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windows mobile had 14% of market share back in 2008 which is a duble digit number. also people were neutral to windows devices at those days. if ms improved the pocket pc experience instead of this empty os, they would have come to a way better place in the smartphone world today.

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The hardware is now excellent so why doesn't it sell? You already know the answer:

That's right, Lumiaman, MS are a dead weight dragging NOKIA down. Everything that's good about the Lumias from the hardware to the software (Maps, City Lens, Drive+, etc...) is entirely down to NOKIA. Microsoft's contribution, Windows Phone, is an appalling liability that NOKIA is struggling to overcome.

What would Windows Phone's market share be now if it weren't able to ride on the coat tails of NOKIA's excellent hardware/software? So small the needle wouldn't twitch.

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you persistently try to explain things on your own side which doesn't reflect the truth. same repeated "delusional" reasons made me puke.
that maybe true for the US but for the world, numbers said the exact opposite. they could either continue developing symbian or they could switch to meego which was really exiting the symbian users.
oh wait! how can you know that? you've never been in a symbian community! you've probably never even seen someone using a symbian device isn't that true now mr. elop?


so we are talking about operating systems?
like so many variant's that android has?

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Anybody with more than half a brain knew back in February 2011 Windows phone was not a valid choice, the catastrophic collapse NOKIA have suffered as a result of exclusively adopting it was always by far the most likely outcome.

NOKIA had plenty more than two choices, as Samsung has proven, but Elop chose the one path that didn't make any sense whatsoever. The only party that had anything to gain from Elop's strategy was Microsoft.

Do you know what duck typing is, Lumiaman? It's a good rule of thumb for real life too - if something waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck it's most probably a duck. When Elop waddled into NOKIA and started quacking about Windows Phone I instantly knew his plan (including misappropriating NOKIA's patents to benefit Microsoft) and the inevitable outcome for NOKIA too.

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Btw. If there is any smart people left at nokia they throw out theyr lowend MIDP based crapos and replace it with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS and use they swipe skin on top of that instead. Before they loose lowend market too.

But I guess that will not happen as long as Elop exists at Nokia.

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I probably bought more Symbian devices than all of you combined on this thread. It served its purpose and by 2009, it was clear to everyone that it had to gooooooooooo...........Only Tomi Ahonen and his delusional followers still believe that it was viable. What saved NOKIA, as opposed to BB, is that they reacted a bit faster to become third player. BB reacted too slow and hanged on its improved, but dead platform. Because you cant live with just an OS, without all the ancillary ecosystem.

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What did Samsung prove? That pre-ELOP NOKIA should have jumped sooner of the Symbian titanic. By the time Elop got there, Android has signed up many device manufacturers and Finns felt they didnt want to be another ME, ME, ME kind of company. Samsung jumped first and is benefitting now. Kudos to them. What else are they doing? Tizen-what a joke. And you know what genius, that is why you will never run anything. Because you dont understand the importance of timing, primacy and being on the cutting edge.

What Elop immediately understood is the following: NOKIA is not a software company, in the sense that they CAN NOT compete with Silicon Valley. And that immediately eliminated Symbian, Meego and all the other lunacies from the table. So you are left with already crowded Android field, or try something new and nascent. Hence WP. Using my Lumia 920 and 620. Great phones!!!

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Not a software company? Nokia was bigger than Samsung and Apple combined when Elop took over - and he was growing unit sales and revenues with Symbian

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Symbian....that was the problem......it was surpassed in 2007 and 2008 by iOS and Android...

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The hardware is good, but OS needs maturing. Unfortunately when you start on a nascent platform, it will require maturing. The hope here is that MS ecosystem will accelerate success after a certain tipping point. There is no doubt that MS ecosystem has a much greater potential than anything that NOKIA had softwarewise at the time. There is no doubt that MS is much better at software engineering than NOKIA. That is crystal clear.