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gerbick 2011-06-21 15:41

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034917)
the question was directed to damion. which "N950" does he have, the 8mpix model or the 12mpix one?

Which do you have (or have had)?

damion 2011-06-21 15:50

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Oddly the menu says 7MP:

damion@pants:/tmp$ exif 20110621_001.jpg
EXIF tags in '20110621_001.jpg' ('Intel' byte order):
--------------------+----------------------------------------------------------
Tag |Value
--------------------+----------------------------------------------------------
Manufacturer |Nokia
Model |N950
...
...

It's 3522x3000 in its maximum size.

Video is terribly broken up in mplayer which reports:

VIDEO: [mp4v] 1280x720 24bpp 300.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)

Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding)
FAAD: compressed input bitrate missing, assuming 128kbit/s!
AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/8.33% (ratio: 16000->192000)

It wasn't broken up in vlc. I'll try on the PS3 which I'll be quite excited about if that works as the n900 mp4s don't work.

I've enabled usb syncing and it send dhcp requests to my usb0 (My desktop is linux) but I don't have a dhcp server listening to that interface. I was hoping to nmap it and see if it's listening on anything.

I can't see any way to install a terminal and it's asking for a software update for the store. I need to hand it back as it's the end of the day now but will try and play more tomorrow.

Oh I nabbed the useragent: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (MeeGo; NokiaN950-00/00) AppleWebKit/534.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) NokiaBrowser/8.5.0 Mobile Safari/534.13

Note that it doesn't work with youtube at all, html5 in the browser apparently just means most of the latest html5 stuff, not working <video> tag, so without flash it's pretty useless. Also when scrolling up I kept switching to the menu in portrait mode.

This seems to only have 16GB or storage, divided up much like the n900 with loads of vfat and 2GB of app space.

superhero 2011-06-21 15:58

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i am now determined to learn and develop for the Nokia N9! too bad i dont have a device to test it on! but hey imma put my helping hand in this one!...

Creamy Goodness 2011-06-21 16:00

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damn. your office is way cooler than mine. people keep getting mad when i look in their desk for any n950s.

zehjotkah 2011-06-21 16:04

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1034925)
Which do you have (or have had)?

I had access to an 12mpix one...

Rugoz 2011-06-21 16:04

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Does it have micro usb hdmi output?

kanishou 2011-06-21 16:04

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by damion (Post 1034931)
Note that it doesn't work with youtube at all, html5 in the browser apparently just means most of the latest html5 stuff, not working <video> tag, so without flash it's pretty useless. Also when scrolling up I kept switching to the menu in portrait mode.

I believe youtube doesn't recognise the browser yet, and there may also be issues with your build. HTML5 video works very well, no worries.

zymo 2011-06-21 16:05

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"Nokia is planning to ship the N9 to stores later this year, and announce availability and pricing closer to the start of sales. (Don’t be surprised if this one isn’t cheap.) And it may not be long before it hits shelves: one source close to Nokia says the company would give out a developers’ edition of the phone straight away, while a full commercial edition will be available within a month." :)

source forbes - http://blogs.forbes.com/parmyolson/2...-phone-the-n9/

Mandibela 2011-06-21 16:07

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As a side-note, the 16:9 image resolution from the 12mpix sensor on the N8-00 is actually 9mpix, so it's pretty close to the 8mpx on the N9. In addition, the N9 has a f/2.2 lens, soo... It looks good?

zehjotkah 2011-06-21 16:08

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1034951)
"Nokia is planning to ship the N9 to stores later this year, and announce availability and pricing closer to the start of sales. (Don’t be surprised if this one isn’t cheap.) And it may not be long before it hits shelves: one source close to Nokia says the company would give out a developers’ edition of the phone straight away, while a full commercial edition will be available within a month." :)

source forbes - http://blogs.forbes.com/parmyolson/2...-phone-the-n9/

haven't you seen the community device program yet?
https://meego.com/community/device-program
edit: through the community device program only 250 devices are available, they will be sent out from next week on.
through the commercial (commercial doesn't mean you can buy one) device program at http://developer.nokia.com there are much more. I mean MUCH more.

Chrome 2011-06-21 16:12

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I don't know if this was mentioned before: The port in the image below looks way bigger than a regular micro usb port.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/pics/11/06/...marena_008.jpg

It actually looks like a MHL port:

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...SyFBmOKIIdUkCA

sevla 2011-06-21 16:16

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034956)
haven't you seen the community device program yet?
https://meego.com/community/device-program
edit: through the community device program only 250 devices are available, they will be sent out from next week on.
through the commercial (commercial doesn't mean you can buy one) device program at http://developer.nokia.com there are much more. I mean MUCH more.

Ok, now I'm confused.. In previous post you mentioned that the Meego Competition 2011 will not be giving out 950's for "winners". Which is it? lol

zlatokosi 2011-06-21 16:17

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandibela (Post 1034952)
As a side-note, the 16:9 image resolution from the 12mpix sensor on the N8-00 is actually 9mpix, so it's pretty close to the 8mpx on the N9. In addition, the N9 has a f/2.2 lens, soo... It looks good?

Yeah, that f/2.2 lens is very appealing. It'a actually the best hardware upgrade, IMO (except for the RAM). Should be able to take sweet pics in low light.

Bazza 2011-06-21 16:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034923)
Bazza, it is the "N950", trust me. If you had both device next to each other you'd see the difference.

Chance would be a nice thing....

billybobjones 2011-06-21 16:21

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@ Chrome

I hope thats the case as it would make this phone a much more attractive option, although Slashgear did say that it was only micro USB, so here's to hoping. Does anyone know if it's confirmed that there is no usb on the go?

zehjotkah 2011-06-21 16:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 1034963)
Ok, now I'm confused.. In previous post you mentioned that the Meego Competition 2011 will not be giving out 950's for "winners". Which is it? lol

yes, we don't have N950 dev devices for the winners of the MeeGo Coding Competition.
The coding competition has nothing to do with the community device program.
If you've done someting for the maemo/MeeGo community in the past, or plan to do so, just apply for the device program.
I wish you all good luck!

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034964)
Yeah, that f/2.2 lens is very appealing. It'a actually the best hardware upgrade, IMO (except for the RAM). Should be able to take sweet pics in low light.

I'n not that much into photography. Could you explain for us what that kind of lens and sensor means? I just know that it is taking damn good photos...

kevloral 2011-06-21 16:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1034866)
Quick question, does NFC have the capability one day to be paired up with lets say a NFC HDMI Video adapter, or is the communication speed not rapid enough to stream video?

Not rapid enough. By far.

smegheadz 2011-06-21 16:23

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i think everyone should have a browse through here:
http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe...g_started.html

I have to say i'm very impressed. They've really learned alot from previous mistakes and upped the game.

is anyone planning on developing for this? i've an idea for an integrated app which i wouldn't mind seeing, i'm not a developer and i've no time to learn.

zymo 2011-06-21 16:24

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrome (Post 1034960)
I don't know if this was mentioned before: The port in the image below looks way bigger than a regular micro usb port.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/pics/11/06/...marena_008.jpg

It actually looks like a MHL port:

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...SyFBmOKIIdUkCA

it is micro-usb.

MHL:

MHL is connection agnostic (i.e., not tied to a specific type of hardware connector). The first implementations dual-purpose the most popular mobile connection (micro USB) and the most popular HDTV connection (HDMI). Other than the connectors being used, no USB nor HDMI technology is being used. It is exclusively MHL signalling through the connectors and over the cable. Other proprietary and custom connections are also allowed.

zlatokosi 2011-06-21 16:24

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034956)
the commercial (commercial doesn't mean you can buy one) device program at http://developer.nokia.com there are much more. I mean MUCH more.

Zeh, the figure of 92,000 Dali's has been floated around before. If they are only giving 250 to the community, what is going on with the rest?

I understand they will be (have been) handed out to reviewers, devs, partners, carriers, commercial devs and so on, but the production figure still seems high to account for the difference.

At least I hope commercial developers are obliged to write software if they receive a free/leased Dali. Any info on that?

BigBadGuber! 2011-06-21 16:27

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I just both 5,000 shares of nokia. It will be $20 in one year

billybobjones 2011-06-21 16:28

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1034973)
it is micro-usb.

MHL:

MHL is connection agnostic (i.e., not tied to a specific type of hardware connector). The first implementations dual-purpose the most popular mobile connection (micro USB) and the most popular HDTV connection (HDMI). Other than the connectors being used, no USB nor HDMI technology is being used. It is exclusively MHL signalling through the connectors and over the cable. Other proprietary and custom connections are also allowed.

Forgive my ignorance but does that mean that even if the port is micro USB the n9 could use MHL signalling via a Micro USB - HDMI cable?

zymo 2011-06-21 16:31

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1034979)
Forgive my ignorance but does that mean that even if the port is micro USB the n9 could use MHL signalling via a Micro USB - HDMI cable?

yes, like samsung galaxy s2 does. BUT unfortunately the n9 doesn’t support MHL.

billybobjones 2011-06-21 16:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1034980)
yes, like samsung galaxy s2 does. BUT unfortunately the n9 doesn’t support MHL.

Sigh, awesome Nokia!

smegheadz 2011-06-21 16:33

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http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06...elop-on-meego/

a little worrying

morbid 2011-06-21 16:40

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For those missing the FM transmitter, most other phones don't have one either. So you could just get one of the many bluetooth fm transmitters available. I couldn't find one that supported NFC, but I'm sure those will come soon too.

zymo 2011-06-21 16:40

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1034983)
Sigh, awesome Nokia!

nevertheless you got tv-out over AV (headphone jack) and there is the app nokia play to. kind of dlna.

http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-play-to

Creamy Goodness 2011-06-21 16:41

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by smegheadz (Post 1034970)
i think everyone should have a browse through here:
http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe...g_started.html

I have to say i'm very impressed. They've really learned alot from previous mistakes and upped the game.

is anyone planning on developing for this? i've an idea for an integrated app which i wouldn't mind seeing, i'm not a developer and i've no time to learn.

i was very impressed with the docs available moments after launch, but they've had a lot of time to prepare those also...
my development tools also instantly updated, it can compile Qt programs to run on harmattan that were designed using the symbian and maemo 5 targets with like 2 clicks. I already tested that much, just need a developer device now ;)

zymo 2011-06-21 16:43

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by morbid (Post 1034988)
For those missing the FM transmitter, most other phones don't have one either. So you could just get one of the many bluetooth fm transmitters available. I couldn't find one that supported NFC, but I'm sure those will come soon too.

or you can buy bluetooth speakers :)

Rugoz 2011-06-21 16:44

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Quote:

nevertheless you got tv-out over AV (headphone jack) and there is the app nokia play to. kind of dlna.
Rather have an av out than a special port which is not compatible with standard usb. Seperate hdmi would have been nice, but If the quality of av is similar to hdmi out its ok.

billybobjones 2011-06-21 16:47

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1034989)
nevertheless you got tv-out over AV (headphone jack) and there is the app nokia play to. kind of dlna.

http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-play-to

aye, so does my N900, I was hoping that this might be a decent upgrade. This is where I don't get Nokia, both the N8 and E7 support HDMI out as well as USB on the go why shouldn't an even more expensive phone? I'm bothered that I'm being forced to choose between a rather slow, memory lacking phone aka N8 or not having the same connectivity on a faster phone it just doesn't serve the customer at all.

morbid 2011-06-21 16:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1034993)
or you can buy bluetooth speakers :)

For my car? No thanks... I already have speakers.

marxian 2011-06-21 16:59

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1034748)
Dude, who is more deserving or in need of an n950 than you?

Apply. Today.

I have duly applied for one today. The terms are described as 'loan', so I'm wondering if that is a 'we want it back' loan or a 'nudge, nudge, wink, wink, no need to rush sending it back' type of 'loan'. I'm not familiar with these kind of developer device programs.

To be honest, I would have preferred that Nokia distributed some devices via the Meego Coding Competion, where the merit of a developer's work is judged by users/other developers. I'm not entirely comfortable with being 'gifted' a device by some Nokia guy. It gives me the uneasy feeling of being in Nokia's back pocket.

I'm sure I'll change my mind if I get one. Then it will be 'Hail Nokia!' :D

48GX 2011-06-21 17:26

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Why do people always look at products from their point of view?

I have seen lot of posts saying what the N9 hasn't and not promoting what it has.

Do you think that Nokia has targeted the N9 with the same intentions as with the N900?

N900 was a gift from Nokia in the pre-MicroSoft era.

regards

billybobjones 2011-06-21 17:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 48GX (Post 1035035)
Why do people always look at products from their point of view?

I have seen lot of posts saying what the N9 hasn't and not promoting what it has.

Do you think that Nokia has targeted the N9 with the same intentions as with the N900?

N900 was a gift from Nokia in the pre-MicroSoft era.

regards

Because those people are Nokia's customers and lately Nokia has been shedding those customers rather quickly. It just may behoove them to pay them some attention.

I'll even expound. Most people are buying based on comparisons with competing manufactures and OS's. If Nokia keeps releasing "premium" devices at premium costs without premium hardware people most likely aren't going to bite.

The average client who wants a easy to use smart phone has either gone or is going with apple and it's Nokia's hope that they'll also go with Microsoft's phone 7. People who are still undecided are going to want something that can match the competition at the same price.

You may point out that the iphone wasn't always the latest in technology but where the iphone usually fell back on was processor speed or ram and even then not by much. in area's like their screen were they were obviously deficient they came back and smoked the competition. Where they've fallen back they've been either quick to catch up or surpass the competition when they do. The beauty of Apple is they've always known where to cut and where to add on to. but within apples product line you almost never ended up with a product that does less than it's lower priced equivalent.

Having said that, I don't want a iphone or an android phone. I would like to get the next Maemo/Meego phone but I'm left stumped wondering why, after almost 2 years, this is almost an upgrade and almost not. This N9 is not a mid tier priced device. I expect it to also have the equivalent functionalities of other equivalently priced phones and at the very least important functionalities that mid tiered priced devices have.

This isn't about wanting the fastest phone in the world and not being happy because specs aren't all above the rest. but this about wondering why Nokia is asking such a pretty penny for a product that doesn't have the very useful functions that they've included in their other products. Functions that really could have been added easily and not added much to the cost or size of this phone.

shallimus 2011-06-21 17:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1035051)
Because those people are Nokia's customers and lately Nokia has been shedding those customers rather quickly. It just may behoove them to pay them some attention.

Has it occurred to you that that's just what they are doing with the N9?

I'll say it again: we hwkb-loving terminal-using acronym-speaking code-compiling cfg-hacking geeks are a tiny minority.

ZackMorris 2011-06-21 18:02

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Ok here is another quick question about the N9, it takes a micro sim. So I have an old school plan with AT&T on my N900 and they think I have some old samsung phone with data, and they haven't changed it yet, so I am paying something like 9.99 for unlimited data. There is no way in hell I'm going to them asking for a micro sim and having my plan all changed up. So is there a process to clone a regular sim onto a micro sim, or is there a way to mod the sim (by cutting it) to a compatible micro sim?

tissot 2011-06-21 18:04

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Wait for somebody that really knows, but i believe you can cut it. So i have heard.

My microsim looks exactly same as the normal one, chip is same size, but the plastic around it is almost nonexistent.

Verythrax 2011-06-21 18:06

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1035085)
Ok here is another quick question about the N9, it takes a micro sim. So I have an old school plan with AT&T on my N900 and they think I have some old samsung phone with data, and they haven't changed it yet, so I am paying something like 9.99 for unlimited data. There is no way in hell I'm going to them asking for a micro sim and having my plan all changed up. So is there a process to clone a regular sim onto a micro sim, or is there a way to mod the sim (by cutting it) to a compatible micro sim?

Isn't it just a matter of cutting the extra plastic of the sim card carefully?

http://www.conteaqui.com.br/informat...icro-sim-card/

Saw in some forums that a lot of carriers offer microsims upon request - because of the iPhone/iPad flood, I believe.

billybobjones 2011-06-21 18:15

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shallimus (Post 1035070)
Has it occurred to you that that's just what they are doing with the N9?

I'll say it again: we hwkb-loving terminal-using acronym-speaking code-compiling cfg-hacking geeks are a tiny minority.

Shallimus, lots of quotes going around so I can understand if you hadn't read my previous posts. This isn't about terminals, geeks, hardware keyboards or monster specs. This complaint was merely about why they couldn't have added HDMI out to a device the supports HDMI playback, as well as USB, on the go. Of course, these are features I was personally hoping to see, features I might add, that are on Nokias' other newish mass marketed phones. I also agree that for others perhaps they would have preferred a dual core chip or higher rez screen. Even then, why not? This doesn't make it a geek phone just a competitive one. If Samsung, LG, Sony and Apple for even less mula can provide this? Why not Nokia? There is some basic mass market functionality being left out here that really didn't have to be. Thats all


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