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Ah, I see that you are a resistant case of depression. Prozac is not enough, frontal lobotomy and ECT is your way out of your depth of despair. I will be happy to defray the costs of treatment. You seem to forget that until treated properly, you will not understand nor remember the discussion we are having. Or perhaps Lumia can enlighten your ways. That's it! Lumia for dummramos!!!

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Hey dummramos:

http://allthingsd.com/20120418/nokia...D_yahoo_ticker

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Not a bad idea really, even with a hint of humor.

They could pick up webOS... It's a finished OS that is beautiful in design, HP are practically giving it away as we speak and there is an army of palm fans who are crying out for new devices so they would have a guaranteed market right there before we even count anyone else.

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Lol, is it Tech New Today one of the major IT news networks in US ?Obviously I'm not from US,that's why asking

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They might as well join samsung and intel again and wait for tizen, or work with mozilla with their boot to gecko thingy. Seriously Why would we want an OS that is basically a browser?

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Local investing guru Seppo Saario said few months ago, that one should go with Microsoft instead of Nokia if he/she believes in WP-strategy: Improbable success of WP would be great for Microsoft, but a failure wouldn't destroy it. Nokia's case isn't so bright:rolleyes:

The reaction to recent profit warning with miserable lumia sale figures shows, that the market agrees with him..

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Yet more news! Take a listen/watch of today's Tech News Today. Yet more bad news for new Lumia 900 owners. So much bad news for Nokia, Lumia 900 and ... well, just listen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Yd9vLGAP0&t=13m25s

I like that one bit about how Microsoft's mobile division managed to wrestle away a Samsung marketing manager... who then turned around and left after FIVE months. Hmmmmm.

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Good news is good news,
Bad news is good news,
No news is bad news!

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Well, it's certainly not 'no news'... and I don't think there's been a whole lot of 'good news'... :)

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Lumiaman if you think that WP strategy is helping Nokia then why nokia stock is going down day by day. Today it hitted all time lowest 3.90 $. You call this a success ?.

Nokia can only be successfull if they dump their wp strategy and return to symbian/maemo 5/meego strategy. As they have planned it before going to wp.

MeeGo for high end phone
Symbian for Mid Range and High end phones
Meltemi or S40 for mid and low end phones.

Except this there is no hope left for Nokia.

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I disagree with you. They have to shed Symbian as soon as they can. Symbian is dead and only Taliban are buying it. The reason why they are losing money, IS precisely their reliance on Symbian and taking so long to transition to something more viable. Hence Lumia. They need to churn out more Lumias, and if smart, they should work on Meego or whatever as alternative, but I suspect that they dont have money for it.

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Talibans are probably buying Lumia's as Taliban's are pretty less in number so as lumia sales.

Shedding symbian was their biggest mistake they have ever done. Symbian is still profitable and also sales of Symbian phones are far greater than lumia phones.

Check some reviews of Symbian Belle and Symbian Belle FP1 its very very smooth and also its now totally competitive with iOS and Android.

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About Symbian:
If it's sales numbers are declining rapidly, but still being extremely profitable for years or months to come, why kill it off even before a replacement has been established that is at least a bit profitable?

This decision was either completely nuts, or part of an evil master-plan.

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How long can nokia handle negative results like this?

How much time have elop left at the top

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At this rate he is going to be the EVP of Microsoft's handset unit in about 12 months.

Of course, it could be argued that he already is.

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Looks like youre little pissed cause WP is failing because of todays facts?

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Symbian is failing. Last I checked NOKIA started selling WP only few months ago. Get your facts straight.

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From a stock perpective. Fire people and cut costs could give the stock value, but not for the employees or finnish people/country.

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Tizen hahaha. its plain dead from begining.

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Your are just a blind WP fanboy to not realise the facts:

Nokia is faling because of the segmentation fault directors board!

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I disagree. You have no clue yet. Lets wait and see.

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*Sigh... Duplicate posting here. Can we please merge threads ;)

I was reading through the corporate pages and found the published PDFs for the Annual General Meeting. There are several to read through here

This is a proposal for changes of the Board of Directors

PROPOSAL BY THE CORPORATE GOVERNANCE AND NOMINATION COMMITTEE FOR COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Jorma Ollila, Bengt Holmström and Per Karlsson have informed the Committee that they will no longer be available to serve on the Nokia Board of Directors after the Annual General Meeting. Mr Ollila joined Nokia in 1985 and served as the President and CEO of the company 1992-1999 and Chairman and CEO 1999-2006. He has been Nokia Board member since 1995. Mr Holmström has been Nokia Board member since 1999 and Mr Karlsson has been Nokia Board member since 2002.

The Committee proposes to the Annual General Meeting that the number of Board members be eleven, consistent with the provisions of the Company’s Articles of Association. Based on past experience and the current business situation at the Company, the Committee regards eleven as an appropriate number of directors for the needed diversity in experiences and skills to do the Board’s work effectively.

The Committee proposes that the following current Board members be re-elected as members of the Nokia Board of Directors for a term until the close of the Annual General Meeting 2013: Stephen Elop, Henning Kagermann, Jouko Karvinen, Helge Lund, Isabel Marey-Semper, Dame Marjorie Scardino, Risto Siilasmaa, and Kari Stadigh.

In addition, the Committee proposes that Bruce Brown, Chief Technology Officer, The Procter & Gamble Company, Mårten Mickos, CEO of Eucalyptus Systems, Inc., and Elizabeth Nelson, independent corporate advisor, be elected as members of the Nokia Board of Directors for a term until the close of the Annual General Meeting 2013.

All Board member candidates have been determined to be independent under the rules of the New York Stock Exchange and the Finnish Corporate Governance Code, except Mr Mickos, because of his position as CEO of Eucalyptus Systems, Inc. that has a business relationship with and receives revenue from Nokia Siemens Networks, and Mr Elop because of his position as President and CEO of Nokia.

The Committee's aim is continually to renew the Board to ensure an efficient Board of international professionals with a diverse mix of skills and experience. The Committee considers potential director candidates based on the short-term and long-term needs of the Company and the Board and may retain search firms or advisors to identify director candidates.

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I can see ballmer and and two of his buddies at the table... Or Elop is kicked out and sent back to Canada with a lumia up his ***.

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What are you, crazy? What's with the Taliban thread crapping?
If Nokia garnered 100% of the WP7 market today they'd have a whopping 2% of the smartphone market where they used to have nearly 60%.

Great business strategy.

Any hardware maker that agrees to unilateral exclusivity is doomed.

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Wrong.

Nokia announced they would abandon Symbian and MeeGo and then started selling WP7 phones. They killed their cash cow (Symbian) with nothing to replace it but an unwanted product.

Killing off Symbian is the direct cause of the 70% drop in China sales.

By analyst estimates (Nokia won't release the real numbers) the N9 outsold all WP phones in Q4 2011 even though it had no access to the US market.

Elop needs to go. Even if you wanted to kill off Symbian and MeeGo you don't announce plans to kill off Symbian and MeeGo until you have sufficient sales in your new line.

What Nokia should have done is added WP and Android to it's offerings, invested in MeeGo as a possible break-out exclusive OS like iOS and continued to support its huge Symbian base. It's called risk mitigation and opportunity readiness.

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The way Symbian has hung in there over the last 14 months is astonishing considering everything Elop has done to disparage it, even now when it has absolutely no marketing budget and no carrier or retailer support it still outsells NOKIA's WP7 devices which are having an enormous amount of advertising lavished upon them.

Did you notice the market where NOKIA has suffered it's biggest crash is China?

China Mobile (a carrier bigger than all the major carriers in the US COMBINED) had publicly stated their support for MeeGo and were part of the MeeGo working group. China Mobile had publicly committed themselves to offering MeeGo devices to their 650 million subscribers.

When Elop killed MeeGo he effectively gave China Mobile the finger and now he wonders why NOKIA have lost carrier support in China.

Before Elop's crass stupidity NOKIA's smartphone market share in China was around 70%! What is it now?

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now flop has lumiaman, :D

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Yes genius. Its because Chinese are hip and want Silicon Valley products. Who wants Symbian phones. Have you handled N8....oh my what a dinosaur. Dont blame WP for NOKIA losses. Its all Symbian. Symbian should have been gone long time ago.....it was the pre-Elop incompetency that led to this balance sheet.

Meego, is still a beta OS by every yardstick. It cant compete with iphones and droids. Period. If you want to argue otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves. So NOKIA made a move they had to make. Perhaps its too late. But dont blame WP. WP gave them cash and a sense of direction. Symbian and Meego burned cash and were destined to perish

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> with verizon backing windows phone, I am now excited, not because want windows phone, but I want to see what and how it will evolve. Its all good.

m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/news/verizon-eyes-microsoft-push-windows-phones-holidays-191604664--sector.html/index?.ts=1334867323&.intl=GB&.lang=en-gb

I think they have a chance but, I'm curious to want to see more now.

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Verizon is still CDMA. I mean, seriously? Their support is based on a network that's old hat at the core.

US based carriers will invariably be the end of what's going on with Nokia. The North American sales will not be enough.

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might not, it might, the fact you have a lumia adds a plus one to the sales figures. And i want to see how the lumia 900 will do in europe, might do well, might not. But I would like to see how windows phone evolves, I have a few things I believe will happen so. ALso these are not my ideas btw- if like agreed ms allows nokia to make improvement to the windows phone platform,(where they are market leaders) this means even if the ms-nokia deal fails, nokia will still get royalties from every windows phone because of it's IP.

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And Your wp is not beta?

stop stick your head in the sand and wakeup. Nokia is failing only blind fanboys like you disagree.

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Might not? It's a heavy heck no... in the land of milk and honey (the US that is), this is a decidedly pro-iPhone and pro-Android crowd here. Microsoft cannot break 5% here - and that's with RIM/Blackberry losing share rapidly.

And places like Verizon and even AT&T will be drops in the bucket compared to the European and Asian market sales in the grand scheme of things.

And so far, it's not looking good for the Lumia in Europe in regards to its reception in those markets. And our markets are not indicative of what will be popular elsewhere. iOS and Android are the only two exceptions that are still going on strong.

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Tell that to your co-american Lubeman...

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Actually, Symbian Belle, is a real pleasure playing with. It feels nothing like the dinosaurs you're talking about. I actually find myself strangely recommending the NOKIA C7 when friends "consult" me on what to get.

Symbian Belle is really delightful, rich in apps, smooth by all means and fluid, but the problem lies here: How the f*ck is NOKIA going to convince people that Symbian Belle is completely different after all of today's folks have an image of NOKIA phones being crap?

Elop: Easy! Let's party with Ballmer! Khehehkehkhekheh!

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Out of topic question: do one needs to be US citizen or Green card holder to buy stocks in US?

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We don't claim them all. Sorta like how other countries don't claim their less desirables.

No. All that is required is just have the money and/or brokerage account - which, is real darn easy. If you're not in the US, invest through brokers while in those countries.

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Any link to simple "get started to stock market" guide would be great. I was trying to search for any official page for stock market (to get some idea about how things works here in US) once but couldn't find that.

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Do you mean something like this?

You need to look at investment firms like ScottTrade and eTrade more than likely.