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Search in this thread, post #360, the way I mapped esc to shift-backspace. Alternatively, the latest Qole's debian image should be able to issue F5 - do shift-fn-5.

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olympus, just open X Terminal in Easy Debian and then type sudo ooffice -writer. This will open "the same" Writer which is under shortcut in phone's menu. So, "this" Writer will also have opened Styles and Formatting window at launch. Just close S&F window with stylus (x box) and your issue would be solved. ;)

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thank you both for your answers, i managed to fix it with ur help.

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Can you give me more details about what you mean with "user does not get initialized properly"? I thought it was getting initialized properly...

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Just as an interesting note (and in the event anyone else has noticed this)... I just called myself when running Synaptic w/in LXDE environment. When the phone call was over (rejected) the screen never redrew itself. I had to slide my pen around to "erase the blackness" as it were, until I could select another virtual desktop, and then go back to the original pane where I had Synaptic open. It didn't help to cntl-backspace out to the native OS and back again. -Thor
P.S. Otherwise the Dev version is working wonderfully.

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kolos, olympus:

You can also open OpenOffice from the LXDE menu. You don't need to open the terminal and run it from there.

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ye, noticed that but i think it takes more time to open a file, etc.

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Denis, would you be willing to detail the steps you took to make themes changeable?

I have followed the earlier postings, but I'm obviously missing or misunderstanding something, as I haven't made it work.

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Using external Writer (outside LXDE) is for many of us more convenient, because it opens much faster.
I know that OpenOffice is also inside LXDE menu, but this one doesn't help to fix issue with Styles & Formatting window in external Writer, because it uses different user profile. Because of that I pointed olympus to the Writer launched from terminal as sudo, which is the same as external and where he can easily close that annoying window.

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In this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...223#post553223
I described how I managed to change themes.

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I don't know exactly what goes wrong with zim when started by debbie - it gets quite confused about the notebook structure, which is defined in /home/user/.config/zim and than with further control files in the notebook directories defined therein (which I put under MyDocs).
With "sudo debian su -c zim - user" everything works as it should, but not when starting via debbie, although zim does find its folders initially. But when using it further, it does not keep track of what it's doing, and ends in a mess.

I noticed that "su - user" leads to a pwd of /home/user, but "debbie" has / . Also /home/user/.profile is only read with "su - user", hence my suspicion that some things are not initialized like in a regular login shell.

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rebhana: thanks for discovering this!

RobbH: that's exactly the post I followed to have theme changes actually work.

I change the background image via "Desktop Settings." Theme changes, as well as Font size, are programmed via the "Appearances" panel in Settings... this wasn't working until rebhana's discovery. I also like to fiddle with the panel settings... you have to do this twice, one for the top panels, once for the panels on the side... in the Appearance section of the settings panel I set "Solid color (with opacity)" to on... this used to be called "Transparency". Also, need to program the Font Custom Color. Below the result,

http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/...tle/Debtop.png

--denis

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Thank you! My misunderstanding was with this part:

I thought that meant that the step you had described before this did not work, after all.

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I see, I'll edit my edit then.

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Editing task bars, backgrounds and windows:

I have been playing around a bit this morning trying to personalise the desktop (inspired by delaroca).

I am not a confident Linux user yet so it I thought it would be a good idea to post a quick guide on how to change things for others that aren't Linux users, from what I have learnt today, please only follow this if you know what you are doing, until someone else OK's these steps or posts better ones :)

1) First off open up System Tools --> PCMan File Manager
2) Go to View and select Show Hidden Flies
3) Open up the folder called .config
4) Open up the folder called lxde
5) Open up the file called config (should open in leafpad)
6) Remove the line "sNet/ThemeName=MurrinaNightOrange"

(Screenshots for this stage are labelled PCMan_01 to 04 and Edited_config_file) --> obviously take care when changing anything in here!! ;)

This will now allow you to change the background and task bars (thanks to the guys that posted that answer on here), I have attached a screenshot of what I have done (Desktop Screen Shot.png) and the steps are below if you would like something similar:

1) Right click on the larger task bar (the one where your minmised windows go) and delete it (so you only have the little one left with the cpu monitor etc)
2) Right click on the smaller task bar and copy the preferences from the screenshots that I have attached (Preference Panel 01 to 04)
3) Right click on the desktop and copy screenshot of Desktop Preferences Panel 01

If you would like the "mulitple dektops" icon back just add it in on the Panel Applets menu.

I also changed the "windows" theme by using Openbox config manager in Preferences.

I think the minimised task bar works well because you get even more screen room (you can bring it back up again by either clicking really close to the bottom of the screen or if you are on the desktop drag the mouse down to the bottom of the screen. This set up will probably not be good for everyone but it works well for me :D

I guess there are easier ways to change the config in terminal but i don't know how so I hope this way is ok, even if it is a bit round-about! :D If there is anything wrong with these steps could someone let me know, I would hate to mess things up for anyone else, but mine seems to be fine after changing it. :cool:

I hope this was of some help to people, I know playing around with desktop pics and task bar colours isn't exactly important but its nice to be able to personalise a bit :D:D

"""additional screen shots on post below""""

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Extra Screenshots

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Final one :D:D

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davedickson (or someone), you should make a wiki page attached to the main Easy Debian one about configuring Easy Debian's LXDE.

Any questions that you see getting asked here are candidates for the wiki, really...

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Qole, no problem when i get a sec ill put a page together, wanted to post here first though to check the steps were correct and none 'dangerous' or if there was an easier/better way of doing things before creating a page :D

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Quick question(s) regarding configuring LXDE.

I've managed to change the fonts and the title bar sizes, but as yet I do not know how to change the size of the scroll bars. Could you plase talk me through this?

Also, when launching applications from a shortcut in hildon they have a separate appearance. Is is possible to edit this as well?
Is it possible to lauch/switch them to full screen?

Thank you for your help, with this device and Easy Debian I hardly have to resort to using my PC and save on the leccy bills!

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qole: does the movable windows hack still work -- there's no key bindings for it in the current .xbindkeysrc?

Question 2: the maemo 5 rootstrap image that you have on your archive is not the latest rootstrap, no? I suppose i could mount the image that you provide, zero it out and then unpack the latest armel SDK rootstrap on it, yes?

Anyway, the bootstrap is just that... one would need to install development kits before doing any real development on the device, no? But more importantly, starting this SDK image via easy chroot, gives me a shell in 'root'... how can I get a shell as 'user'?

--denis

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delaroca: No the movable windows hack no longer works in Maemo 5.

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I have bow made a ubunt karmic image for easy debian. I had to give up on the alpha relase of lucid. It was too unstable. The c-libs on it was so unstable that it often made my N900 reboot.

The karmic image looks more stable than the lucid one. I have put in the hacks for sound and made a link from firefox to iceweasel so that the shortcut for iceweasel will start firefox. The java-appletsigning problem I had in easy debian image is gone in this ubuntu-karmic release. (S)mplayer works well in lxde, and plays files well.

The image can be download here:

http://www.filehosting.org/file/deta...ac-v2.img.lzma

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hstende: I have also wasted most of my weekend on Ubuntu. I have a Karmic image with only OpenOffice.org upgraded to Lucid's 3.2 version. I'll post it on my site in the next few days.

I agree that Lucid is very unstable. I started over 6-10 times when the whole image corrupted... I upgraded Apt and that seems to have kept things from breaking this time...

My version has no sound, Java or Firefox, just LXDE and OpenOffice. 3.2. Maybe I'll host both of our versions; I'll make mine only an OpenOffice 3.2 "appliance".

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@qole I had openoffice 3.2 rc4 stable, but lot's of other programs got unstable, and I found the c-libs to be the one making trouble. My lucid image got more and more unstable after installing new apps. I think it's better to stay with karmic in ubuntu till lucid gets to beta stage and openoffice is build for release and not rc4.

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hstende: you're right, it happened again. As soon as I install openoffice 3.2, apt is broken beyond repair.

So the trick is to install everything I need from Karmic, and when I've got it completely set up, install openoffice 3.2. That will break Apt, but OOO works fine.

This time I made a pre-lucid backup... ;)

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qole: maybe we could try installing openoffice 3.2 with forcing it to use the older c-libs. I don't know if it will work, but it might work. I installed strace and when running apt with strace it worked most times..........(maybe the error didn't wan't to be traced :eek:)
Synaptic also worked most of the time...

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Hi everybody.

I am having problems with this new version of EasyDebian, and the image v3b. The Synaptic not open under LXDE, only in the menu of Maemo. But, when I install a app, it not appears for me in the menu of Debian. It's a bug or I am doing something wrong? The installation process occurs without any problems, and I tried install image both in MyDocs and in microSD card, without success. Anyone can help me, please?

Thanks in advance.

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Can remember if the synaptic inside Easy Debian works. I use the one in the maemo menu, or apt-get to install stuff.

@hstende
Im testing the img from you right now. Did i miss something, or how do i right-click ?

Is it possible to boot this images direct with the bootloader ?
I got mer/lxde running on my N900 and it would be nice, if this would work too.

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OptX, thanks for your response.

Inside EasyDebian there three icons of Synaptic. One in "Others" tab, and two in "Configurations" tab. The second of "Configurations" tab finally run here, but the icon of app (FreeCiv) not appeared, yet.

But now, the menu of the Debian also disappeared, so I think I will have to reinstall everything again.

The v2 image was definitely more stable than this...

Is there any way I can install it again?

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vitorgregorio: I've noticed that some apps don't appear in the LXDE menu, too. What do you mean, "the menu of the Debian also disappeared"? Reinstalling the image or easy debian probably won't fix your problem.

OptX, hstende: You have to apt-get install libgtkstylus to get tap-and-hold right-click.

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I installed easy debian and it was working fine before but now when I try to start it, the desktop loads up but the screen flickers at the top where the panel bar should be. I tried to do a renistall by deleting the 2gb file and installing again, but the problem persists.
Can anyone tell me which files I should delete so that I can do a totally fresh install?

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I am really starting to get into Easy Debian, and I would like to understand if I can somehow get to the Easy Debian chrooted environment from the Maemo native environment. For example, if I created a text file inside Easy Debian, I would like to access it from the regular N900 operating system environment (perhaps through file manager or via xterminal (CLI).

Any thoughts are appreciated, thank you.

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bret hart:

Please make sure that there is only one image file on your device. This seems to be the problem for people reporting problems with the top menu.

Delete the old debian-m5-v2 file and use the debian-m5-v3b one instead.

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There's no problem with doing that, just do it. Your home directory is mounted by Maemo and Debian at the same time. You might however want to stop editing in one of the two before switching over to the other.

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When I try using synaptic package manager, roxterm opens up prompting for a root password. When I try and enter anything the characters wont show up. What should the default password be? I have not set any pw up, not even in maemo, so how do I get past the password promt?

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if you must use synaptic inside the LXDE environment, use "sudo synaptic" from either the "Run" menu item or from the roxterm terminal. I think one of the synaptic menu items might do this for you. You can also set the root password with "sudo passwd".

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I need to get a new version into testing. I think the current Extras-devel version is good enough. Remind me: anyone find any showstoppers in 0.9.45 that I need to fix before pushing to Extras-testing?

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Not a showstopper, but what about deleting the theme setting line in ~/.config/lxde/config that prevents people from modifying themes in LXDE because it's overriding the settings in .gtkrc-2.0 ?

Coming back to an issue I raised before: I now realized that the different behavior of debbie versus sudo debian su - user comes from the fact that in /usr/bin/debbie you have su without "-"
Is that on purpose, i.e. did you find it safer not to have a login shell behavior by default?

EDIT: I see it's too late for Testing now, so that's for the next round. Congrats btw for being constantly on Downloads/Popular! :)

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Im using Easy Debian with the ubuntu img. from hstende. I have a problem with the desktop. Is that locked in some way ? I cant drag the Documents folder anywhere, and if i use the "add to desktop" option, the shortcut does not show up. What do i have to change ?

And sudo passwd does not help me. When i type sudo passwd, i have to enter a password first, because of the sudo :(

hstende did you set up a password ?