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thanks qole!
that will do me for now...

new question: If I install Easy Debian Turbo on a 4 gb card tomorrow to start and a week later get an 8 gb card, if I copy everything from the 4 to the 8 will that work? Or is it like a true install that to copy the contents to a new drive doesn't actualy work?

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If you move the big image file to your new card, everything should work fine.

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sweet!

oh, removing anything in the budle afterwords wont cause it to become unstable and crash will it?

also, I assume that it wont be possible to run maemo and debian apps simultaneouly like media player while using Gimp?

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I don't understand your first question, but moving the file should be done only after you reboot the tablet, just to make sure the image file is closed.

You should be able to run Debian and Maemo apps simultaneously.

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qole:

To try and clarify the "first question"; after Debian is installed to the n810, can I go into Applications and uninstall the Open Office portion from the "bundle" of apps that you have put together in the Easy Debian without any consequences? This would be to save some space on the SD card as I am assuming that the Open Office portion of the bundle is a pretty hefty part of that ISO file.

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The ISO file size is fixed at 1.1 GB. You could remove OpenOffice with Synaptic, but it only frees up space inside the ISO file.

You can safely install Inkscape, and GIMP is already there. If you see another big graphics app you want to try, then you can remove OpenOffice (and Iceweasel too).

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QOLE! I TOOK THE PLUNGE!!!!

I have NO IDEA what I am doing nor how to manipulate this environment but thanks!

So, as far as removing Open Office then, it would really only give me more space inside of the alloted ISO filesize. So, is this space inside the ISO kind of like a partition? Also, what are the approximate file sizes of the Open Office Suite as well as the Iceweasel Browser? Once I uninstall these apps, will my 4 GB SD card show that I have more available memory than before I uninstalled them?

Thanks!

Trying to grasp alot of these new concepts at the same time so bare with me...

Also, to install Inkscape, I saw the info in your FAQ( see below ), so I guess I need to do this first. Where do I go to find Inkscape to install it from?



Q: I want to install more applications! How do I do that?
A: First, you have to update the repository lists. From the prompt in Debian Chroot menu item:
Code:

apt-get update

Now, you must get some space back! There's almost no extra room in the image file.
Code:

apt-get install localepurge; localepurge

This will get you at least 80MB back. You should probably do this first, before starting to install. Running out of space during an install in Debian is ugly.

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No. Imagine that big ISO file is a cooler, Easy Debian applications are sodas inside it, and the SD card is the trunk of your car. You can take out some of the soda to make room for some beer, but regardless of how much soda or beer is (or isn't) inside the cooler, the cooler will always take up the same large amount of space in your trunk.

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@sjgadsby

Great analogy!

So the ISO space is DEDICATED!

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Alright going back to page 69 I did the samething as I did before and it worked. I had to do it all over again cause my damn thing had to be reflashed. Again, So now I do exactly what I did before and I get a mounting error telling me I cannot mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 to /debian. I edited the .chroot thing to IMGFILE=/dev/mmcblk1p1 and CHROOT=/debian . What am I doing wrong?

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ok, I found the command : apt-get install inkscape and typed it in and got this response:

Need to get 32.3MB of archives.
After this operation, 105MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue?

I then chose "no" as I did not know what to do for sure and remembered reading that running out of space causes serious issues...don't want to go there...

So, now how do I uninstall Open Office (which I don't want) to make room for Inkscape (which I do want)!

Thanks!

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First, check to see how much space you have. At the chroot prompt:

Look under 'avail'... You need about 140MB, how much do you have?

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says 184MB avail

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So you're good! After installing, do
to get some more space back.

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qole...

done...works...clean
with 84MB avail space!

thanks all!

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ok so last question for a while...

how do I get the same Debian screen as shown in the youtube video here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sBwHgktpg at about 4:35?
Not a big deal but trying to learn...

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Oh mightiest Qole, the One who gave us humble peasants, forgive my soul for I have sinned...
I was going to try wxmaxima for Debian to check its usability compared to the one ported by Anunakin, so launched Synaptic, refreshed the applications database, checked every update and selected the desired package: around 100Mb where needed between packages to be downloaded and space for the actual installation.
I knew 400Mb where left free after Inkscape installation, so I clicked OK...

The horror!!! I probably remembered wrong, because right in the middle of the installation everything froze: no space left in the Easydebian partition... d'oh!
Killed synaptic, I had to reset the tablet, it hung so I removed the battery and went to sleep...
Now my question is: can I recover my beloved Debian or I have 100% chances I screwed it up so badly it's best to reformat the partition and start anew?

Edit: never mind, some dpkg magic and apt-get clean saved the day :D and I still have 195Mb free :D

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Oh humble peasant JustNick, who has come to the Easy Debian gods with your supplication, your request has been heard and We have worked with might upon your tablet and We have allowed you to rescue your partition.

:D

Seriously, though, there is something weird with your problem... You probably should unmount the partition and, as root, do:

Change the 0 and the 1 to the correct numbers for your partition...

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OK, still need to know the procedure to uninstall the Open Office suite and or one of the browsers? Still would like to know how much space Open Office takes up in this bundle...

Also, is the Desktop environment that came in the bundle changeable to something else like KDE or Gnome? (Yes, I did a little research today about Debian @ debian.org).

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Here's a thankful paesant to report that that command showed no error :) And his EasyDebian partition is ealthier than ever :)

On a side note, fdisking the SD I use to boot my NIT (without unmounting it, I just needed to see the partition table) I discovered some spooky warnings about the partitions (a total of three made with fanoush console-tools) not being aligned on cylinder boundaries... I guess it's nothing, in fact everything works just fine...

Thanks again Qole ;)

@coosbaytv: in a chroot terminal you can use
This should uninstall the program you want get rid of and all the dipendencies installed with it and no longer needed ;)

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Hi all,

Sorry about this, I'm pretty n00b and don't really understand how anything works.

Wont putting debian onto an MMC wear it out quickly with lots of writing and re-writing?

Jack

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@JustNick it didn't work it got this error:

syntax error near unexpected token `&&'

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coosbaytv:

Just a slight difference from JustNick's suggestion. Do this instead:

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Thanks qole...

will try this in a few minutes...

So, is there someplace that I can get the info to learn about the basics of the commands and structure of Easy Debian rather than having to bug you all for every little thing?

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@qole ok, 306MB free after removal of open office...

would removing the browsers gain me anything as well? I am really only interested in using the maemo browser anyway.

also, do the rules of the PC world apply here as well? I am referring to, now that I have over 300MB free in that ISO file, will the apps run smoother or faster?

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I don't think that's a rule in the PC world. Hard drive space has very little impact on application performance.

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It would be nice for new people doing this to see some sort of progress bar on the uncompression because with no feedback the first time I think i escaped the window, thinking there was going to be no indication of a finished uncompression and install.

Now nothing regarding debian works. OO, synaptic, iceweasel, anything.... I'm re downloading and trying a reinstall but now I'm worried another almost 2 gigs of space taken up on my card and also maybe double installation of some things.

An hour Later: No luck. I kill as many apps as i can and then try to run debian lxde and it comes up with a window that says

"this is a debian lxde window. Instead of closing this window you should log out." None of the other apps work.

Another hour later: I uninstalled easy mer and now it works.

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It's not completely true if we consider file fragmentation and the use of swap file. Of course this is mostly a Windows problem :D

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hy man! I've installed easydebian just for curiosity, and I admit is very well done (apart the sightly slow of some applications xD)
now that i've installed all, how can i remove icons like "install debian image" or the "openoffice" icon (because I've unistalled it)
who can help me??

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EDIT EDIT EDIT :
- - - Ctrl+Chr doesn't work in OpenOffice/easy-devian .

EDIT EDIT :
Another thread just taught me about the Ctrl-Chr switch.
( Nothing in my nit manual.)

It solves the problem by switching [ æø <> äö ] ( and cyrillic <> latin).

But if one likes details, the difference described below is still strange.



(Apologies of this was covered before..)

@ qole , with many thanks for easy debian + easy mer !!

I run both in two ext2 partitions on my ext. mmc (N810, OS .43-7).
( debian-sqeeze-rootfs.tar.bz2 , I've forgotten which easy-mer and how I got it to a partition but it came with OO 3.)
OpenOffice 3 in both (as delivered within your easy-xxx-files), with different start logos though.

Those OO text editors behave differently with certain scandinavian umlaut characters.
( Due to differences in OO or "easy-" implementation? )
I guess Russian is affected too.

Look at the rx-44 file.
( /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 , found in a post by fanoush.)

In the scandinavian section certain umlauts are defined in something called "EIGHT_LEVEL".
Exactly these come out different with the sliding keyboard.
( I have a swedish N810, set to English as device and Swedish as regional language.)
In easy-mer-OO : the swedish umlauts, as in e.g. leafpad.
In easy-debian-OO : the danish/norvegian umlauts.


Just in case this wasn't known to you.
Thanks again for your great stuff !


EDIT: Additional info.
My N810 changed keyboard layout all by itself.
( It happened once long ago and only reflashing helped.)
A window appeared saying "keyboard layout changed" or similar.

It is exactly the same umlaut characters that changed (, probably as if I had changed to Norvegian or Danish as regional language).

NOW:
Both OOs show the same changed umlauts.

As no changes of keyboard layout or language settings (with reboots) have helped,
I guess something in my tablet mishandles these "type EIGHT_LEVEL" definitions a bit.


EDIT EDIT :
Another thread just taught me about the Ctrl-Chr switch.
( Nothing in my nit manual.)

It solves the problem by switching [ æø <> äö ] ( and cyrillic <> latin).

But if one likes details, the difference above is still strange.


EDIT EDIT EDIT :
- - - Ctrl+Chr doesn't work in OpenOffice/easy-devian .

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I was searching, but with no succes. I have debian in the external mmc1 in my n810 and I would like to boot directly on it.. not to run as chroot.. is it possible?? any how to? thnak you for all your effort and all your help, to the developers of this great tools and the members of this forum...

also, hello from argentina!

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ok...I gave it a try and have concluded that the NIT is a much better tool with just Maemo.
How do I uninstall Easy Debian without crashing this thing?
I did a search and found nothing on complete removal.

thanks

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Read e-books ?

Don't forget that openoffice in easy-debian is excellent
for converting books in .doc format to e.g. rich text format
readable by FBReader.

( So does doc-Reader, but not as good.)

I run maemo cloned on int. mmc, and easy-debian is not in the way.

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Uninstall the package with the Application Manager. Reboot. Delete the big image file from your SD card. Done.

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Hi qole , I want to thank you for this software and ask you some questions:

how can I install new program on Lxde? i do not see any "application manager" similar to maemo, there are other ways?? (I'm a linux noob so It's new for me :) )

How can I have sound work on Lxde??

How can I swithc from Lxde fo IceWM?? I want it for it's speed :)

thanks a lot for the attenction!

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pinguino89:

• Use the Synaptic Package Manager from Maemo to install new Debian apps.
• Sound works, you may need to set up your Debian apps to use ESD / esound.
• You can install IceWM yourself (using Synaptic), but it is lacking some key features of LXDE, which is why I moved from IceWM to LXDE.

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thanks a lot qole!!!
I thought that sound doesn't work because when I use FF3 or epiphany, youtube or other video,plays well but no sound!

and, just for curiosity, what features Lack in iceWM? because I want to value if move to it or not

thx!

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oh, and another requst;
what's the best media player for debian? are there any other apps (other than the one installed on the partition?) thx a lot!!!!

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pinguino89: The maemo media players are all superior to the Debian ones, because they are optimized for the tablets. Similarly, I recommend using something like mYTube in Maemo to watch youtube videos, instead of Debian FF3 or Epiphany.

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thanks a lot, so It's mean to use the 2 os together instead of using one or the other: cool!!!

and a last question ( then I promise to shut up xD xD ) are there any generic software that you can advise??? only to see how far can I go with only my tablet (and leaving my laptop)

thx a lot!! you rock!