Re: [DISCONTINUED] Announcing the Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
 

By "back" I don't mean that you were doing it more than once but that it had been done more than once and, well, there you were. :D

Not trying to whip up the dead horse, though. I just think you were making an assumption about end users that may not be true. When I pull maemo.org up, I see Downloads very boldly displayed, and see NumptyPhysics highlighted. That's a good signal SOMEthing for end users is going on. ;)

And it's been said before, but your post seemed to me to be ignoring this fundamental fact and I was surprised that you of all people had not latched onto it: above all else, many of the gripes against maemo point to educational opportunities. So... is there a place on Internet Tablet School to inform your customers what's available at maemo?

Finally, the solution to shortcomings at maemo is NOT fragmentation, but illumination. I think we have that rolling now, but it was NOT part of the original proposal, which did indeed support fragmentation.

/hopefully done

Re: [RESTARTED] Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
 

I should like some clarification about off-Maemo repositories please.

Q1. I understand that these are considered 'persona no grata' as far as Maemo and ITT is concerned. Is that correct?

Q2. If I develop a new application that I hope will eventually make it into Maemo Extras but that right now is still under development then am I allowed to create my own repository and tell folks about it on ITT?

Re: [RESTARTED] Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
 

You can create your own, but why bother? Just use extras-devel - it exists for a reason.

Re: [RESTARTED] Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
 

Hopefully that reason isn't supposed to be to fail when updating the package list... :D

Re: [RESTARTED] Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
 

Repos are like cats in boxes that way. The purpose of extras is to be Bloody Furious. :D

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I find it {shocking | disheartening} that people related to communities that claim to value "freedom" as a fundamental tenet can be so utterly committed to constraining the editorial options of what is arguably a social mechanism and discussion forum.

Then again, it would not be the first time that I've seen people so intent on finding technical mechanisms for a (human or social) task that the initial intention became diluted or obscured.

Re: [RESTARTED] Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
 

<sigh/>

Haven't we moved on already?

OK, now you've lost me. It appeared in the first part of your message you were annoyed at the negative reaction to Reggie's original announcement. But our negativity was on the exact same topic you raise here: it appeared to us that ITSSS was a technical solution to end-user problems, rather than address (what we saw as) the underlying causes. Our point was (and is) that another download catalogue won't solve any of the problems and that the effort would be better placed elsewhere.

Hopefully, we'll see the fruits of some of that effort soon.

Re: [RESTARTED] Internet Tablet Talk Software Section
 

I am not, in fact, a FS advocate. I'm OSS, thanks very much.
(Commence flamewar in 3... 2... 1...; but this really is relevant. FS people have a different view of the world, which I (biasedly) consider warped.)

Honestly, I'd say that this is not the first time that I've seen people so intent on finding human or social substitutes for a technical task that the initial intention became diluted or obscured. I see the goal here as related to production of good software in general, and of a system where apps install with minimal input or configuration in particular. Fragmentation hurts that, even when people's efforts to make everything newb-friendly are what leads to it.

People focusing on the human issues leads to thinking in terms of shiny instead of efficient; of "user friendly" instead of "minimal input or configuration"; that's half the problem here, IMO.


But most importantly, I've seen no one "committed to constraining the editorial options" of anyone. We've said we thought it (as implemented) was a bad idea; that's not at all the same as claiming we have a right to stop it, or as making an effort to stop it.

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There is a very big difference between freedom and chaos.

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I find it disheartening that the point was totally missed.

Maybe you read a different thread, and accidentally responded here?

Not the first time someone in a forum got it all wrong!