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Nemo runs fine on the N9: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nem...lling#Nokia_N9

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I don't seethe need for topmost SoC in Jolla future device. Why should I care about my device CPU if everything runs smoothly, my battery lasts 4-5 days on normal load, built quality is rock solid, materials premium and design beautiful? I don't give a f*ck about the SoC used then.
Just a small comparison - Contacts app on my N9 loads 1 sec. faster than contacts on SGS3...and that's the highest specced device for 2012. So why do I need quad core CPU?!
Just my 5 cents on the subject...

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+1 to this
bumping specs is just a gimmick for buyers that don't know what they want and why but they do know that 4 is more than 2. Relevance of that fact is not important for them.
For me, top HW means only very high price while the device actually has no real value as a product because in 3-4 months there will be new one. I'll rather go with last year HW but with optimized SW, lower price and most likely longer battery life. Which is still far more important to me for a mobile device than some benchmark results or fact that S3 opens some app 27ms faster than htc oneX or something like that.

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100% agreement here.

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There are 3 or more generations of Cortex A9, for example. And from 1.0 to new 3.0 GHz ! So releasing a smartphone with a new SoC using last generation dual core Cortex A9 @ 2-3 GHz is not "mediocre tech" at all. It would have 8-12x the performance of a N9 CPU (Cortex A8 @ 1 GHz).

About GPU, more important than specs is to be open (source code drivers), so the community can improve the OS or put other OS in the Jolla smartphone.

Well, about the media, they don't call iPhone a "mediocre tech" even if it always has less RAM and less powerful CPU than Android smartphones and even Nokia N9 (1GB RAM > RAM of iPhone 4s* and older). So the media is not impartial, the have intere$t$ when they write every sentece about a device.

(*) : ok, why to put a lot of RAM in iPhone if it can't really multi-task ?! :p

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the one who brag about specs usually came from

1. Android fanbase
2. Windoze overclocker
3. Or just some common particle who follows the 'stupid-trending-people-say-that'

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I do care for the specs, but also for how much it costs. I don't want an uber specced phone for 800+€. The low of the high range is largely good enough for me today.

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I agree with most of the people here, that specs are not important as long as the software is optimized for it, however, there are different types of specs...

For example for most, I don't care about the SoC or display resolution, but I do care if the defice has, say, IR, FM transmitter, HW keyboard, notification LED etc. Those things are important as they make a difference and add a functionality (or a possibility of it).

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@nodevel
Very good point and clarification - we are speaking about "specs", but most of us mean SoC/GPU/RAM.
Of course as I stated above - we/me DO care about display type/resolution, HW keyboard, built quality and materials, design etc. For me they must be top notch and I am willing to pay for it. I want to have pleasure when using the device, when looking at it and when holding it in my hand. :)

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Higher specs is a tradeoff - more cores require more power - which means shorter battery life. But modern heavy applications like browsers and etc.benefit a lot from multithreading. So it's not only multitasking that is affected. Keep that in mind in general when developing applications by the way.

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^ This.
I have no problem paying top dollar for a device with high quality hardware and cutting edge design.
It would seem that Jolla have teamed up with Creoir for their design. These guys are essentially the old in-house Nokia design team rebranded, and they have been responsible for some of the most iconic and innovative designs that have come out of Nokia.

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Ok guys, be honest, none of us give a sh*t of how much the device will cost, we are all kinda loaded, right? :D

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I think eg the camera is closed hardware and unlikely to ever work. With N9 and its huge memory, I suspect porting Sailfish libraries to Harmattan will be the way forward.

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We (well, many of us) did buy a N9 when it was just getting available and expensive, so yeah :D

Indeed, I'm willing to pay premium for a premium device. However "high end" to me is actually something different than full hd, large screens and octacore cpus.

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Often the opposite.

Power usage is proportional to the square of the voltage, so you're better running multiple low voltage cores than one high voltage one.

Also, as we know, the biggest drain on smartphone battery life is what the phone is using when idling. As such, ARM's Big.Little architecture is ideal for smartphones.

All right, the specs comment hit a nerve. First, I own and use devices of all sorts of spec levels. Nokia-wise, I've got an E7, n900, and N9--and each has been my daily driver for extended periods--so I speak from first hand knowledge. And from my experience, specs matter.

My N9 went down the other day, so I was back on my E7 for a full day. Trust me, do this and then ask yourself if specs like RAM and cpu matter--you will agree that they do. Does this make the E7 a bad phone? Of course not. Does the spec imbalance mean that the N9 outperforms it in, say, fluidity and multitasking, for example? You bet your Sailfish.

But if you care about a tilt screen slider QWERTY design running Symbian, the E7 wins hands down. Specs are the hardware foundation of performance, and performance is a key to the device experience, in my opinion. Software can only do so much to make up for hardware deficits. Please prove me wrong by coding my E7 to outperform my N9 in all cases (I love that keyboard). The E7's spec deficit won't get in the way, will it?

We don't know either the HW or final SW that Jolla will bring to market, though Sailfish fills me with hope. But I don't buy that specs don't matter, because in the intense competition that is the mobile phone marketplace, everything matters.

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World Mobile Congress


http://tweakers.net/video/7333/sailfish-os.html

Video Hands On by Tweakers.net nerd and comments as follows:

-interface finished
-browser + notifications not finished

Handling of UI looks very promising + all Android applications available from start.
Dutch KPN already negotiates with Jolla for possible undelayed release in the Netherlands.

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i would like to write some stuff here based on my experience with some operating systems.

iphone 4 shows us that top end hardware is not that important. the device is still fast and smooth even after 3 years. it still can run games like gta3 and nfs most wanted with good performance. it will kick dual core android devices' *ss. even with n950 sailfish is running very fast and smooth. although with the bugs, the n9 is also pretty fast smooth in my opinion.
so when does those kind of hardware gets important? when you have a device that has a 10 year old cpu, trying run a 3 year old operating system. yes, im talkng about the symbian^3 devices. they are indeed slow. arm11 processor is an outdated processor that can't handle today's needs of processing. e.g internet browsing. this may be another reason for why symbian lost it's user and developer base. anyway cortex a8 processors are pretty much enough to handle most of the needs of today. they are updated and are much more efficient. there are the examples. we are sure that sailfish will be using higher stuff than that so we dont have to worry about processors?

what i want to point out about hardware is that they should give more to gpu power, display techs and optimization. that is what matters the most if you ask me. they should optimize sailfish to a powerful gpu and put a display that has high refresh rates just like on the iphone. the screen on the iphone is a reason that ios' transitions are so solid and smooth. that makes the phone an eyecandy. they should do the same with sailfish.

just an end user's opinions who admire the work of jolla.

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Lets not get ahead of our self. Creoir is 9 people and Nokia has design studios in Helsinki, Espoo, Tampere, Beijing, London and California with who knows how many people. It's a large team with Ahtisaari and Peter Skillman on top.

We don't know just who these people are and in what kind of roles they had on N9 design for example.


Great new videos of the Jolla UI above btw! Looking nice once again.

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Only when they're actually being leveraged/used, otherwise the difference is negligible....

If core specs; GPU/CPU/RAM/Display/SPU etc. are well below top-end, yet it's priced like a top-end device, then I'll really struggle to be serious about it...
BQ/Design won't be enough to make up for that, top-end handsets have improved hugely there in recent mths/yrs, some unique & truly useful hw features* may sway me back, but it depends on what they are, & how bad the core specs are.

*I don't consider qwerty kb, IR etc. to be truly unique/useful, at least not for their 1st device

Didn't he leave or is about to sometime soon?

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That's true, but it works only if you can actually saturate those cores. Judging by my desktop, I rarely see CPU usages higher than 13% (quad core with H.T.). Only some specialized apps like rendering or games or video processing can make good use of this CPU.

In fact, I'd rather have a 5GHz dual core than this 3,4GHz quad; even if the maximum computing capacity would be lower, in most situation it would actually be faster. And I don't think this will be much different on a mobile platform.

I'm also not really convinced by that. The radios are much more demanding. And the screen even more so. If I leave my N9 in flight mode, with LPM disabled, I reckon it could have a battery life of over a week. Now I get barely 3 days, with LPM on, radios on and some light app and browser usage.

So, a more efficient standby-mode might yield few hours extra battery live during those 3 days. Nice to have, but not a break-through, IYAM.

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I believe he was speaking only with regards to CPU's... some good points nonetheless...

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True: my N900 is laying around, connected to wifi but not syncing anything (ie, no mail), and without sim, and it has at least 5 days of battery life :)

Here's a look at Sailfish development!

This Youtube clip from Florian Schweikert was retweeted by thp. It shows Sailfish homescreen functionality on large touchscreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rkmi...ature=youtu.be

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkEb3WSs3CI
Mobile World Congress 2013 -
Discussion Panel: Mozilla, Canonical and JollaMobile

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Jolla should hire Peter Skillman.

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Yeah t'was posted before, great listening....

But has he left Nokia, I coulda swore he had, or was going to eventually. I doubt Jolla can afford him even if he is available...
Well they could, but that'd prob. mean he's being paid substantially more than senior personnel, who've agreed to be paid no more than everyone else.
Unless he was willing to take a bit of a cut....

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he is still in bed with stephen elop and probadly will be. He doesn't give a **** what os his design is on same for that other n9 design chief.

peopl are naive if they think design folks is for open source. Designers are just designers not swgeeks. And those paying them most money can hire them. Jolla def not has chance take him or similars not until they get bigger...

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterskil...killman/tweets
btw he is on twitter

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Why? He is overvalued.

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Lol. Peter Skillman. Why should Jolla hire him?? Joke of the day. Keep Em coming :D

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Nowhere near to the same degree as Marko Ahtisaari.

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Very nice panel. Ubuntu have the best spokes person by far no we just have to wait a year for the oses :(

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No he hasn't. He was promoted this year just below Ahtisaari to have broader involvement on physical design and UX. He also is more active at tweeting about Nokia these days.
I got a feeling that Skillman is one of the people who got to the project announced by Nokia end of 2012 to invest on its high level core talents.


I wouldn't personally mind seeing Skillman or Ahtisaari on Jolla, but that's all a pipe dream. Neither do i really think Jolla should ever spent its money to people like them. Stuff from Jolla will need to be more smaller scale and organic with less strategic planning and project management that the like of Ahtisaari really does as his daily job.

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Beat me to it, yet again ;)

I think that project management and execution are centrally important to Jolla and its design partners/talent, both hardware and software. I am more focused on the final product's quality than I am on the personalities involved behind the scenes.

I'd love it if they'd get us something solidly built but not necessarily exceptional, like the BB Z10. If they produce something that looks like the HTC One, I'll be absolutely thrilled.

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Am i the only one finding it somewhat funny that persons stating SoC, GPU etc. specs are not important, still seem to use _FM_ in their cars or where ever, but not BT or at least AUX?

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Sailfish on Exopc #merproject - Video by vgrade100

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Make sure you see the latest video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEgdW3KSxkM and remember this is an unofficial piece of work and is a very early work in progress.

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The radio in my Triumph GT6 doesn't have BT or AUX.