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Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)

I have some bibles in PDB format and would appreciate if it is supported too.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)

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Originally Posted by ARJWright (Post 358732)

Throwing this out there as a request, and for some reason I didn't ask about this before, but it hit just a few min ago when doing some admin work at the Bible+ (PalmOS-based Bible reader) site.

Is there any way that in addtion to the Sword support (since that seems pretty much the way the developers are thinking of going), that support for the .pdb Bibles used by Bible+ could also be supported by Katana?

Thanks for that consideration.

Actually conversion type programs is my specialty. ;-)
Do you know if their is any "encryption" on any of these .pdb

Nathan.

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Originally Posted by joshn53 (Post 358574)

Nathan, how helpful would it before me to send you periodic source code dumps of my work? I'm currently committing to my own SVN repository, but I'd be happy to send you my work-in-progress if you would like.

As an aside, I'm currently working on searching. After that, I think I'll try to develop a first-run dialog to download texts as appropriate. It's a little bit of a shot-in-the-dark experience, since I don't have a finished SDK or a real device to work with, but it sure is fun!

http://katana.garage.maemo.org

Then ask to join the project. I can add you as a developer and then you can submit the svn on the project.

Nathan

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Originally Posted by flux41 (Post 358760)

ARJWright, I think that is a great idea.
I just did some research and I found these two major programs for Bibles and Christian materials (Including payware books).

https://www.olivetree.com/
http://www.e-sword.net/bibles.html

It may be worth writing a conversion tool or a plugin so that people who have paid for copyrighted materials on other mobile devices still have access to them; effectively reducing some barriers for entry to Maemo.

We would have to write a "convertor" to convert either one of them to sword modules. However, I think their might be one already from olivetree modules. Not sure about e-sword.

Nathan.

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http://palmbibleplus.sourceforge.net/bibles.htm#2

You can get some Palm Bible+ PDB from the site above. There is a converter there for converting sword bibles to the PDB format but I believe it is possible convert from PDB to sword modules.

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 358336)

Once I figure out what it is missing (in the sword libs for you); do you want me to "package" it and submitting it to the builders to (still leaving you as the maintainer) to get it online for others?

What i did was just to change sword-1.6.0a/debian/sword16.install

It originally was

usr/lib/lib*.so
usr/lib/sword/*
usr/share/sword/locales.d/*

And i change the usr/share/sword line so it looks like the following now:

usr/lib/lib*.so
usr/lib/sword/*
usr/share/sword/*

I am not sure this works as expected with the optify rules as it looks i have some file appearing in two places (/usr/share/sword/locales and /opt/maemo/usr/share/sword/locales)

The inclusion of the extra mods.d directory is handy as you can then just copy /usr/share/sword in another place to get a sword directory template.

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not to hijack the thread nor the effort - would there be people who will prefer to use Bible+ via Garnet VM then (if there is going to be one for N900)?

wahlau.

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Originally Posted by wahlau (Post 358807)

not to hijack the thread nor the effort - would there be people who will prefer to use Bible+ via Garnet VM then (if there is going to be one for N900)?

wahlau.

I have just spotted this thread and might be very interested in this. I use two Palm programs extensively. DateBk and PalmBible+. I have put a lot of work into creating some Hebrew and Greek modules for Bible+. Does the Garnet VM display these type of modules properly? If so I may consider getting an n900. I tried StyleTap on a Pocket PC but it messed up the text when in full screen.

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Originally Posted by doksng (Post 358787)

You can get some Palm Bible+ PDB from the site above. There is a converter there for converting sword bibles to the PDB format but I believe it is possible convert from PDB to sword modules.

Nope, not possible to go from PDB to Sword. That has been attempted by a number of folks, and usually speaking, you can find the resource already within Sword unless you have done a personal .PDB conversion from another source.

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You can get some Palm Bible+ PDB from the site above. There is a converter there for converting sword bibles to the PDB format but I believe it is possible convert from PDB to sword modules.

I would advise against writing a tool that converts copyrighted materials. Since the publishing of that tool on the B+ site, there are always tons of questions (posed to myself actually) about what the copyright rules are for different regions for different versions of Bibles. Its honestly too hard to keep up with - and in many cases is pretty fruitless.

It is because of the work of many people behind the scense at Olive Tree, Bible+, and a number of other areas that more Bibles are available via an open license than what used to be the case. Yes, there are publishers of some popular versions still not able to be used electronically, but as an effort, its better to give them an incentive to open up (as was the case with the Message, ESV, and NET Bible folks), than to do things unethically and subvert the work they rightfully deserve compensation towards.

The tool on Bible+ was developed before many companies - publishing companies - decided to lock down even the electronic dissemenation of their materials. For most - currently - they do not allow the transfer of a licence - aka you cannot purchase the print version and get license to use the digital version. This falls under their legal right as copyright owners (in the US and many Western European countries). Check with your regions' rules before using that or other tools.

Again, its a political issue, not a technical one. And would be better served in a deeper discussion in Off-Topic here or in another forum.

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not to hijack the thread nor the effort - would there be people who will prefer to use Bible+ via Garnet VM then (if there is going to be one for N900)?

There has been no confirmation from Access towards the development of the Garnet VM for N900 devices. And while little prevents them from developing this, its at best a solution that's akin to dragging a cross around. If you will: why would you carry in a modern device an emulated environment for a few applications which have better equlivents on the more modern platform?

Bible+ works fine in the current Garnet emulator. However, instability with handling the virtual memory card can make for some interesting issues for Bibles and related content. In many occasions, you can lose the entire VM partition to just a random reboot - and this is because its still quite beta and not really an environment mean to run in your device for day-to-day tasks.

Hence my question for supporting .PDBs within Katana. In this way, the user doesn't lose the Bibles they have had already. Content such as bookmarks and note do export to memos, which can then be synced to a PC via Palm Desktop, and then migrated to the Maemo 5 device.

Re: Bible App for Maemo 5 Device(s)

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 358778)

Actually conversion type programs is my specialty. ;-)
Do you know if their is any "encryption" on any of these .pdb

Nathan.

There are is no encryption leveled on any of the .PDBs linked to from that site - with the possible exception of the Message as that was a special case that a few people worked very hard towards opening to the B+ community.

EDIT:
In terms of OliveTree modules, we would definitely be better in going to them directly. I've got a number of contacts there and will not have a problem with opening this discussion with them. However, the inclusion of Olive Tree modules would mean that some type of licensing mechanism would need to be built into Katana. I'm not sure that this falls under the original scope of the project, and this may introduce some other complexities.