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Yeah. Besides, if Lumias fail, Nokia might as well die and this for sure would be a disaster.

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Where? If you're talking about the U.S., cough up some numbers or GTFO. While we're waiting, everyone can take a look at this:

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That's less than a month and a half ago from an article that's less than a week old.

Found here:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...html?ispopup=y

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im focusing on what i need, and if it fails in that department it fails totally for me, there are no good sides to a device that isnt compliant with my needs and wants...

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or it might go back to producing best devices using symbian and maemo as their OS which is a result all sane people are hoping for

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and the margin of error is +/- 1.5%?

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Lumiaman posted that already. It's bull, when you don't narrow it down so much the phone is being outsold by 5 other phones including the SII. Look at bestsellers on the right.

http://wireless.amazon.com/

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Don't get me wrong, I would sign for it right now if I had a choice, and if, also hypothetically speaking, I could lure all devs to MeeGo, otherwise a good platform with no apps is not very appealing.
Symbian...unless they make it more modular like Android (i.e.: ability to choose default apps for everything) and integrated with sharing services (i.e.: having more sharing options in gallery than just FB and Twitter), I would ditch it for good. Its architecture is old. MeeGo is much better and flexible in this aspect and would have been a big hit, had it not come when Nokia's fame was at its lowest.
Right now, hoping in good sales for Lumias is a win-win because an improvement in the financial situation of the group could serve to keep other projects going in the background. In fact, Nokia never signed an exclusive to MS. They can release other phones with other OSes as well.

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Finally someone with a response that makes sense. I agree with you 100%. Others, however, are too hateful to comprehend.

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A snippet from Stephen Elop's interview:

Nokia: So, why should we choose you over the other candidates?

Elop: I'll give you a billion dollars.

Nokia: Can you start on Wednesday?

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^^^ Excellent :D

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Symbian's not young and fresh like *nix then?

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GTFO yourself you zealot. Take a look at this

And this. WP has 1% share on statcounter in Europe. Not much, but a twice as much as 4 months ago.

WP is slowly gaining overall, and with the Amazon sales of the L900 it should be pretty obvious that Nokia is not dead - yet. Nokia has yet to release the L900 in most of Europe, but the big one will be the release of the L610. The L610 is the first easy going (grandma-approved) and cheap smartphone to be released ever.

Then later on this phone (presumably the Lumia PureView) will be released. Fancy looks, like it or hate it, but that device will sell. If the rumors are correct.

A common mistake among the not so bright is to extrapolate from what is. For instance, Nokia is going down on the charts and WP is overshadowed by iOS and Android - therefore WP+Nokia will fail. WP+Nokia may still fail, but only if MS and Nokia fail to deliver what they promise. So far that is not the case.

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The "not so bright" actually say things like "like it or not this is how it's going to be" based on no evidence and no reason, the bright ones extrapolate from data. That's not to say things aren't going to change but his data and logic is more concrete than yours. I guess by your logic symbian was on the up too in December.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os...-200812-201204

He posted a general trend, real data, not posting the same "Lumia tops amazon, but only on contract phones and only on AT&T" when it already has been addressed three times in this thread.
Once again, the Lumia 900 near its release date is being outsold at the moment.
The best sellers are on the right:
http://wireless.amazon.com/
The Droid RAZR Maxx is currently number one though I presume it will work its way up as it's release date was not long ago and as AT&T continue to try and convince people that their new exclusive phone is the thing to have. The hype will then die down then Nokia will release another mediocre phone with yet another old feature added, then rinse and repeat to profit.

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Lumia 900 is not available unlocked, but only with a plan at the moment. That is why you dont see it in the total bestseller list!!!!

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This may change depending on when you look at it, but even on the "cellphone with plan" sales rankings it's third to the RAZR MAXX (Verizon) and the Galaxy Nexus (Verizon).

http://wireless.amazon.com/b/6841770...%3Dbestselling

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No its not. You are wrong. You need to go to phones with service plans, bestsellers, and both black and cyan are on top of the list.

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-C..._nav_cps_1_cps

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Two things. First, here's the actual price for the phone at Amazon:

$20 for existing AT&T customers with a two year contract extension.

$50 for new customers with a two year contract.

Not free, but up to $210 cheaper than the next highest trending phone. The Motorola DROID RAZR MAXX costs $230 for existing Verizon customers; $200 for new customers. With two year contracts, of course.

Second, transients aren't trends. This more closely resembles an overly hyped movie weekend. Windows fans finally got a decent, cheap handset, but now things will probably settle back down. Pondered more optimistically here:

No Denying Strong Lumia Debut at AT&T

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so seperate prepaid too? You said unlocked, Like I said the link I provided is for amazon and specifically for mobiles and offers better filters for the bestsellers. It is also updated every time you refresh the page rather than hourly. I'm not even sure why you are fixated on this very specific statistic anyway but if you want the latest and most flexible bestseller tracker the link I provided is fine.

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So... nobody is commenting on how the Lumia 900 and how there's already a glitch and fix out and Nokia is giving anybody $100 for buying one by April 21st...

Don't know if the Lumia 900 release is a fail, epic fail, or something that only danramos can label... "ultra-mega fail" perhaps?

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Nokia's and Microsoft's new motto:

"Better Than Free"

Linux can't compete with that.

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Where??
That's actually a great position to take for them.

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It would have been news if the Lumia 900 came out and had no problems. Glitches and software fails are just Tuesday at Nokia these days

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I reckon Nokia should be commended for acting so quick and being positive for this "glitch".

They appear to be open and frank with this issue in describing the fault being with the software and carrier, then offering replacement handsets and money back too. That's a Win-Win for customer service in my book and such a stark contrast when compared to the old nokia we know where you would have to wait for a bug-fix update.

It is also amazing service when you compare them to other manufacturers too... Apple would claim it to be an omitted feature left out so not to compromise the stability of the OS and the Androids would be arguing that they do not have enough conclusive evidence from end users to the claim it as a fault. (okay, a slight exaggeration) ;)

But still, credit where it is due. Well done to nokia for acting so soon!

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The Fail never seems to end for Nokia, MS and the Lumia 900

If Nokia or MS were even a little bit relevant Lumia 900 would probably replace the word fail on the internet

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LOL!

Nokia lowers Devices & Services first quarter 2012 outlook and provides second quarter 2012 outlook

Windows Phone does a great Job...

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So they now do admit that WP was a fault?

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2m lumias sold in the 1Q.

2% market share.

not good, but the 900 sales look promising.

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now elop will blame that Symbian fanboys are not buying windows phones.

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:D

I think Symbian fanboys = Nokia fanboys
Maemo/Meego fanboys = Nokia fanboys
WP fanboys = Nokia fanboys
but
Nokia fanboys != Symbian fanboys
Nokia fanboys != Maemo/meego fanboys
Nokia fanboys != WP fanboys.

WP and Lumia will not fail. But they will not become the new Android either. They will however create a viable ecosystem where people in general are more satisfied than they are with Android or iOS for various reasons.

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no
symbian fanboys does not mean nokia fanboys, i dont like nokia as a company but i "love" symbian and consider it a best smartphone OS no matter if its on a nokia, SE or a samsung
and maemo fanboys=gnu/linux fanboys and not nokia fanboys

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With their current market share Nokia's and MS' ad depts should concentrate on hipster dollar: You have heard of this OS, but have you seen anyone actually using it?
That should get the ball rolling

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So you love Symbian, but you hate the phone it's installed in ? :D You don't make much sense Grimy.

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i dont hate the phone, i "love" symbian powered devices, that does NOT mean that i have to like nokia as a company and their decisions

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WM had between 2 and 3 % market share in European countries, except Germany where it was about double that.
WP has barely been able to keep WM users in the m$ camp in absolute numbers...
not going to bother how much they lost excactly, but if they are down to 1% (maybe only with WP, WM still selling too?) they stagnate, at best...

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Nokia has sold 2 mill Lumias. This is in Europe and Lumia 800 mostly I presume. This is not bad considering the small number of countries it has been sold in, and the short time it has been available.

Overall it does not look all that good for Nokia I must admit. But it's not all black, Lumia and WP IS gaining momentum whether you like it or not.

Add: WM had 2-3 % market share at a time when smartphones had 5-10 % market share. Now WP has 1% market share when smartphones have 60% market share. You cannot compare market share like that. WM was "big" in a completely different world, smartphone vise.

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The number is for 1Q 2012, so it has been available from some time, at least in europe. The Lumia 710 was available in the US. China was missing though.

I think whether it gains momentum or not depends on lumia 900 sales in the US.

I guess they will have at least 5% market share til the end of the year.
If nokia survives it ;)

Won't be easy though since apollo is late and the galaxy3 will make the 900 look like childs play.

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One thing to remember though:
US - 300 mil
China+India - ~3 bil

It's really cute US sales are all this thread is about (and EU with similarly niche numbers), Elop's Asha and next billion plan seems like a great long-term investment (not many CEOs do that as it doesn't increase their immediate return peronally, kudos). Get the brand and quality recognized with feature phones, wait for them to start the smartphone boom as experienced in the west. Numbers can get upside down in a year if same happens there.

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Problem is, nokia is losing lots of market share in those countries, especially china. China is the largest smartphone market by now, but nokia has essentially "abandoned" the market by killing symbian. In the US and in many european countries it didn't really matter that they killed off symbian without a proper upgrade path (speak Qt and meego). In China and in other places nokia was still dominant and symbian good enough to compete with android. Do you really think nokia can recapture the market from bottom up? I think thats the biggest fail of of the wp strategy, they essentially lost china.

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Just check their last intro to Asha (mwc was it, or...), cheap phones with most expected features for cheap(for now) markets. With their quality HW they will build their brand much better than iOS for the communist party members as a sign of power/influence. We're not talking about the BMW riding class of chinese, but mass users. This is where the fight is now.Some 300 mil opf adults using phones, not 300 mil including children and elderly