, then that's where you return. Simple, efficient, fast, intuitive..

I think you don't seem to notice what's the difference there. There is no slider on Jolla. If I click the power button on my Jolla and on my N900, they behave exactly the same - a lockscreen is shown and I can unlock it with one additional gesture.

The difference with slider is that it cannot be easily unintentionally pressed, unlike buttons. Lockscreen is definitely needed on devices, where you can press the power button/doubleclick in pocket (it happened to me quite a few times) by accident.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0

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Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1481858)

Also, I guess like everyone else I miss the swipe to lock gesture

Go to "System -> Gestures -> Quick app closing" and toggle it on. IMHO, it should be on by default.

PS : my fault, I missread it as "swipe to close".