Originally Posted by switch-hitter (Post 1239635)

Why would anyone assume WP8 is going to be a success anyway? Wasn't Mango supposed to be a game changer before that came out? It's always the next iteration that's going to change everything isn't it?

And let's face it in the unlikely circumstance WP8 does become a success in 2013 Samsung will just ramp up their production of WP8 devices. By that time NOKIA will be so small comparatively they simply will not be able to compete with Samsung's economies of scale.

Anybody that says NOKIA didn't have an option except to walk this path only has to look at Samsung to know that's not true. You only have to go back to early 2010 and, in terms of smartphone sales, Samsung were smaller than HTC never mind NOKIA. Now look at them towering above NOKIA who were by far the biggest back then. Samsung are announcing a record breaking quarter whilst NOKIA crash and burn. NOKIA painted themselves into a corner whilst Samsung kept all options open.

Exclusively adopting a low-functioning OS that had already proven to be a failure for at least three other major manufacturers was never likely to be a winning strategy and NOKIA's resulting crash is not the least bit surprising.

There's very little NOKIA can do to turn it around either now, their hardware is still good but they've lumbered themselves with an OS that most people just don't seem to want.

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1239692)

True, but there has been written lots and lots about WP7 vs WP8. I don't have the sources here right now, but in essence it's like this: Almost immediately after the launch of WP7 the development of the OS stagnated. Lots of smaller improvements have come, but none that truly fixes the core problems of the OS. Those problems are tied to the lack of security in CE, and cannot be fixed without a complete redo of the entire OS. That redo would result in a NT type of OS, so the answer was given - use NT instead. So the focus shifted from WP7 to WP8 almost immediately after the launch and increased in power when Nokia came.

But WP8 was far into the future when Nokia came. Way too far for Nokia to wait. So they decided to use WP7 as a stop gap, and to build up and strengthen the ecosystem throughout the entire world. The Lumia series hasn't exactly been a success, but the ecosystem-building has. Everything is ready for the launch of WP8. Services in all parts of the world and 100k apps, and everything in time for Windows 8 and the Surface.

Samsung will go at it with full power, that's true, but it is also a big advantage for both MS and Nokia. But Samsung is not that strong. What Samsung got is the Galaxy S3, they got nothing else, nada. Nokia got PureView, and it scares the **** out of anyone.

Originally Posted by specc (Post 1239692)

Samsung will go at it with full power, that's true, but it is also a big advantage for both MS and Nokia. But Samsung is not that strong. What Samsung got is the Galaxy S3, they got nothing else, nada. Nokia got PureView, and it scares the **** out of anyone.

Originally Posted by zwer (Post 1239711)

... it still is almost -20% this month, and -50.4% this year... Not so rosy if you ask me.

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1239695)

Can you please point out where you're getting these impressions, statistics and "facts" that you keep throwing at us without any consideration to citing sources/stats? I'm pretty certain your earlier '95%' statistic was made up... and now you're saying PureView scares "anyone" but you won't point out any source for these claims. I'm not getting the impression that anyone is scared--based on the general LACK of news and chatter around it, I get the impression that most barely know about the PureView. Please show us where you're getting these impressions, since they seem to run counter to the opinions and citations throughout this thread.

Originally Posted by NokiaFanatic (Post 1239785)

The Nokia Q2 filing is out here if anyone wants to take a look at it - http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...-16669_16k.htm

The standout points for me are.

1. All the discussion on smartphones is towards the Windows Phone platform.
2. Symbian sales are apparently "down sharply".
3. There is almost no mention whatsoever about Meego, or the N9, excluding a reference to the canned facility in Ulm pushing R&D costs down.
4. Lumia sales were 4 million devices for the quarter, whereas total smartphone sales were 10 million devices.
5. The small increase in Windows Phone sales isn't off-setting the collapse in Symbian/Meego smartphone sales.

My inference from the whole report was that Nokia really going to push the coming Windows Phone 8 devices when they get released towards the end of this year. Q4 is going to be make of break for Nokia in that respect. All the eggs are in the Windows Phone basket, and if users don't adopt the Windows Phone 8 platform, then Nokia are going to be in serious trouble.