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They have developed the N9 in record time. Lots of novelty there: The UI is revolutionary, the polycarbonate design is revolutionary etc etc. And you are crying about Nokia being late? I assure you, Nokia is also crying and working their asses of to get that phone out there.

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Nice of you to care for me :) Or was it sarcasm? :eek: But to be honest, it doesn't really suit you either way. So I will be nice to you and advice you to crawl back into your true self.

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It seems NOKIA are not releasing the N9 in many countries that have traditionally been strong markets for them (UK, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Norway, the Netherlands,...) it's not even being released in the USA which is supposed to be the market they are so keen to crack.

You can check N9 availability here: http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...k-availability

So much for "working their asses of to get that phone out there", more like deliberately limiting supply lest it should prove more popular than WP7.

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Yawn. You are totally wrong. Your facts are wrong and your intentions are wrong. I am too fed up with all this ignorant bull to explain any further.

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The forum is full of preElop Nokia reactionaries. Instead of supporting Nokia thru difficult changes, they glorify the past and forget the fiscal realities.......

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Oh how could I possibly fail to be persuaded by your 'explanations'? I fully accept now I MUST be an 'ignorant' 'idiot' who's full of 'bull'. Heck, you're so brilliant you even know what my 'intentions' are.

Such eloquence, such clarity of thought... Wow, you're amazing!

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Then what is right? Stating opinion like it's fact and using the bold tag doesn't quite qualify your statements.

Simply stated, put up or shut up.

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Probably a pretty good analogy, though not how you intended.

Symbian still plodding along like Frankenstein. Gitmo still open. Nokia market share continuing to decline. Unemployment getting worse. Nokia still announcing stuff and not coming out with it for a year. Still crap loads of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and hey let's bring "Kinetic Military Action" to Libya, except no need to bother getting Congress to approve it first. Etc etc. Elop is OPK2! :D

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...or to put it another way, "They rushed it out--possibly prematurely... let's hope the ports don't fall out again."

Sometimes, the weak bully knows he can only pick on the other bullies in his own territory. To their credit, this might at least help them lessen the weakening of their brand SOMEWHERE in the world, even while consumers in the major markets begin to react to the name "Nokia" with "Oh wow.. I remember them!" and "Isn't that those cheap pay-as-you-go phones?" *shrug* I'm not sure what Nokia can do anymore to help themselves without yet another drastic change of strategy to undo some of Elop's decisions.

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did I say N9 was bad!? I did say the board opinions is just plain stupid! Fire those asholes right away! they dont have a clue how they can compete with Android/Iphone they think the solutuins is to go closed and wp7 only in european/us so stupid...

if they did innstead go out and say. "we will also continue investment in Meego also for those who prefer it" they could have got alot more intrests in this device! Instead MrFlop continue his FUD and ******** and wait release until end of q3 and also not release qwery for the geeks. Personally I would go for n9 even if geek. but as we have seen in the forum people want n950 to so why not also release this atleast english qwerty.

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I don't know why but while reading these threads I have an urge to go insane and start running around and shout arbitrary opinions like a maniac. And the more I think that some people will take me seriously and try to convince me I am wrong the more I want to do it.

but I'm still holding myself for now

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Please do. And please videotape it. Thank you in advance.

Points for curses in different languages. Bonus points for esoteric or dead languages. Navajo and Prussian will suffice.

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most of the hw is from 2010 and probadly stable. what he meant was probadly the UI that was rewritten in about seven months... and thats good cause of qml was not even ready when they started rewrite.

and btw. about broken hw the reason they dont release n950 could be because n950 hw is not rockstable who knows....

they maybe didnt want to fail with hw yet again like n900. Hell maybe the board where smart for ones :O

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Clearly, the hardware was from 2010... possibly 2009. Didn't need convincing there, but the idea that they rushed anything seems like the pinnacle of hilarity given the amount of between the N900 and the N9. Most companies will have put out dozens of new consumer devices just in the time between the N900 came out and the N9 comes out--and most of those will STILL have better specifications, more features and far newer operating systems than the N9's. It just doesn't reflect well on either the device nor on the brand. Nokia needed to do a better job and still needs to do a better job and that doesn't even begin touch on their largest flaws: communication, point of presence, repair and support.

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Because it has been discussed many many many times already over and over. I could of course use the search facility on this board and Google and find all that for you, but I don't want to, you can do it yourself. Quite frankly I'm simply too fed up with ignorant and lazy fools to bother, and I don't care what you want to think or believe, you are so off that it is irrelevant.

That link shows where Nokia will sell the N9 through it's online store, that is all. It has already been confirmed a month ago that all the Nordic (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark) will get the N9 in September. It is confirmed that all of Europe except UK, Spain, France, Germany and Netherlands will get it. It is confirmed in Australia, Argentine, Brazil.

It has also been confirmed that only France, UK, Germany, Spain and Netherlands will get the first batch of WP together with US and Canada. This will happen sometimes later, October-November-December. The rest of the world will get WP as soon as zune is up and running at the various places, that could take a year from now.

The big question is, will Fr, UK, Ge, Es, NL, US and Ca "get" the N9? Probably/maybe not in the first batch in September, not "natively" at least, whatever "natively" is supposed to mean in Europe.

Those are the facts, and I let it be an exercise for you lazy bunch of infidels to prove me right (95% can be found at appropriate Nokia web sites, the rest elsewhere), he he.

Your next wrong is your intentions. You can look at the facts and say why? I tell you the reasons are business as usual, nothing more, nothing less, and all this can be found in the tech news sites. A good start is AAS. Now, if you come up with some Eloptian conspiracy theory, it proves two things: 1- You have no clue about business, none at all (remember, business is cruel and unforgiving, and Nokia has ****ed it up on a grand scale during the last 2-3 years) and 2- your psyche needs to be checked, conspiracy theories is the last step before insanity, or you are just a child.

IMO discussions about business should be banned on this site. There are way too many ignorant, lazy fools here with a conspiracy theory for every little detail they are too ignorant and lazy to understand. This thread for instance, should be closed the moment it was created.

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You've committed a treasonous act of self-irony and should be banned permanently for violating your own rule about discussing business and posting onto the very thread you said should have been closed the moment it was created. BEGONE, FOOL! :)

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Well Gerbick, if you don't have anything to say, then don't say it. Your comment is just a useless piece of junk, and you know it.

Gerbick added to the ignore list.

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At this rate, he's going to have pretty much most of the members on ignore. :) Isn't that like wearing peril sensitive sunglasses then crossing the highway aimlessly?

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Why would nokia want zune on their phones, they have their own music service. The release in only a few countries does not make sense if they want to push wp7. Selling the N9 is a mistake, if they are really so convinced of their strategy. You don't launch such a phone as a testbed.

Thats what you always say, because your arguments are not exactly sophisticated.

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Talk for yourself hahaha i am not on his ignor list and neither is he on mine ;)

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Zune marketplace. WP is nothing without this ecosystem. And you are right, my arguments are NOT sophisticated, and I have never intended them to be.

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One of the reasons i like you because you talk it plain straight and the way it is ;).

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Yeah well you can buy music, videos, podcasts in other places. Consumers are not that ******ed, no matter what the ecosystem gurus tell us. Still I bet nokia is not stupid enough to put zune on their handsets, they have to offer their own stuff.

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This thread is still alive??? Or this must be the Afterlife...

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It's the afterlife and my real name is Dev-IL Johnson, and I rule this plaze :eek: