Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1035085)

Ok here is another quick question about the N9, it takes a micro sim. So I have an old school plan with AT&T on my N900 and they think I have some old samsung phone with data, and they haven't changed it yet, so I am paying something like 9.99 for unlimited data. There is no way in hell I'm going to them asking for a micro sim and having my plan all changed up. So is there a process to clone a regular sim onto a micro sim, or is there a way to mod the sim (by cutting it) to a compatible micro sim?

Originally Posted by suy (Post 1035128)

Some hardware questions:

Zehjotkah told us something like "you will not want the N950 because the N9 has some new patented technology". [ I can't find the exact quote, sorry, but too many comments here. ] Some people concluded that it had something really special that rendered the hardware keyboard not that necessary (although he didn't say that). @Zehjotkah, can you confirm us want you wanted to say exactly now? Sorry if you already said it, but too many pages today. I can't keep the rhythm of TMO. :-P

Another one:

The leaked package list contained libwl1271, so I (amongst others) jumped in, and said that the wl1271 has Bluetooth 4.0 and FM receiver/transmitter. Can someone confirm if the N9/N950 have this chip? If yes, then maybe we can have FM radio in a firmware update. Same could be said about other features that AFAIK can be done in software, like USB host (a.k.a. USB OTG).

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1034582)

I'll tell you why people here are disappointed: If I was working at a mobile phone store and regular Joe walks in wondering what type of phone he should get, I'd direct him to the Iphone or windows phone 7, which I know in good conscience would be: easy to use, have decent functionality, look pretty, have terrific usage expandability via apps and be supported for at least 2 years.

If on the other hand this Joe happened to be looking for the latest and the greatest, I'd direct him to either Samsung or HTC with android. He'd get the latest specs, powerful processor, and all of 2011's latest bells and whistles, decent apps and functionality and if not lenghty carrier support, at least a pretty large home brew base.

Now to this phone... In all fairness, I would be doing regular Joe a disservice offering him this, not knowing if Nokia will once again in the space of a year decide to switch strategies or drop support for their "next" step, I couldn't guarantee plentiful amounts of apps and it couldn't be sold on it's cutting edge hardware merits alone.

So, please explain to me just who is supposed to buy this? You're not appealing to the mass market, they already have iphones, you're not appealing to those who want the latest hardware, because latest hardware this is not, and I don't think, in my opinion, that this is going to be appealing to the Linux crowd, which made up a good percentage of Maemo 5 users.

Now don't get me wrong I think this phone looks great, I like it's aesthetics and GUI, I can live with the slower GPU and single core processor, I don't mind the 8 mp camera or the fact that it doesn't have an fm transmitter, though I will miss that, I can even live with only an on screen keyboard. But, how Nokia thought, that for a media device, which is obviously focused on people who like media consumption, that not including HDMI out or USB on the go was a good idea? or that a camera with a decent lens shouldn't have xenon flash. or that BT 2.1 in a 2011 phone was a good idea, This, just boggles the mind and, in my opinion, is indicative of everything that is wrong with this company. They don't seem to have a clue who they want to be targeting and when they think they do, they change their strategy faster than it'll take me to finish typing this post!

It's a shame, as I'm probably the perfect costumer for this phone. I'm not a geek, I'm a designer, I like simple things, I like to own my device, and usually buy unlocked. I also prefer that there is some freedom in the mobile ecological system that I'm using. I also own the N900 and I really liked it, I lucked out with it. I've had no hardware problems, I'm over-clocked to 1.15 ghz 24/7 with no issues, I've applied all the community customizations and it works like a charm. The only bad experiences I've had owning this phone have come from Nokia and from their seemingly random choices and decisions.

So, I am disappointed. An N900 successor this is not, an Iphone competitor this isn't either, and it's not powerful enough to be bought just for bragging rights. This looks to be a great phone but Nokia is obliged to screwup on the details. Untill they figure out that they need to start being competive and stop relying on the Nokia brand to sell their products, I'm not keen on buying from them again, and I'm definitively not recommending them to others either.

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034674)

I was told that the decision to not release the (now named N950) developer device was becasue of the sliding mechanism.
I don't know if this is true or not and to be clear: I doubt it. Nokia made a wonderful sliding mechanism in the Nokia E7 and the one at the dev device I had to play with felt nearly the same.
What remains then as reason?
Management (read: Elop) or anything else?

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1034214)

* N950 supports Bluetooth version 2.1+EDR, whereas N9 supports
version 4.0

Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034251)

slightly baffled by people on here bigging up specific haptik feedback screen as well? did the proto's actually have this? If so, then I will wait for 2.0.. graphene coating?

Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034758)

here you go :)
http://meegonews.com/2010/11/21/lte-...-in-meego-1-3/

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1034820)

I am quite stumped at some of the choices like the lack of HDMI out? I can understand that you may not use that, but as a phone that is obviously catered towards mainstream users with 720p playback the fact that you can't output that to your TV on a 700 dollar device is unacceptable.

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1034980)

yes, like samsung galaxy s2 does. BUT unfortunately the n9 doesn’t support MHL.

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034974)

Zeh, the figure of 92,000 Dali's has been floated around before. If they are only giving 250 to the community, what is going on with the rest?
I understand they will be (have been) handed out to reviewers, devs, partners, carriers, commercial devs and so on, but the production figure still seems high to account for the difference.
At least I hope commercial developers are obliged to write software if they receive a free/leased Dali. Any info on that?

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1034997)

aye, so does my N900, I was hoping that this might be a decent upgrade. This is where I don't get Nokia, both the N8 and E7 support HDMI out as well as USB on the go why shouldn't an even more expensive phone? I'm bothered that I'm being forced to choose between a rather slow, memory lacking phone aka N8 or not having the same connectivity on a faster phone it just doesn't serve the customer at all.

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1035165)

That's always been the reason IMO.
Never bought the faulty slider mechanism :mad:



Not according to the specs
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...cations/N9-00/



Yeah what was that all about "insiders"?!!? :D



Cept that's referring to meego-core (vanilla meego), not harmatten...
Not everything was/is shared between the two platforms, at least yet.



http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...cations/N9-00/
---> Nokia AV 3.5 port

^ Is for outputting 720p (in dolby encoded format/s)



you know this how?



Interested in an answer on this too...
At those numbers surely there'll be quite few that leech out onto the regular market. Hopefully not for an overly inflated price :mad:

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1035174)

Nokia N950 phone hardware specification
======================================= <SNIP>
EDIT: Maybe it needs a firmware update for 4.0 (along with usb-otg :D )

Originally Posted by vvaz (Post 1034180)

I have mixed feelings...

UI is AWESOME. I like it very much.
But hardware is so, so. By the time when it will be available worldwide I will be able to get SGS2 30% less than starting price and 40% less than starting price of N9. .

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1035178)

Where'd you see that?
In the official specs it's 2.1+edr, but hopefully they upgrade to BT4 later, along with usb-otg!?
No idea if they will though, probably not....

Don't really care that there's no mhl or hdmi out, what's wrong with the video-out already built-in!?
Does the job just as nicely, get a hdmi adapter if you need one!

Originally Posted by scapegoat845 (Post 1035180)

Interested to see the email functionality in this thing...

Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1034866)

Quick question, does NFC have the capability one day to be paired up with lets say a NFC HDMI Video adapter, or is the communication speed not rapid enough to stream video?

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1035193)

glimpse of email (one pic :( )

http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/up...tion-thumb.jpg

Originally Posted by scapegoat845 (Post 1035180)

Interested to see the email functionality in this thing...

Originally Posted by Diavoli (Post 1035163)

I agree with your assessment 100%, but the only thing I can honestly think of that this is truly a "market disrupting device" because it I honestly whole heartedly truly believe that this is not the last Meego phone we'll see from Nokia. Think about the Iphone 3G when it first came out, it slowly got better and better, more added feature then before you know it, leading smartphone. I believe this is what Nokia wants to do, have you guys on here Develop using the N950 and support this little side project called Meego until they've used up MS money for the time being. Then in 5 years ( I think that's how long MS signed up for) used as a bargaining chip, so honestly guys, in the end its all about money and leverage and strategy. So next year's Meego phone will have a few more things like HDMI output or Adobe flash downloaded from the store option like Android has.

Listen, people are dumb, phone buyers are dumber, you think my little sister cares about this stuff, hell no, when she picks up an iphone 4 and sees glitz and glamour or it, like how smooth the interface is and the pretty features, you think she has a clue about ecosystem? Like honestly she could care less. But I'll put any money down on the line, right now you put Iphone 4 beside the N9, just from UI and design, N9 will win 9 out of 10 times. Thats a fact.

my two cents.

I'd like to thank all the future N950 developers ahead of time for their courage and efforts for our future meego phones :)

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1034582)

I'll tell you why people here are disappointed: If I was working at a mobile phone store and regular Joe walks in wondering what type of phone he should get, I'd direct him to the phone or windows phone 7, which I know in good conscience would be: easy to use, have decent functionality, look pretty, have terrific usage expandability via apps and be supported for at least 2 years.

Originally Posted by Arpa (Post 1035257)

If I was working in a phone shop I would ask what the customer would like to use his phone for and not push some phone down his throat he doesn't necessarily need.

everything else is bonus.

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1035252)

You're right the N9 has a great design, to be honest maybe one of the best around. As an operating system Harmatten is awesome, so is Maemo 5.


I do disagree with you about people not caring about an ecosystem. Granted, perhaps they don't even know it's called an ecosystem or that they've even joined one. I've been helping people build or pick their electronic devices since I was 14 and still to this day I'll get people who tell me that they need a laptop or desktop with a powerful graphics card and it has to be Nvidia because Nvidia is best, or it could be AMD CPU is best because last they shopped for a coumputer was in the AMD 64 days and all they remember was someone telling them to go AMD and they've just never stopped.

You're right that people don't know architecture but they do know numbers and when they see 1.5 ghz vs 1.0 ghz at the same price they'll more often enough pick 1.5 ghz because more is better, same with ram, 512 has to be better than 256. Sure, they don't know if it's ddr 3 or ddr 4 it's just a higher number which just makes it better. So, I do believe that specs do make a fair difference in clients choices. If you don't market specs but you market it as a newer number such as, iphone 5 vs iphone 4 and how it's much faster, better ect... you get the same effect.

Same with the app ecosystem, when you're at airport and you see you can check in with an iphone app, when you're bank advertises mobile banking with an iphone app, when you're friends have these cool games on their iphone, when you go to twitter, and facebook and they advertise their mobile iphone clients you begin to wonder hey whats all this iphone business about. Ditto with android.

Now lets say you're sister is shopping for a mobile phone, she gets the N9 and realizes that suddenly the situation isn't quite the same. There isn't all these N9 apps and all her favorite sites are offering iphone apps but not N9 apps, do you think she'll rebuy?

This phone may get more mainstream than the N900, but it's not going to replace iOS or andorid. Nokia knows this, which is why they've chosen to go with Phone 7. So, if you're not successfully targeting that causal crowd who are you going to target? the power users? the latest and the best crowd? I don't think Nokia figured this out and that is the problem.

Nokia is now the underdog and their track record isn't that great as of late. If they can't make a device that wow's with amazing software and equally amazing hardware I fear they're not going to gain casual users and they'll lose the existing power ones.

The N9 is a good device, but amongst a sea of other good devices Nokia badly needs an amazing one.

Originally Posted by brandonc (Post 1035217)

one other thing...no landscape on the homescreens?

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1035265)

Oh, from how I read that post he seemed NOT to be pushing any particular phone, but rather the opposite, he was thinking about the customers needs.

Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1035316)

Around when can we expect Nokia to announce it's official release date?

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1035321)

the best we have is an assertion that nokia wants to cut down the time from announcement to sales.................... which isn't very comforting.

Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1035316)

Around when can we expect Nokia to announce it's official release date?

Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1035326)

That's the last I heard too several months ago... but shouldn't that mean that it should be coming out like...very soon?

Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1035316)

Around when can we expect Nokia to announce it's official release date?

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1035321)

the best we have is an assertion that nokia wants to cut down the time from announcement to sales.................... which isn't very comforting.

Originally Posted by Diavoli (Post 1035291)

I agree with your assessment on additional added apps which do appeal to the people that actually use them, but is that the real deal breaker to purchasing a smart phone for lets say a person like my sister, unless its something which affects her daily life, I'm not so sure. Like the previous poster said about his wife, my sister in all honesty have seen her use her phone like this:

Facebook updates 30 percent
Messaging/email 30 percent
Random web surfing to look at chanel or louis vuitton purses, US magazine updates, youtube, 20 percent
Talking 20 percent

Now I don't want to be gender biased or how many females actually buy a smartphone, but lets say they represent 50 percent of the marketplace, and a high percentage of them are basically users like my sister, thats alot of people that basically want something that is nice to look at and easy to use.

Right now compared to the N9, Iphone4 looks so outdated in terms of:

Examples:
Different colours-N9
Camera-N9
screen size-N9
Design-N9
Reception-N9
Wow factor/Showing off to friends-N9

Originally Posted by smegheadz (Post 1035300)

i've been thinking. it hasn't bothered me that the n900 hasn't got the support from nokia you'd have hoped. some important updates, made it stable but nothing really in the way of trying to make it work. it does really everything i can want it to do. maybe a little dissapointed in the lack of little timewasters (mini games) i could play on a bus or lunch break but no biggie.
so what of the n9? how much will they support it? will it have alot of 'out of box' content and functionality that it is fine? i'm not sure if anyone is like me but i tend to replace my phone after 2 years. and the only thing i tend to port over is contacts so not too fused about how much love they give it if it works fine and does a good job.

I can see why they are pushing WP7, it has a boatload of apps to boast about even though it's very fresh, it has xbox live intergration, it has skype coming, lots of social networking intergration, mango update brings alot of interesting additions. microsoft are pushing out updates FAST and they don't have to concentrate on hardware just the software. nokia can do the hardware and spend less money on software now, they save billions on R&D now. let them push WP7 make the wedge in the market so it's not too monopolised by android and ios, means they can get their customer base back, build up meego along the way and when their ready push the market again. but i do think meego itself is too unpolished for full push, if it wasn't for this herm/meego it'd be terrible.

let meego mature more, let wp7 carve out a piece of the market and keep supporting meego projects. i intend too since i like what if offers me.

Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1035366)

I don't understand why soooo many of you keep comparing the N9 to the iPhone 4... you guys do realize the iPhone 5 is coming out soon right? And it will probably beat the N9 in all specs... then what you gonna say?