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This is where I asked: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...49#post1390849

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But not like N9 which has the twitter tweets directly on the notification screen. Jolla has only twitter logo and number of new tweets on its notification screen. You have to click it to open separate twitter screen.

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This is beginning to sound exactly like the problem the N9 had when Microsoft updated the mfe protocol used by outlook.com - and which was fixed by Sergey Kashin's MeMailSettings tool over a year ago. Could Jolla simply have simply regurgitated the N9's outdated mfe implementation?

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Yes, I know what you mean, but it does open the last 10 or so tweets within the phone and there is then a drag down for the rest of twitter (which opens the browser version).
I think the framework is probably there to have a social feed like the N9 but it has not been implemented.

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Yeah, and that response wasn't one that I'd consider a definite answer. Sorry, but if anybody tells me that they didn't have any bluetooth issues, I question that immediately because it was a serious problem on the N9.

My biggest problem though, it seems as if - and this is going to sound harsher than I intend - a whole lot of folks are using a smartphone, be it the N9 or Jolla, for everything but making cellphone calls and testing if the bluetooth works or does not. Same for streaming music via bluetooth - another major issue on the N9.

Until that's answered, I'm going to say what you've received as an answer is not significant enough to quell my concern.

Thanks for pointing it out; I knew it had been asked. I'm looking for an informed response and less of "I didn't have a problem" when it clearly existed.

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We should stop comparing jolla with n9! It's a different phone with different OS and completely different UX paradigm. ;)

P.S. And n9 is already a zombie . :p

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gerbick: I totally get your point. Anything that is said now regarding antenna, bluetooth, call quality, etc. is only preliminary. I did read that someone used it with the car's bluetooth and it worked fine, same with Nokia 360. It is very early stages, but it is a beginning.

I already ordered my phone, but I was looking for something different: massive red flags, this is why I ask to compare it with another phone. I know my N9, I know my 5800, I am aware of a few others (e.g., Nexus 5 doesn't match N9's reception in the same low reception area, nor does it match the iPhone 4's).

Again, these aren't thorough tests, but they give you an idea. In my experience the N9 failed with a bluetooth headset (or earset maybe, not sure how to qualify it) the minute I used it. The fact that somebody else was successful the very first time tells me that there is a possibility that it's better, which works for me :-)

EDIT: since I'm here, it was also mentioned that WLAN was quite good, at least better than an Android tablet (but that's easy...). N9's is a bit poor, at least in comparison with a Nokia 5800.

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@kollin
I have to disagree with you - it is very useful to compare Jolla to N9 as we want to "measure" the Jolla performance&experience. So N9 act as a measurement unit - nearly everybody on TMO have had one, so saying something is better/worse on Jolla gives us quite good an idea. E.g. earpiece volume(said to be better on Jolla).

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No, we shouldn't. We should compare the hardware as much as we can. It is extremely useful for people to know that The Jolla performs better reception-wise than the N9 or performs worse, to quote an example. If it isn't the N9, it can be another phone, so that people get an idea.

At the very least, it is very useful for me.

Software-wise, I'm roughly with you - Sailfish will grow, there are things we won't have or we'll have to pay for (e.g., swype keyboard), but that's about it. It is a bit of a leap of faith, since if these guys fail, the software won't grow, hence I'm supporting them with my order.

N9 a zombie? It's still my main phone, and I wouldn't change it for anything (except, maybe, The Jolla ;-) ), not sure what you're talking about...

Now, back to topic, did I say that we need more videos? :-)

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How can you compare experience between something that you are using constantly for 2 years with something that you are using for 72 hours? ;)

N9 is my main phone also, but i'm retiring it immediately after i lay my hands on my new jolla. ;)

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UX experience perhaps no... (although I'm already sold), but earpiece volume and those things, yeah, you can see the difference straight away.
Maybe you are correct if you ever use one phone at a time, I use at least 2, with the odd test here and there, some things you can tell straight away. I'll argue that the sooner you tell the difference, the better, otherwise you get used to it.

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@kollin
You can compare experience easily: call/voice quality? Speed of opening messages application? Easy of accessing essential information or functions? Smoothness/fluidity? Etc., Etc...
These are all contributing to experience and perception of the device.

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I would like to know if anyone tried steam android and gmail android on jolla?

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In my experience call and voice quality is excellent, loud too. On the N9 I had the volume up to full and still struggled to hear. On the Jolla i have to turn the volume down.

Everything is quick and fluid with so far no slowdowns at all. It is as fast as you can swipe, there is never a catch up lag from the screen it is just immediate.

It just feels fast and slick and a generation way ahead of the N9 in speed and fluidity

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I really hope that this can be implemented for the Jolla event view at some point in the future.

In the N9's event view, I can scroll through all my Twitter and Facebook posts from the last few hours - I just counted 79 tweets / posts. (This without having to open an app.)

For me, that is such a powerful feature of the N9!

(That and the N9's low power mode screen.)

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Does anyone have news if (preferably) Sports Tracker or any similar Android application work on Jolla? Hoping for Bluetooth support to Android applications.

I don't want to be pushy but I'd like to order Jolla for Christmas (the deadline for that is 2 Dec) and a little more information would calm me. In my budget 399€ is a huge investment.

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Hello someone who got Jolla.
How long is USB cable and is it soft or hard? :p
My N9 cable is almost in two pieces but still works.

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About one meter and harder to bend than N9's cable.

Edit: about 93cm + connectors

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What do you mean by soft? Well, it's a bendable cable and not a stick. :)
The cable is 1m long.

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when you multitask out of an android app, does it pause?

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Yes, it pauses.

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I would like sorfter cable. Every cable in this house is harder than my N9 one. :)

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Android apps are not aware of multitasking and don't behave well in this situation, so if you don't force-pause them, they will happily eat away your battery, thinking they are still in focus by the user. AlienDalvik takes care of this by emulating Android's application lifecycle.

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I too want to try this with Strava, just not had the time to investigate how to get the apk yet. Still playing with the native phone features.

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Okay, didn't notice that. Will have to look again when I'm playing with Android apps next time.

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Excuse me? That's the whole point of GPL. To give the author the right to redistribute all improvements you've made to theiir code. That "viral" property of GPL (it contaminates everything it touches) is the main reason why commercial companies avoid GPL like a plague.

EDIT: Sorry about the OT diversion. I would delete my post but I see no point now that it's been quoted so many times. To some of you I only have to say this: using the Linux kernel, gcc, etc is miles away from using GPL code. Just try incorporating a zip algorithm from Infozip into your commercial software and you will see what I mean.

You are right, this does not belog here. My silly mistake. Sorry.

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Ya i was talking about this. So no event feed :(

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You misunderstood. The GPL doesn't force you to distribute improvements you made to someone else's code at all, neither to the original author nor to anyone else.

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@pichlo, JohnHughes, benny1967:

Snippet from Sailfish EULA:
I'd appreciate if you didn't discuss about this any further, it's off-topic (it might make a good thread on it's own).

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Linux kernel is GPL'ed. Companies are not exactly avoiding Linux, are they?

From a consumer standpoint, I think companies who think their business value is entrenched in their source code are the ones you should be wary of. They are the ones which pulls stunts on you like Adobe did with the "Creative Cloud" crap.

I hope Jolla will open up the remaining code. GPL is fine. That does not mean they lose control - Google didn't exactly lost control of Android either.

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Someone made video recording sample.
http://youtu.be/HhzCWzUa0ZE

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There's already MeeRun which I think is getting a Sailfish version. The thread is here, that's something which can be asked.

Sports Tracker had a MeeGo version, would be good to ask - since they are also former Nokia/Maemo folks, if they are looking at SailfishOS for a direction for their software. Probably not now with just about 500 users, but something to look for when/if another OEM decides to run with Sailfish.

I would imagine that part of the "features that didn't make it this version" is that of connectivity to activity/fitness trackers and their associated services. Of note on my end, I wonder if Jolla has spoken to their Finnish partners at Polar? And even if not, there's Rocke****ch which already supports the Pebble (and via my asking in that thread, could actually support several other wearables).

Speaking back to that this is a UX, not a "wish Jolla had this" thread - there has been very little commentary towards the Jolla working with various Bluetooth accessories. I wonder if this was intentional towards this phase of the project? There are a lot of items which any one of us can state are necessary towards a mobile in its first release. Accessory compatibility, and even a sense of greater ease in connecting to them, seems like something Jolla has room to give insight towards their thinking on that.

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Techcrunch just posted a huge article about jolla mentioning hwkb-oh:
http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/30/jolla-first-phone/

“Putting something like a keyboard is expected,” said Jolla co-founder Marc Dillon. “We are working on the developers kit so that anybody can do this… We're working on accessories, and we expect third parties to work on accessories.”

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It would be nice if you could force-disable it for some apps though...

Also I'm curious, if you open a browser via terminal, does it open a new instance? That would solve the browser-tab-reloading issue.

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Android Skype seems to work quite good (half a second latency) but the sound output is always on speakers. Also the proximity sensor does not work with Skype.

While N900 has working jabber videocall, it is not encrypted and does not work through most firewalls.

Jingle relay node on the XMPP server is required for audio to work properly between internal and external networks, and I assume that every internal network would have to have one of these to support the scenario where anyone could call anyone else, from everywhere.
Unfortunately for example OpenFire's jingle plugin did not work at all when I tested it month ago. (OpenFire is used on the server I'm hosting.)

XMPP audio and video generally is a pain in the bum, as it uses streaming port auto negotiation on specific range of ports, and uses only UDP for the streams. Most of the companies block both inbound and outbound traffic, cutting out all XMPP streams in the process.

Skype goes around this problem by using any open ports it can find. In addition to this I suppose it uses, from the streaming view point, more technically inefficient TCP or TCP wrapper for streaming. Inefficiency is neglible when the network speeds are good these days. Again I suppose Google Talk uses the same method for their video call streaming.

Common XMPP audio+video is still pretty much work in progress IMHO. For instance Windows client of Pidgin does not support it yet, and on computers only Jitsi client supports encrypted videocalls (and is a bit flaky especially in its stable 2.2 line). Of Android clients nightly build of Jitsi seems to be the only XMPP client supporting video calls if you exclude Cisco's proprietary solutions for their own gear.

After saying all this I'm still going to test android version of nightly build of Jitsi (see jitzi.org for details) behind the firewall next Monday. It will be interesting, but I really don't expect it to work, as I can't recall it working on "real" android either.

Of course I'm hoping that Jolla will get Skype and Google Talk video calls working too, but especially with Google I expect them to slowly move to their evil native and proprietary Hangouts implementation. And we are not likely to see that on Jolla (nor on any android fork).

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When I did the Android Skype test today, I had Skype multitasked away. When I called from computer to phone, Skype jumped to the fullscreen immediately. So there might be some exceptions to the rule...

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http://mynokiablog.com/2013/11/29/ho...m-jolla-phone/

I didn't see this posted here...

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Normally, Android apps are paused by the system when they're no longer running in foreground. But Android apps can instantiate services, which can run in background. I guess the ACL is actually a quite low-level layer between the Linux/glibc-castrate called Android and the true Linux/glibc on Jolla. But as such, just about everything of Android runs just like on a real Android device.

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I confirm this working! :)

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Yes, apps may spawn background processes.