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Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?

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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 910976)

You're overclocking to 1.15Ghz in an attempt to just play Flash content smoothly? You're clearly voiding warranty in a most unholy objective.

Not really. I overclocked to play everything smoothly and it works.

Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 909924)

You can keep repeating all you like, there was never a public for ARM. There was a public beta for Windows, Mac, Linux - you know... the operating systems where you can install things as such. How hard is that to understand? You're going at this like the ARM based OS's are not under some form of version control to avoid the diversity that's on x86 based OS's - you know... where people can add, change, modify hardware and the OS. Each and every ARM based OS on the tablets, phones, et al are under the control of somebody else, usually the vendor. And then Adobe has to play by those rules. Everybody does... care to name one plugin that breaks this observation?

The the question is what's so different between ARM Linux and the SAME X86 Linux that warrants different distribution and licensing deals ? Don't think Maemo if that bothers you, think ARM Ubuntu or ARM Debian - no Flash for those either. Adobe doesn't play by the distro rules, it's the distros that have to play by Adobe's rules (aka T&C) and bend backwards with all sorts of loader/installer packages.

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TI got it from Adobe. TI has to state that they will not distribute it based on the manufacturer of the handset and OS. Until Nokia gets off their fat arse and says "It's ok to distribute", TI and Adobe can't distribute it.

Sorry, but that's total b*******t. Adobe could publish it (optimized or not) in non-free Extras or their own repo whenever they want to, or offer a .deb, just like they do for desktop builds. Ditto for TI - the only party they need to ask is Adobe. The notion that they somehow need Nokia's blessing is bogus, unless you mean ble$$ing for the royalties.

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You've somehow applied open source logic - public betas - and desktop OS - ability to install closed source betas and updates - to this situation.

It just doesn't fit. If you think it does, please show me where this has been allowed in the past. VLC? Silverlight? Skype? Real? Give me a place where updates and/or betas have been installable that affect another piece of software that's tied to the OS - read: browser - that supports your position.

? Not sure I follow. VLC is open source, Moonlight (that *other* silverlight) also, mplayer hooks into the browser too, not to mention heavyweights like Java. And that is why IMO Flash (player) must open up or die (feel free to disagree, I'm fine with agreeing about disagreeing :) ).

But we don't need to go as far - hell, even tweakflashver does exactly what you say, it affects that Flash thingy and the browser and is in Extras. If tweakflashver can be there, so could, you know, real Flash 10.x, too (the fact that tweakflashver is open source is irrelevant - it could have been a binary blob in non-free).

Re: Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?

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I think The Steve would agree with you, take the sources make his own version and then close it again but put some black logo on it ;)

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But we don't need to go as far - hell, even tweakflashver does exactly what you say, it affects that Flash thingy and the browser and is in Extras. If tweakflashver can be there, so could, you know, real Flash 10.x, too (the fact that tweakflashver is open source is irrelevant - it could have been a binary blob in non-free).

You messing up Flash content with Flash player here.

I'm using Latest Open Sourced Flex Hero SDK to buid my content. al long as I will not use anything flash 10+ specific will be playable in flash 9.

"In fact lunching *.swf directly avoiding html has the same result as you tweaker"

In addition to what gerbick is talking about I can only ask you 2 things.

1. Why you defending Nokia so hard in this case?

2. How you can explain flash 10.1 on N8 witch seems to be totally pointless because this peace of s**t is not able to play even the best optimised flash content at all smoothly.

Flash 10.1 on N8 destroyed your "Adobe conspiracy" theory long time ago actually.

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Originally Posted by devu (Post 912729)

2. How you can explain flash 10.1 on N8 witch seems to be totally pointless because this peace of s**t is not able to play even the best optimised flash content at all smoothly.

Flash 10.1 on N8 destroyed your "Adobe conspiracy" theory long time ago actually.

The N8 comes with Flash Lite 4, not full Flash Player 10.1 though, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 912736)

The N8 comes with Flash Lite 4, not full Flash Player 10.1 though, doesn't it?

No, Friend of mine got one and entered www.flaemo.com/ctest with positive result. Flash 10.1

And here is first random link from google

http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/n...lash-10-1.html

so even E7.. but flagship n900 witch is more capable is out of lack and all blame on Adobe.. c'mon people...

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I found a libflashplayer.so that purports to be the TI version. But any attempt to click on anything in flash results in the page reloading.

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I don't think putting libflashplayer.so even if is correct one will solve it. Why? The biggest difference between flash 9 and 10 is that. The second has more to to with hardware and relaying on platform specific drivers. That's why Adobe had to work closely with vendors to make it happen.

Flash 10 trying to get access to GPS, front camera and internal accelerometer. Obviously it fails on N900 since nothing has been done for this device.

This is how open Maemo on N900 is ;). For sure not even a little bit more than flash. Even if Adobe could open flash player nobody except Nokia is able to port it here. But keep dreaming... or buy another device. :p

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Originally Posted by devu (Post 913094)

Flash 10 trying to get access to GPS, front camera and internal accelerometer. Obviously it fails on N900 since nothing has been done for this device.

This is how open Maemo on N900 is ;).

While certainly my N800 and N900 do have their fair share of closed components by Nokia on them, there are applications in Extras that use at least one of the hardware mentioned

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Originally Posted by devu (Post 912729)

I think The Steve would agree with you, take the sources make his own version and then close it again but put some black logo on it ;)

Who cares ? He did/does that with WebKit (some would argue MacOS X, too), and I didn't hear anyone complain. The point is that if you don't like it, you have the option of not buying Apple products or using their technologies. If I don't like Adobe's vision of Flash, I don't have the option of going for alternatives - I'm cut off from that content completely.

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You messing up Flash content with Flash player here.

No, I don't have any beef with Flash content. It's content like any other, but it's precisely the player it's being controlled through, hence the whole discussion.

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1. Why you defending Nokia so hard in this case?

Sigh. We've been over this. I'm pointing out why Adobe's current Flash player distribution model sucks, regardless of what any vendor does(n't do). I would be writing the same thing on a HTC Hero/Droid Eris forum, and I guess there you would claim that I'm defending HTC. You can blame (rightfully or not) Nokia for something you believe it's guilty of, but it will not protect you from being suckered again by Adobe when you buy whatever is the hot-Flash-device-of-the-day.

In other words - why are you defending Adobe so hard in this case ?

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There is no Flash 10.1 on N8. Symbian^3 devices have Flash lite 4 builds. As for conspiracy, it's not a conspiracy that's holding back Flash 10.1 - it's plain old terms and conditions.

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Originally Posted by devu (Post 913094)

Flash 10 trying to get access to GPS, front camera and internal accelerometer. Obviously it fails on N900 since nothing has been done for this device.

More FUD. All those components are freely accessible and documented (and used by 3rd party apps), most of them implemented in a bog-standard Linux way, so there is nothing 'special' about the N900 or Maemo in that sense that would require even NDAs (it's not like Flash needs BME or whatever)...

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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 913534)

Who cares ? He did/does that with WebKit (some would argue MacOS X, too), and I didn't hear anyone complain.

Because you weren't listening? There were lots of complaints about the way Apple handled their obligations under the LGPL licence of the KHTML code Apple based Webkit on from the KHTML devs, at least there was in the earlier days of the Webkit project, I think Apple did improve the way they handled the code after a while, but I haven't really kept up on it so I don't know if they have improved enough to the satisfaction of the KHTML devs or not.