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Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

The correct process should have been,

"Hey guys! I've just put out a new version of my games. Please check them out and vote for them here (link) and let me know if they're ready to be pushed."

20 minutes later, guess what, they're pushed.

Instead, he took the shadey road. That's it in a nutshell.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 534764)

Clearly defined and circumventing are a matter of opinion. That's what I was trying to point out. THe fact that a single user can only vote once is a pretty "Clearly defined" limitation. Just because theres a loophole allowing someone to create multiple accounts to push their point does not mean its right.

Same thing. Just because I bought a copy of some source code and its "clearly defined" that I did indeed pay for one copy does not mean the same loophole doesnt exist when it comes to posting it all over the web.

Obvioulsy I havent bought any source code nor do I plan on it. But my point still stands. There were "clearly defined" limitations set when he discovered he could only vote once with one account.

Just because I jiggle a door handle and find it unlocked does not mean I should walk in.

Well good luck with that point of argument in a court of law.

Again you people are basing your arguments on your interpretation of the rules (which I will again point out do not say anything about this).You can be upset about it, you can choose to no longer support his software, but the postings here went far beyond that to the point of exclusion of this developer from all future maemo dealings etc.

Just because you see the word in one way i n no way means the rest of the populous has to see the world the same way. Its that kind of single minded belief that an individuals point of view is the only correct one that leads to a crap load of problems in other areas of the world. Its entirely possible that in the developers part of the world, what he did would not have raised even an eyebrow. Cultural differences etc can give one person a completely different view of right and wrong. That is why RULES!!!!! documented are so important.

If the terms of use for the repositories had said ANYTHING about this situation I would be right at the front of the queue calling for censure of this guy. But they don't, so I am willing to accept that this was the end result of a farked up situation with no malice intended, which is precisely what his reply in the thread says.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

That's why they have juries Bratag. A slice of population who have power over laws and what they think is right.

The "jury" on this has spoken.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 534815)

That's why they have juries Bratag. A slice of population who have power over laws and what they think is right.

The "jury" on this has spoken.

Yep based entirely on their opinion of right and wrong. That's no way to run a world or forums. Without rules I am within my rights to do whatever I want and can use the defense "Well according to my moral point of view what I did was not wrong" and all I need to do is get enough people to agree with me and I can't be touched. Down that road my friend lays evil.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 534756)

Ok now you are making the assumption that everyone sees the world as you do, you can't expect everyone to see right and wrong as you do. That's why clearly documented rules are important in both society and here.

Seriously. You're really saying that when the rules say that something needs a certain number of votes, it's not clear that it doesn't mean a certain number of votes all from sockpuppet accounts controlled by one person? You don't think that's a bit obvious?

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Perhaps his sole thought was to get his product out to the market the only way he could

Firstly, it's not the only way he could; anyone can set up a repository. Take the Mozilla folks for example - they haven't pushed their various Firefox betas through the maemo.org process, because they haven't hosted them on maemo.org resources. That's fine, because then everyone knows where they stand and no-one is being misled.

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good for both him and the community that has time and time expressed a desire for commercial games of higher quality than the free ones.

There's no way of knowing that they were high quality, because the quality checking process was skipped. As has been pointed out in this thread already, previous releases of these packages have got an enthusiastic response from the community, and with that, volunteered testing that has got them through the process in a perfectly reasonable amount of time.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

That's no way to run a world? That's how justice is done in a majority of countries. The juror system is pretty much the best in the world. Do you understand it? It is the very basis of what IS right and wrong. Mankind makes those rules. You think the Aztecs thought their sacrifices were wrong? :D
That's why jury systems exist. That's why what is "right" and what is "wrong" is determined by the people themselves.

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

Socialism, Communism and maybe Islam is what come to my mind after reading all this .)

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

My view of the net result?

- one less developer for the platform
- better qa process adopted

I'm sorry that the developer left. I wish everyone criticizing the developer would release a game for the platform. And while they are at it, please review the source code of every single project in extras to see if there is any intentional or unintentionally malicious code in it.

Frank

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

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Originally Posted by Laughingstok (Post 534831)

Yep - and as soon as you show me where this rule was written down I will happily agree with you. Until then you are basing all of this on YOUR point of view (along with some others) There are a number of people here that think that he deserves a second chance or even that he did nothing wrong at all. Are they wrong as well because YOU think that your point of view is the correct one?

Re: SIO2 Interactive spamming votes to get his/her applications to Extras

my 2 eurocents, from an italian point of view:

- shame on you sio2, not for what you did, but, man, how could you have thought that noone would have noticed??? we need more careful developers, honest or not, thats not so important. :) but be smarter, please!

- you can't call that "soccer"! that's not soccer! call it penalty workout if you want. whean i read soccer, i accept payng for testin (i've bought the n900 after all!), i accept being exploited (really, im not ironic neither moralist) but i do want real soccer 3d like PES or at least FIFA, holy ****!

EDIT: yes we do have euros in italy!