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maxximuscool 2011-06-21 22:31
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Could someone port this OS to N900? Build a custom ROM or something :D This would bring life to N900 for many years to come.

Will there be a Hacker edition for N900? I can only wish

shallimus 2011-06-21 22:40
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1035366)
I don't understand why soooo many of you keep comparing the N9 to the iPhone 4...
Two reasons:
  1. iPhone has more mindshare than anything else amongst the general consumer populace
  2. comparing everything to the iPhone is a modern brain disease

Quote:
Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1035366)
you guys do realize the iPhone 5 is coming out soon right? And it will probably beat the N9 in all specs... then what you gonna say?
Same things we always do. But last I heard the iPhone 5 isn't out til next year...?

smegheadz 2011-06-21 22:45
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1035353)
While I don't disagree with you, let me share a story about a client of mine. He's on the board of a large company, and also has a few side business one of which, a race track, just got robbed. The company that takes care of his security had created an app for ios where you can see real time updates when the motion detectors are triggered as well as the ability to view each camera that is installed.

Because of this one app. He's switched over some 30 employees from blackberry to iphone. His spouse is now also using an iphone and most of his employee's spouses have also followed suit. In addition to this, the large company of whom he's on the board of directors has, at his suggestion, also switched from blackberry to the iphone, this is over 300 phones. iOS gained around 350 phones from just one misc app and as iOS continues to gain market traction, this is going to become more and more common.

People are going to come across an app from iOS or Android that they really want or need and switch just for that. Once you've started using these ecosystems you're tied in. lets say you start buying some ibooks or music via itunes, you start purchasing some games and other apps, pretty soon, you've got a decent investment going in this ecosystem and no amount of all the swiping in the world is going to get you to switch. These scenarios are also exactly why, in my opinion, Nokia decided to ditch Symbian and go with Microsoft.

The reason I even commented about all this in the first place, was because, someone sounded pretty shocked that people were disappointed with the N9. Here I'm thinking that after 2 years of development they've introduced a phone that is hardly an upgrade from the N900. It's missing features that the N8 and E7 have and hardware wise, is behind phones coming out now and when it starts retailing in a couple months will be even more behind.

All this to say, if you really want to disrupt the market and swing people away from android and iOS you're going to need to do a whole lot more than the N9 and Swipe. Harmatten is pretty and it's cool, there are great features, it is an upgrade from the N900, but It's definitely not a 600 euro upgrade
that story had nothing to do with the hardware of the iphone but the 3rd party app he had created. could have created it for android or windows. if idiots like that want to fork out for gimics, so what? can make apps like that for and already is available for most operating systems.
stop thinking of this as nokia's main device. if it's not worth €600 and it's not an upgrade from the n900 then don't buy it. nokia is going WP7 all the way for the next few years. your just pi*sing in the wind. Meego/hermatten is testing the waters, they'll do it again with another device, put some features in it and see how we like them. get used to it with all manufacturers, one way or another you'll buy a new device and they'll stop supporting it because their new shiny is out. seems like only a few months ago(exaggeration) the first galaxy was out, now the 3rd one is coming out.

billybobjones 2011-06-21 22:55
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smegheadz (Post 1035407)
that story had nothing to do with the hardware of the iphone but the 3rd party app he had created. could have created it for android or windows. if idiots like that want to fork out for gimics, so what? can make apps like that for and already is available for most operating systems.
stop thinking of this as nokia's main device. if it's not worth €600 and it's not an upgrade from the n900 then don't buy it. nokia is going WP7 all the way for the next few years. your just pi*sing in the wind. Meego/hermatten is testing the waters, they'll do it again with another device, put some features in it and see how we like them. get used to it with all manufacturers, one way or another you'll buy a new device and they'll stop supporting it because their new shiny is out. seems like only a few months ago(exaggeration) the first galaxy was out, now the 3rd one is coming out.
which is why that comment was a response to Diavoli about the importance of an app ecosystem.

It might help to take this in context, My involvment with this conversation started with a question as to why people were disappointed with the N9. Coming from an N900 and waiting two years what I see regarding the N9 is a bit disappointing. Am i saying it's a bad device? no. Is it the end of the world? no. it's not a big deal if I don't like it I'll chose something else. It's still a disappointment.

Bazza 2011-06-21 23:03
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
@damion and all i doubted.

my most humble apologies damion's picture is an N950. :eek:


it does have the same keyboard though :):):)

Hariainm 2011-06-21 23:14
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Please, can somebody please bring to me some light about this features in the new N9, thread has grown a lot since yesterday :-p

- Full landscape view? (landscape menu, browser, conversations, apps in general... landscape keyboard?)
- X terminal?
- App download method based on repositories, like N900?
- Use of the front camera?
- Integration of skype, google talk like N900?
- FM transmitter?

zlatokosi 2011-06-21 23:16
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
- X terminal?
As a downloadable app.

- FM transmitter?
Nope

smegheadz 2011-06-21 23:17
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1035442)
Please, can somebody please bring to me some light about this features in the new N9, thread has grown a lot since yesterday :-p

- Full landscape view? (landscape menu, browser, conversations, apps in general... landscape keyboard?)
- X terminal?
- App download method based on repositories, like N900?
- Use of the front camera?
- Integration of skype, google talk like N900?
- FM transmitter?
swipe.nokia.com
check out the developer website too. has all the goodness in it.

Bazza 2011-06-21 23:33
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Does the N9 support mms?

some sites say yes and others say no and this thread is too big to search. (or i'm too lazy) :rolleyes:

i did find this though look under connectivity.

ericsson 2011-06-22 00:25
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IsaacDFP (Post 1035366)
I don't understand why soooo many of you keep comparing the N9 to the iPhone 4... you guys do realize the iPhone 5 is coming out soon right? And it will probably beat the N9 in all specs... then what you gonna say?
I guess lots of worshippers are going to sing their token hallelujah to their God for some time, but other than that not much will be said.

At last the N9 has been announced. It was not as expected, but it is a must-have and nothing else is even remotely tempting (the E6 and N8 isn't all that bad). The iPhone is being eaten alive by Android in any case, a nice gift for grandmas, but has lost all appeal by the younger generation, at least on this side of the pond.

ericsson 2011-06-22 00:27
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza (Post 1035457)
Does the N9 support mms?
Yes, it say so on the official Nokia site swipe.nokia.com


http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...specifications

Quote:
Email and messaging
Easy-to-use email client with attachment support for images, videos, music and documents .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .odt, .ods, .odp, .pdf
HTML support for email
Email client can combine multiple accounts into one easy-to manage inbox
Easy setup for POP3, IMAP and Mail for Exchange services
Multiple accounts per user supported
Chat instant messaging support: Facebook, Skype, Gtalk, and services using sip
Easy to move between multiple live conversations on open applications view
Unified MMS/SMS editor
Conversational view for SMS
Push email
Messages notifications shown in the event view

abbra 2011-06-22 05:34
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Yes, it does support MMS. It also supports automatic transcoding of videos to MMS-specific size/framerate/bitrate combination that your MMS server reported as preferable. It means that only part of original video would be available (usually up to 30 seconds) but that's how MMS works.

The way how MMS works is simply start creating a message and then attach a video or a picture to it. SMS will automatically convert itself into MMS.

Another way to do it is to Share to MMS -- this is something that any application can add as any application can call into Share UI and provide a content to share. So, you can start from a Gallery, share an image, and select MMS. Or select your own video, share it and select MMS. Both ways -- from creating a message explicitly or selecting a content to share first will work fine.

Dr Tran 2011-06-22 05:41
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
The apps view could use some dividers. Would help with organization

abbra 2011-06-22 05:51
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hariainm (Post 1035442)
Please, can somebody please bring to me some light about this features in the new N9, thread has grown a lot since yesterday :-p

- Full landscape view? (landscape menu, browser, conversations, apps in general... landscape keyboard?)
- X terminal?
- App download method based on repositories, like N900?
- Use of the front camera?
- Integration of skype, google talk like N900?
- FM transmitter?
Browser can work in landscape, as well as Feeds, Mail, Gallery, Media players, Chat, and few other applications where it makes sense to use landscape. This "makes sense" is important -- for example, in Feeds you can read posts in portrait and landscape but browse lists of channels and posts only in portrait because the latter makes little sense in landscape due to less vertical estate available.

Virtual keyboard works in both portrait and landscape modes and inhertis the mode set by an application. It is actually quite usable in both modes and in landscape mode it is preffered to use it with two hands -- you can type quite fast then. If multiple languages are configured in Settings, you can switch layouts for the virtual keyboard by swiping through the keyboard. On several layouts you also will find some keys overloaded with multiple characters (available on a bit longer press) to avoid layout switching and facilitate faster input -- specifically targeted for accented characters in many European languages and to our Cyrillic users with alphabets extended from standard Russian (Belarussian, Ukrainian, for example).

Apps management is done through a similar technology (Debian repositories), though Ovi Store already in N900 was doing bit differently due to their own technical requirements.

Front camera is used by real time communications. All the chat integration is similar to what was in N900. Now there are more integrated points and common accounts management so you can see and configure all your accounts in a centralized way for every single type of external communication -- be it chat or social networking uploads.

I've been told there is no FM transmitter hardware. This may or may not be true as HW specs kept changing but I would not put any stakes on its presence.

JorgeFX 2011-06-22 05:53
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Just some questions:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=494

I posted in the other thread for error because I was reading the two at the same time (multitask:rolleyes:)

Jaekaelae 2011-06-22 08:15
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
I heard that there is terminal allready, phone just must be set in developer mode to get it visible.

zehjotkah 2011-06-22 09:04
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
I've collected all the public info as well as videos we have regarding the N950 and wrote an article on meetmeego.org (in German though).
It explains how to get a N950, too.
http://meetmeego.org/2011/06/22/noki...-eins-bekommt/

sts1976 2011-06-22 09:32
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
One interesting observation…

Has anyone noticed that the lock-screen notifications work exactly like they do on the apples new iOS-5….

tonspaa 2011-06-22 09:46
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
So is Nokia still making the nits? Or is the development scrapped along with meego?
I had high hopes for the N9 but it certainly didn't deliver. Lack of hwkb (I can live without this, but then the swkb better be good), no FM-transmitter, no irda, no kickstand and no flash. I would have understood if few of them would be gone but all of them? That's an instant deal breaker for me. And what I would think is the biggest downfall, non-replaceable battery. What happens when the phone jams and pressing the powerbutton does nothing? It's a rare thing to happen on my N900, but remembering back to my symbian phones, that was almost a daily routine. I really don't understand it being a question about it looking better, it's like buying a car with square tires just because it looks better.
And having the phone to record 720p without HDMI port is just stupid. You have no way to watch you videos in full resolution. If this was supposed to be targeted at a more wide audience, then people shouldn't have to copy their videos to their comps just to watch some clips. And what happened to usb otg? The year old N8 has it, why not this one?
But I must admit, the phone looks great! And the UI with all the swiping looks very good. But I don't understand the talk about it being the first true touch phone? N900 doesn't have any buttons on the front either. And the phone being all one big touchscreen seems to be untrue, the glass covers the front almost completely but the screen is alot smaller than the glass. All in all I'm thinking the N9 more of a successor to the N8, not for the N900.
The N950 is a step up from the N9, but apparently isn't available to the consumers. (Who the **** came up with that?) And the looks of it are more appealling (atleast for me), nice looking aluminium casing, bigger screen. Imho the N900 is still by far the best nokia phone on the market. And what, it's 2 year old technology?
The N9 would have been great if it would have hit the shelves last year. This I have to say is Nokia's biggest problem. When they start designign a phone, it's top of the line. But they should be designing something that is top of the line after they start selling it, the competition doesn't just sit there rolling their thumbs.

So does anyone has any knowledge about NITs? I don't think that it's about the money, or else there wouldn't have been the internet tablets in the first place. As I see it, they weren't targeted at the general public, but more for the geeks.

LTman 2011-06-22 09:51
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
lets hope cordia gets ported quickly

Metsämies 2011-06-22 11:16
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tonspaa (Post 1035750)
Lack of hwkb (I can live without this, but then the swkb better be good), no FM-transmitter, no irda, no kickstand and no flash.
HW has both Rx/Tx-FM-transmitter, only SW for is needed, I think.

Bazza 2011-06-22 12:11
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1035486)
Yes, it say so on the official Nokia site swipe.nokia.com
Thanks there are a lot of conflicting reports out there. ;)

Bazza 2011-06-22 12:24
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1035709)
I've collected all the public info as well as videos we have regarding the N950 and wrote an article on meetmeego.org (in German though).
It explains how to get a N950, too.
http://meetmeego.org/2011/06/22/noki...-eins-bekommt/
Those videos on the link are of a Nokia E7.......only joking :D

Seriously though if they are only manufacturing a limited number of N950's for developers only, why make a slick promo video if it is directed at a small section of the worldwide community?

Have they released any figures of how many developer edition units they are manufacturing?

zehjotkah 2011-06-22 12:32
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazza (Post 1035863)
Those videos on the link are of a Nokia E7.......only joking :D

Seriously though if they are only manufacturing a limited number of N950's for developers only, why make a slick promo video if it is directed at a small section of the worldwide community?

Have they released any figures of how many developer edition units they are manufacturing?
the intended to give away N950 at the MeeGo Conference and for that they needed a teaser video.
I was quite surprised to see a 8 MPix one, though. it simply doesn't make sense after all..
they have a lot, i don't know the exact number and before telling something wrong, i prefer to say nothing. eldar murtazin 92k numer is wrong btw.


goddamn i hat the palm pre 2 keyboard...

sr00t 2011-06-22 12:37
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1035872)
the intended to give away N950 at the MeeGo Conference and for that they needed a teaser video.
I was quite surprised to see a 12 mpix camera on the device in the video, though. it simply doesn't make sense after all..
they have a lot, i don't know the exact number and before telling something wrong, i prefer to say nothing. eldar murtazin 92k numer is wrong btw.


goddamn i hat the palm pre 2 keyboard...
I have a slight feeling that Nokia after some months will free N950 to no-dev people too, I hope I'm right in this one.

WilliePre 2011-06-22 12:46
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
We want Nokia to keep MeeGo
Please sign @baptx Twitition if you agree. http://twitition.com/3c3ah:)

cddiede 2011-06-22 12:53
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by suy (Post 1034719)
About Adobe Flash support: Flash sucks. For video, is not that important, IMVHO, because your phone is a convenience pocket computer, not your main computer.
Maybe YOUR phone is just a convenience but I've got an N900, a phone that let me sell my laptop and allowed my desktops to gather dust.

Verythrax 2011-06-22 12:55
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sr00t (Post 1035873)
I have a slight feeling that Nokia after some months will free N950 to no-dev people too, I hope I'm right in this one.
I hope so, in a unadvertised website, like Google had done with the Android dev phones.

pelago 2011-06-22 14:21
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abbra (Post 1035605)
This "makes sense" is important -- for example, in Feeds you can read posts in portrait and landscape but browse lists of channels and posts only in portrait because the latter makes little sense in landscape due to less vertical estate available.
Although I'm sure that portrait makes more sense for some things, in your feed reader example, it would be useful if I could stay in landscape for both reading the post and for looking at the lists of posts.

catbus 2011-06-22 14:26
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1035872)
i don't know the exact number and before telling something wrong, i prefer to say nothing. eldar murtazin 92k numer is wrong btw.
and "say nothing" > eldar's number?

zehjotkah 2011-06-22 14:32
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by catbus (Post 1035976)
and "say nothing" > eldar's number?
yes, because "I say nothing" is always right. "some random number I saw in my lucid dream" is in more than 99% of the cases wrong.

I prefer the truth above a random number (just to have a number to talk about..)
edit: you can be sure that when I get the definite number, here will be one of the first places I'll talk about)

smegheadz 2011-06-22 15:30
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
what is the main point of the n950 being dev only? what can it do for dev's that the n9 can't?
i'm not a dev but i know you have the emulator on the QT creator, can you only compile and run on the n950?

catbus 2011-06-22 15:33
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smegheadz (Post 1036052)
what is the main point of the n950 being dev only? what can it do for dev's that the n9 can't?
The new "strategy", you know ...

Frappacino 2011-06-22 15:33
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smegheadz (Post 1036052)
what is the main point of the n950 being dev only? what can it do for dev's that the n9 can't?
i'm not a dev but i know you have the emulator on the QT creator, can you only compile and run on the n950?
Nothing - I think its more a matter of timing.

They have a bunch of n950s now sitting in a warehouse doing nothing - since they cant sell it (for whatever reason), so they might as well get SOME use out of it - i.e. give to devs so they can make progs on it

I am sure once n9s become widespread available and the n950s run out, they will give away n9s for devs too.

stlpaul 2011-06-22 15:35
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cddiede (Post 1035886)
Maybe YOUR phone is just a convenience but I've got an N900, a phone that let me sell my laptop and allowed my desktops to gather dust.
So true, I don't bother to haul my laptop with me on trips anymore, and at home I usually do things like email/web from my N900 while I'm on the couch watching TV, instead of going to my desktop instead. :)

vi_ 2011-06-22 15:38
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1035988)
yes, because "I say nothing" is always right. "some random number I saw in my lucid dream" is in more than 99% of the cases wrong.

I prefer the truth above a random number (just to have a number to talk about..)
edit: you can be sure that when I get the definite number, here will be one of the first places I'll talk about)
Whoa, serious fallacy detected.

Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1035988)
A clock that is 1 min slow is WRONG and correct 0% of the time. A clock that has stopped is correct for 1 second per day and is correct 0.001157407% of the time. Therefore a stopped watch is more accurate than a slow one.
:D

jalyst 2011-06-22 16:15
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Is this the primary thread now?
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181&page=45

This one seems to have slowed...
Perhaps we should close & sticky it, instead of having the "hive-mind" split in two :)
Mods?!

jalyst 2011-06-22 16:24
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1035709)
I've collected all the public info as well as videos we have regarding the N950 and wrote an article on meetmeego.org (in German though).
It explains how to get a N950, too.
http://meetmeego.org/2011/06/22/noki...-eins-bekommt/
Doh, gtranslate sux....
I don't suppose you could share details of how to get a n950 in this thread, in English?
Unless it's basically what you've already said previously: community dev or commercial access programs.
Neither help us non-devs, or folks who don't work for dev. related companies... :(


Quote:
Originally Posted by LTman (Post 1035754)
lets hope cordia gets ported quickly
Why write-off the current UI for N9 so quickly? It's not even in the public's hands yet.
But like you I do hope there's a cordia porting effort that kicks-off, nice to have options!
Then again, sometimes it's best not to split resources up too much...
I imagine it'd be simpler/quicker to port cordia to harmatten-based N9, than to meego-core.

zfarooq 2011-06-22 16:24
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/22/e...ot-be-serious/

Wow...theyr questionin Nokia jump to WP

jalyst 2011-06-22 16:29
Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zfarooq (Post 1036117)
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/22/e...ot-be-serious/

Wow...theyr questionin Nokia jump to WP
Oh sweet!!! I hope what I sent Vlad influenced them... :)
He seems to have been covering most n9 related stories lately, so I sent him/TimS this approx. 24hrs ago:

Vlad,

Thought you guys might be interested...
http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06...elop-on-meego/
If true, either very brave or very stupid employee :-D

Dunno if you guys been following this thread much, but it's absolutely on fire, or at least it was.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72977
****-load of noise/bs, but occasionally some real nuggets

Then again 500 other users prolly emailed them the same thing :)


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