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mikecomputing

2017-07-23 21:23

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1530949)

A new blog post on the Jolla+Xperia project:

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.com/2017...-x-single.html

This statement howerver worries me a bit:

It sounds like an official SFOS release for Xperia X could be 3+ months away and that Jolla have many more obstacles than they initially thought.

My Jolla 1 is getting so slow and I'm really eager to get a fully working replacement device.

3 month seriously? It is soon august do not expect any official support this year. By that Xperia X is not even selling in my country since it is now replaced by XZ(S/P). And the XZP is probadly far from ready to get SFOS. I am not sure it even will be supported.

I guess it is time to move on. I just want a decent phone with GOOD camera by that I don't mean 10000000000Gpixel camera but decent quality of taken pictures.

For years I have been waiting for a good decent FOSS based smartphone with good camera. But still they are pace of garbage. FP2 crap/jolla1 crap and so on. It seems not even Sony can with compete with Huwai P10/HTC10 or Google Pixel except maybe XZP but then again will we get the damn SFOS on in? I doubt maybe 2025. So my guess is it ends with an android phone or iphone7S for me.

nieldk

2017-07-24 07:39

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1531209)

If you want something “fast” and good. I can only recommend Oneplus X.

pexi	2017-07-24 08:30

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1531209)

I've used Xperia X and with the stock Android it performs well and the camera quality is pretty top notch. I've never seen so good pictures on phone before - however I am not very experienced in phone cameras.

My plan is to backup Xperia X DRM, install SFOS with multirom and restore DRM so I have the original with the SFOS if needed but I think Jolla people are doing good job with the camera software.

lantern

2017-07-24 08:44

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1531227)

My plan is to backup Xperia X DRM, install SFOS with multirom and restore DRM so I have the original with the SFOS if needed but I think Jolla people are doing good job with the camera software.

Restoring TA partition locks bootloader. So you can't do that.

mikecomputing

2017-07-24 08:59

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1531227)

Let's hope you are right. I would not mind buy a Xperia if I was sure camera was as good as stock android version and also we must have dalvik in SFOS. And I want to be sure SFOS really will be released. Or else I better go Huwai or Google Pixel.

And again DRM camera/gfx drivers make me wonder if it will be legal to install SFOS with all the DRM crap needed. Sound we get similar issues that we have with FP2 where we are not allowed to run dalvik even if it is possible...

lantern

2017-07-24 09:04

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1531232)

And again DRM camera/gfx drivers make me wonder if it will be legal to install SFOS with all the DRM crap needed.

Western people are too worried with legal issues.
Jolla will provide SFOS image with dalvik and no DRM stuff. Everything else (patching kernel, hooking DRM keys access) is up to users.
It is your phone, do what you wanna do.

pexi	2017-07-24 09:52

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1531232)

By stock Android I mean stock Sony Android. Not AOSP.

dameceno

2017-07-24 11:15

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by hardy_magnus (Post 1530843)

is it a wise decision to buy x in advance? i mean to say what if jolla abondons the project or the images they come up with aren't cool enough for the users?

You've got a point there man, but our tenacity to desire it to happen can be incentive enough to get these two names to do good on their promises. I am still in search of an Xperia X myself, fairly used preferably but will not mind going for one out of the box if need be, that is how cool that device would be with Sailfish on it, but till we are given the link to that firmware, the phone is not a priority, Android an I are so incompatible that device won't be used till Jolla makes the magic happen

lkravovicz

2017-07-25 09:13

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by hardy_magnus (Post 1530843)

is it a wise decision to buy x in advance? i mean to say what if jolla abondons the project or the images they come up with aren't cool enough for the users?

I'm not buying it in advance anymore, and I have everything from the past: N800 - ... - FP2/Sailfish

I think it's at least 75/25 that a solid Xperia port will emerge, but "when", whether Xperia X is too out of date by that time, and whether this 64-bit port helps the next newer device get it faster - all unknowns.

pexi	2017-07-25 09:32

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by lkravovicz (Post 1531308)

Definately it lays ground for the better models. Even when I have the Xperia X I hope very very much that SFOS makes it to the flagship models. It's time to bring SFOS out of the second class phones into the flagships.

Multiple cores, ram and loads of performance should shine on a real multitasking Operating System.. compared to Android / iPhone application environments which were intended to drive a single application at a time.

elastic

2017-07-25 17:44

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

I must confess, that after the Xperia X has been my first 5" device I'm getting used to the size (never thought I could) plus I'm starting to use it more often than my Jolla despite Android - I'm feeling trapped by Sony and Google (and Jolla who made me buying this Box of the Pandora ...) It's just so convenient using all the comfort offered by only giving up your privacy - hurry up Jolla or I might be lost in the Google brainwash universe - rescue me

Jedibeeftrix

2017-07-25 21:47

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

unless you're a dainty little princess (or donald trump), then a 5" shell the size of the xperia X is perfectly manageable.

current phone is 5.2" P8, and that for my hand is likewise manageable.

mariusmssj

2017-07-26 10:35

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by elastic (Post 1531343)

I tried using Windows phone and android but the lack of gestures was just a killer :( But I do see what you mean by convenience in exchange for privacy.

I really really really hope Jolla gets it sorted quickly

delmar

2017-07-26 13:50

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by elastic (Post 1531343)

Similar worried situation here. I'm looking at HMD to know the specs of Nokia 8 (Android) they should release in the next months. Now let's see who is faster, they or Jolla.

JoOppen

2017-07-26 15:17

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by elastic (Post 1531343)

For me, it is exactly the opposite: the longer I try the Xperia X, the more I miss Sailfish. There are so many things in Android I can’t get used to and there are even things that simply don’t work nicely. For instance, I tried Citrix on the Aquafish and the Tablet and it works nicely (with Alien Dalvik). On the Xperia X I have all sorts of problems, one being that the status bar or these stupid symbols for “back”, “home” and “opened apps” (that you can’t use anyway because of lack of multitasking) come across and interfere with the Citrix Desktop, hindering me in saving documents etc..

Android is just a nightmare.

alfmar

2017-07-27 16:33

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1531209)

3 month seriously?

That "3+ months" looks like FUD - with or without malice. But maybe it's because the original poster didn't cite the exact paragraph.

Jolla can't afford shipping SFOSXX in a hurry, especially if it comes with a price tag to download it and a bit of a hassle to install it. And even more because if this goes well, the door to native SFOS Sony-tier cellphones will be wide open. And AFAIK noone except Android and Winphone can get the interest of a top-tier OEM.

I also am very excited to have SFOS on a 5" device. Used to watch movies on the Jolla phone while long-distance commuting, a 7" tablet was too big, the Jolla phone seemed a bit smaller than needed (albeit a perfect screen, even if it was an exact quarter of the full HD). Funny, my everyday desktop monitor is 27" full HD, whereas Xperia X is 5" full HD. Maybe every cellphone manufacturer found that it's easier to add megapixels than making a phone battery last two days of heavy usage...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1531152)

totally disagree about the 'joy' of still being able to use micro-usb (2.0) in the years 2018/19.

The only two reasons to upgrade from micro-USB 2.0 are data throughput and battery charging current.

The only time you really feel throughput between PC and cellphone is too low, it's when you want to run a full backup from scratch.

And high current charging is still debatable - especially when the battery is not replaceable and is not brand new.

Add in the insane diffusion of USB 2.0 plugs (the bike I'm going to buy sports an USB 2 charging port, not an USB-C), and maybe you will realize that 2017-2018 is still too early to jump on the "phone with USB-C" bandwaggon. It will take quite a while to see the USB-C replace the classic USB.

latency

2017-07-27 17:00

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Had to bite the Apple today :o
My Jolla1 has served me well, but now it reboots too often and the battery is old and drainy.
I like IOS. Simple, fluid, just works...BUT not as fun and rare as Sailfish. Let's hope this fruitiness is short and sweet. I want Xperia X and Sailfish as soon as possible! :cool:

Metsämies

2017-07-27 18:29

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by latency (Post 1531438)

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2015/...for-jolla.html

atlochowski

2017-07-27 19:17

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1531441)

http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2015/...for-jolla.html

Better to buy original one http://allegro.pl/nowa-oryginalna-ba...649316614.html

nthn	2017-07-27 21:29

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by atlochowski (Post 1531445)

Better to buy original one http://allegro.pl/nowa-oryginalna-ba...649316614.html

Where did they get those? Given how fast they were sold out forever, I would have guessed there were maybe 100 extra batteries in total, ever.

atlochowski

2017-07-27 22:21

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

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Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1531453)

Where did they get those? Given how fast they were sold out forever, I would have guessed there were maybe 100 extra batteries in total, ever.

I don't know how they get this batteries.
All I know those are original batteries. I ordered 5 batteries abut 3 mouths ago to help Jolla phone users from abroad. 3 sent to Jolla phone users in Finland and 2 to Netherlands. They are still happy users of this batteries.

allegro.pl is "Polish ebay".

Fellfrosch

2017-07-28 07:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Are you sure these are original ones, or is it possible that these are just jolla labeled third party batteries?

atlochowski

2017-07-28 08:03

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1531474)

Are you sure these are original ones, or is it possible that these are just jolla labeled third party batteries?

Those batteries looks like original. I measured electrical parameters and it's the same as original. Exactly the same dimensions.

I had 5 of them in my hands and for me they are original.

lantern

2017-07-28 11:10

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

guys, this is so much off topic

BluesLee

2017-07-28 11:26

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1531484)

guys, this is so much off topic

That is the risk in such threads about some software / hardware which yet has to be published. For me the complete thread is off topic until the day Jolla delivers something ;)

ejjoman

2017-07-28 12:25

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

GF and me finally pulled the trigger and ordered us each a Xperia X :).
I hope, we'll see official SFOS port soon (and hopefully without ™ ;) )

nieldk

2017-07-28 13:19

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by ejjoman (Post 1531492)

GF and me finally pulled the trigger and ordered us each a Xperia X :).
I hope, we'll see official SFOS port soon (and hopefully without ™ ;) )

Def. with a tm. It’s going for a yet unknown price.

shmerl

2017-07-28 19:16

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Will there be community (free) version? I don't care about Alien Dalvik and stuff like exFAT. Or even drivers need to be paid for?

Feathers McGraw

2017-07-28 19:24

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1531527)

Will there be community (free) version? I don't care about Alien Dalvik and stuff like exFAT. Or even drivers need to be paid for?

I'd say there's a 99% probability that someone will package a free version that doesn't include the proprietary bits. Don't expect Jolla to provide it though.

m4r0v3r

2017-07-29 11:20

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

tbh am curious how Jolla was ensure piracy doesn't occur. If its just a flashable image I can see it being shared quickly and easily.

Feathers McGraw

2017-07-29 12:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1531572)

tbh am curious how Jolla was ensure piracy doesn't occur. If its just a flashable image I can see it being shared quickly and easily.

I don't think they will go over the top to prevent it, just do enough to make it non-trivial.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw (Post 1529917)

Jolla only has to make it easier to pay, and most people will pay. This community has enough technical know-how to dump an image from one device and share it if we want, but I think most people here recognise that it's worth paying to support the company.

...

As others have mentioned, the 3rd party proprietary packages shipped with official devices (text prediction library, Microsoft exchange support, alien dalvik etc.) are contained in a separate repository. If you're using a community port it's currently possible to add the repository and install these components (although AD won't work because it needs kernel modifications IIRC). It's "not allowed" but it's not impossible either because making it impossible has implications on privacy, takes time and effort, and people would inevitably find a way around it if they wanted.

mariusmssj

2017-07-29 16:02

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Also for those here in the UK who don't mind a refurbished one their on ebay being sold by envirofone for £129.99 unlocked

nieldk

2017-07-29 16:26

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1531572)

tbh am curious how Jolla was ensure piracy doesn't occur. If its just a flashable image I can see it being shared quickly and easily.

Since Xperia X has DRM keys, they could use DRM to make it difficult to pirate Alien Dalvik to other devices. Hard to circumvent without breaking other functions.

m4r0v3r

2017-07-29 16:54

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

i got mine from envirophone too, they were decent. tempted to just start a port since the huawei p9 is not doing well

aspergerguy

2017-07-29 19:05

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1531586)

Also for those here in the UK who don't mind a refurbished one their on ebay being sold by envirofone for £129.99 unlocked

Bear in mind that if any of these refurbished phones started life as O2 or EE and have been subsequently network unlocked and generic software flashed, you won't be able to unlock the bootloader.

mariusmssj

2017-07-29 20:10

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by aspergerguy (Post 1531597)

Bear in mind that if any of these refurbished phones started life as O2 or EE and have been subsequently network unlocked and generic software flashed, you won't be able to unlock the bootloader.

Ohhh I never knew that. Do networks lock boot-loaders on the phones?

Jedibeeftrix

2017-07-30 09:33

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1531572)

tbh am curious how Jolla was ensure piracy doesn't occur. If its just a flashable image I can see it being shared quickly and easily.

i'd be happy to have the drm in the installer.

aspergerguy

2017-07-30 13:18

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1531600)

Ohhh I never knew that. Do networks lock boot-loaders on the phones?

Always interesting to ask UK seller on Ebay "Is Xperia factory unlocked or network one subsequently unlocked? Could you open the dialler and enter *#*#7378423#*#* to access the Service menu then Tap Service info > Configuration > Rooting Status. If Bootloader unlock allowed says YES"

Learn to avoid sellers whom say it's already reset & packed or it's in a warehouse and can't access it.;)

nthn	2017-07-30 13:49

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by aspergerguy (Post 1531597)

Bear in mind that if any of these refurbished phones started life as O2 or EE and have been subsequently network unlocked and generic software flashed, you won't be able to unlock the bootloader.

How come the bootloader can no longer be unlocked if the device was simlocked?

nieldk

2017-07-30 14:17

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices

Quote:

Originally Posted by nthn (Post 1531634)

How come the bootloader can no longer be unlocked if the device was simlocked?

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