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timoph 2012-02-02 15:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1159478)
my understanding was that as far as support was concerned, the N900 was more or less DOA...
well, on intensive care, maybe ;)
I disagree. They funded this community for years (still do), you could get direct contact with the actual developers, they donated n900s to the community members before it's release, it was marketted (not as much as the symbian things but anyway), etc. even when it clearly wasn't a mainstream product. I know somethings could've been done in a better way but at least I'm happy with the support it got while it was supported. oh. And how many other phones you can flash yourself when you mess it up (or are even able to mess up)? They did provide tools and images to do so (still do).

misterc 2012-02-02 15:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timoph (Post 1159488)
I disagree. They funded this community for years (still do), you could get direct contact with the actual developers, they donated n900s to the community members before it's release, it was marketted (not as much as the symbian things but anyway), etc. even when it clearly wasn't a mainstream product. I know somethings could've been done in a better way but at least I'm happy with the support it got while it was supported. oh. And how many other phones you can flash yourself when you mess it up (or are even able to mess up)? They did provide tools and images to do so (still do).
copy THAT, 5 by 5!
(was sort'a pulling your leg ;) )

to give a little background, i looked at (nearly) every one of 770, N8x0 & N900 before falling for the N900 (three, meanwhile, one having been exchanged against a N8)
of course, i wasn't aware of Marmo.org prior to getting the N900 but learned to appreciate it since :o

pali 2012-02-03 17:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pali (Post 1159408)
@SD69:

We (Maemo Community) needs more people with access to Extras-* repositories.

For example package rootsh (http://maemo.org/packages/view/rootsh/) version 1.5 which is in Extras has bug in uninstall script. This problem is fixed (and working without problem) in version 1.8 which is only in Extras-devel.

Only maintainer can promote package from Extras-devel to Extras. But maintainer of rootsh is off and nobody can fix this problem.

So in Extras is buggy SW, but fixed in Extras-Devel. I'm sure that there are more buggy packages (which are fixed in devel), but nobody has permission to promote it.

This problem with rootsh SHOULD be fixed ASAP - not in next year (as kernel-power). SD69, what can you do as memeber of Community Council? I'm suggesting (again) that Nokia (or X-Fade?) should add repository permission to Community and NOT only to maintainers of package.
Now I got maintainer permission (from somebody?) and I promoted fixed version 1.8 to Extras-Testing: http://maemo.org/packages/package_in...el/rootsh/1.8/

misterc 2012-02-03 22:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timoph (Post 1159488)
[...]n900[...] was marketted (not as much as the symbian things but anyway), etc. even when it clearly wasn't a mainstream product. [...]
the N900 was and the N9 still is a foray into "disruptive technologies"... NOT a mainstream product.

vi_ 2012-02-03 23:20
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Lets just cut to the chase. Pali, freemangordon, nicolai and the merlin19xx,MAG have proven their metal. Just make them super maintainers that they can promote/demote packages willy nilly. It would sure help us update/move/fix a lot of stuck/orphaned/broken stuff.

SD69, whaddya say?

misterc 2012-02-03 23:56
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vi_,

i know this is not the answer you are hoping for, but hereafter an excerpt of the last Council's meeting...

Quote:
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:30:25] <SD69> For point B. let me preface by saying there is the impression that the community suffers because there is currently not enough bodies maintaining maemo.org
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:30:53] <X-Fade> What do you think needs more maintaining?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:31:17] <SD69> package promotion
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:31:42] <X-Fade> Why don't you just add more supertesters to the group in garage then?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:31:42] <SD69> and this is because package maintainers go awol, etc.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:32:24] <SD69> how do we do that - I mean give you names or what?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:32:43] <X-Fade> Just add them to the group yourself?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:33:00] <X-Fade> I thought you were admin in that project?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:33:08] <X-Fade> Or did achipa manage this?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:33:19] <SD69> it was not me
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:33:30] <X-Fade> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/qatesters/
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:33:42] <SD69> I admit the handoff of community tasks has not always been smooth
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:34:13] <X-Fade> Changing the people there will give them rights. 3 votes from supertesters cause promotion.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:35:01] <SD69> and do you a suggestion for applying new maintainer when the previous one goes awol?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:35:49] <X-Fade> I'd say write to -developers, ask for comments and if there is no response or no objections, I can change it?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:36:07] <X-Fade> At least we need to do this in public.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:36:44] <SD69> of course in public
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:37:27] <SD69> but you seem to have busy schedule...
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:37:39] <X-Fade> I mean to give the original maintainer some place to respond.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:37:55] <X-Fade> I just need a clear list every X amount of time.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:38:08] <X-Fade> I can't go through random posts on forums etc.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:38:21] <X-Fade> So if you assign someone to keep a list etc, I'm fine with that.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:38:48] Quit mairas has left this server (Remote host closed the connection).
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:38:59] Join mairas has joined this channel (mairas@nat/nokia/x-cqyjbrtchucngszk).
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:39:03] <misterc__> X-Fade, what is X amount of time & how much time would you then have?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:39:20] <X-Fade> I'd say process changes once a month or so?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:39:27] <SD69> I have busy schedule too...
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:39:36] <mairas> sorry, proxy disconnects randomly :-(
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:39:51] <X-Fade> Let's try to see if you can organize that and eval afterwards?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:40:24] <SD69> I'd rather give someone else some admin rights than go through a list - it could become a bottleneck in practice
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:41:15] <X-Fade> Doing adhoc changes to the repo is also not what you want.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:41:27] <misterc__> once a month seems okay. how much time can you muster for that? as much as needed?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:41:42] <X-Fade> You need people to step up and say: "Hey, that doesn't look right"
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:42:19] <X-Fade> Depending on the amount of packages, it is not that much work.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:42:31] <X-Fade> People just need to apply to be maintainer themselves.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:42:49] <X-Fade> And we then need a list of packages where we need to approve the change.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:43:26] Quit mairas has left this server (Remote host closed the connection).
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:43:37] <misterc__> and after that, those ppl can do all needed tasks themselves (promoting packages aso.)?
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:43:44] Join mairas has joined this channel (mairas@nat/nokia/x-qljjirhhagtvpgwk).
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:43:45] <X-Fade> Yes.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:44:08] <X-Fade> Just like you add an extra maintainer to your own package.
[Thursday 12 January 2012] [14:44:50] <SD69> I think we can try it

gerbick 2012-02-04 20:28
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Does the council know when the final date will be when Nokia pulls the plug on TMO?

SD69 2012-02-04 23:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 1160178)
Lets just cut to the chase. Pali, freemangordon, nicolai and the merlin19xx,MAG have proven their metal. Just make them super maintainers that they can promote/demote packages willy nilly. It would sure help us update/move/fix a lot of stuck/orphaned/broken stuff.

SD69, whaddya say?
Supertesters is the next thing on my maemo list. Read the ML thread on this topic. But we should do an open call so others know about it too.

I am in New Orleans now (mardi gras starting :p) so it might be a while. Feel free to start a new announcement thread for supertester nominations and/or crowdsourcing of criteria if no other council members (past or present) pop up before I do. My preference is for some objective measure of trustworthiness such as amount or length of time of maemo-related development.

ivgalvez 2012-02-08 12:00
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Apart from supertesters (really needed) I would suggest that autopromotion frm testing should be done once an application has reached the needed votes and passed the quarantine.

What's the point in promoting something to testing to then, once it has been tested, do not promote it to extras?

No there are lots of applications with dozens of votes in testing that could benefit from this change.

timoph 2012-02-08 12:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1162085)
Apart from supertesters (really needed) I would suggest that autopromotion frm testing should be done once an application has reached the needed votes and passed the quarantine.

What's the point in promoting something to testing to then, once it has been tested, do not promote it to extras?

No there are lots of applications with dozens of votes in testing that could benefit from this change.
At least I don't trust most of the votes. The more popular packages seem to get ok votes right after putting it to testing so that tells me that either people don't really test it or don't test it enough.

Remember that the extras promotions affect people with no interest in -testing or -devel. Believe it or not but there are n900 users who don't even know about those repos (I live with one). While I understand that one can't be too anal with community QA but there has to be some sort of quarantee that the package is properly tested. Automated promotions will only lower the quality of extras and will not solve the problem of too few testers.

ivgalvez 2012-02-08 18:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timoph (Post 1162103)
At least I don't trust most of the votes. The more popular packages seem to get ok votes right after putting it to testing so that tells me that either people don't really test it or don't test it enough.

Remember that the extras promotions affect people with no interest in -testing or -devel. Believe it or not but there are n900 users who don't even know about those repos (I live with one). While I understand that one can't be too anal with community QA but there has to be some sort of quarantee that the package is properly tested. Automated promotions will only lower the quality of extras and will not solve the problem of too few testers.
No, the question here is that there are packages (a lot) that could be promoted right now if their maintainers wouldn't have disappeared. So automated promotion (when votes, quarantine, etc. is correct) would only avoid orphaned packages to stagnate in testing forever.

Nothing grants you now that unproperly tested packages get promotion to Extras if they have an active maintainer.

misterc 2012-02-08 19:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1162313)
[...]So automated promotion (when votes, quarantine, etc. is correct) would only avoid orphaned packages to stagnate in testing forever.
should orphaned packages be promoted to extra @ all? as timoph pointed out, the extras / maemo wihich is listed by default in HAM's catalogs should maybe not contain products which are not maintained any more?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1162313)
Nothing grants you now that unproperly tested packages get promotion to Extras if they have an active maintainer.
good point!

jacktanner 2012-02-08 19:16
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Well, it's not right to automatically promote a package if it has no active maintainer.

timoph 2012-02-08 22:34
Do we have list of packages in extras missing a maintainer? I'd guess we still have people with skill and will to maintain those?

So I'd propose starting a wiki page for packages looking for maintainer. Also it's important to try to contact the original maintainer and give reasonable time to response if (s)he is still doing something with the package.

IMO packages in extras with critical bugs and no maintainer should be removed from there.

misterc 2012-02-09 00:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timoph (Post 1162427)
Do we have list of packages in extras missing a maintainer? I'd guess we still have people with skill and will to maintain those?

So I'd propose starting a wiki page for packages looking for maintainer. Also it's important to try to contact the original maintainer and give reasonable time to response if (s)he is still doing something with the package.
any way to determine whether a developer is still working on his package ?!?
number of days (weeks?) since last update?
TMO PM and wait?

Quote:
Originally Posted by timoph (Post 1162427)
IMO packages in extras with critical bugs and no maintainer should be removed from there.
copy that!
but see above :confused:
additional point to consider: there is another version available in testing and/or dev...

==> without release management, this is going to be a nightmare, @ best :(

ivgalvez 2012-02-09 09:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1162328)
should orphaned packages be promoted to extra @ all? as timoph pointed out, the extras / maemo wihich is listed by default in HAM's catalogs should maybe not contain products which are not maintained any more?



good point!
I don't see that point, then a lot of stuff will be removed!

Unmaintaned packages won't receive updates but that doesn't mean they don't work as expected. For that case, we need supertesters to be able to retire problematic/broken packages from Extras

timoph 2012-02-09 13:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1162463)
any way to determine whether a developer is still working on his package ?!?
number of days (weeks?) since last update?
TMO PM and wait?
The packages should have contact email in them. And what comes to tmo private messages.. at least I don't read them so I'd just use email. Also not everyone uses tmo (at least the community used to be a lot more than a simple discussion forum)

Also there's a system to request package maintainment for yourself already in place. At least I got an email a while ago where someone requested rights to maintain a package I was doing earlier. IIRC the mail had a link to form inside maemo.org to grant the rights. So what I'm saying the infra for doing the changes is already in place but evidently not used.

The problem with this is that what happens when the original maintainer doesn't respond to the request or queries. I'd give at least 2-3 weeks to respond before taking any action. Btw, who can manually move the rights if all contact attempts fail?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 1162569)
Unmaintaned packages won't receive updates but that doesn't mean they don't work as expected. For that case, we need supertesters to be able to retire problematic/broken packages from Extras
yep. My point was to get rid of unmaintained packages with critical bugs.

Also: When I'm talking about maintaining I don't mean that someone steps up and starts implementing features x, y or z. They can do that but then it's also development not just maintaining the package.

pali 2012-02-13 07:34
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@SD69:
Look at thread about Wolfram Alpha: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73804

Can you ask W|A team for exception on Maemo application?

SD69 2012-02-16 12:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pali (Post 1164300)
@SD69:
Look at thread about Wolfram Alpha: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73804

Can you ask W|A team for exception on Maemo application?
Council already asked and was denied. :(

rcolistete 2012-02-22 18:22
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Could you help me ? I would like to be the maintainer of IPython :
http://maemo.org/packages/view/ipython/
for Maemo 4 and 5, so I could promote the packages to extras-testing, etc. See more details of IPython in the IPython for Maemo 4 & 5 & 6 topic.

I have release today a new version of IPython (with separated documentation in 'ipython-doc') for Maemo 4 & 5. I also released some months ago IPython 0.10.2 for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan.

My signature shows that I am an active Maemo 4 & 5 & 6 developer, with Python softwares for mathematical & scientific use. I have current and future projects which depend on IPython (SymPy, etc).

Today I have contacted the current maintainer, Bruno Araujo. But in November I have contacted him without any answer about IPython updates, etc. So I am not sure I will be answered any time soon.

lma 2012-02-23 10:32
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Reading all those maintainer-related issues, I can't help wondering - whatever happened to Jeremiah's ITP project? It looked like (back then we had reporting and transparency) it was nearly complete over two years ago, but now even the prototype is gone. Could it be finished up and deployed?

SD69 2012-02-23 12:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1168417)
Could you help me ? I would like to be the maintainer of IPython :
http://maemo.org/packages/view/ipython/
for Maemo 4 and 5, so I could promote the packages to extras-testing, etc. See more details of IPython in the IPython for Maemo 4 & 5 & 6 topic.

I have release today a new version of IPython (with separated documentation in 'ipython-doc') for Maemo 4 & 5. I also released some months ago IPython 0.10.2 for MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan.

My signature shows that I am an active Maemo 4 & 5 & 6 developer, with Python softwares for mathematical & scientific use. I have current and future projects which depend on IPython (SymPy, etc).

Today I have contacted the current maintainer, Bruno Araujo. But in November I have contacted him without any answer about IPython updates, etc. So I am not sure I will be answered any time soon.
I think we can help. We are in the process of updating package promotion procedures and orphaned packages can be part of that. It seems like you have been quite patient already, but it might take a little while more. thanks for explaining your situation

SD69 2012-02-23 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lma (Post 1168672)
Reading all those maintainer-related issues, I can't help wondering - whatever happened to Jeremiah's ITP project? It looked like (back then we had reporting and transparency) it was nearly complete over two years ago, but now even the prototype is gone. Could it be finished up and deployed?
Jeremiah is not active anymore. My sense is that we don't have the resources, and perhaps as strong a need, for that project anymore.

rcolistete 2012-03-10 13:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1168724)
I think we can help. We are in the process of updating package promotion procedures and orphaned packages can be part of that. It seems like you have been quite patient already, but it might take a little while more. thanks for explaining your situation
Thanks, now I am an additional maintainer of IPython.

pali 2012-03-15 09:12
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@SD69:

Now I uploaded new version of kernel-power (v50) to extras autobuilder for compiling. Autobuilder compiled it without problems, see https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fre....28-10power50/

But packages was not uploaded to extras-devel repository and are not visible in package interface, see:
http://repository.maemo.org/extras-d.../kernel-power/

Old problem was that packages was in repository but interface does not see it (I couldnt promove it).

Now problem is that packages are NOT in repository, so users cannot update it...

This is not normal situation!!! Can you help me?

jedi 2012-03-16 11:15
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Please can someone 'in power' clarify if maemo.org allows linking to warez/piracy sites? In the Terms of Use/Legal pages it's quite clear that it's not allowed, yet we have posts like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1179244 which I have reported due to it being a blantant link to warez, but nothing has been done.

This is not an isolated incident.

SD69 2012-03-16 11:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pali (Post 1179746)

This is not normal situation!!! Can you help me?
Is Niels still ignoring you? Don't take it personally. He's ignoring the testing squad and package promotion effort too. Is there even something like "I'm busy now, I'll get to it next week"?

I give you credit for the effort you keep making. Personally, I think it may be time we all move to Plan B...

misterc 2012-03-19 02:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1180202)
[...] Personally, I think it may be time we all move to Plan B...
anything specific about "Plan B" yet?

misterc 2012-03-19 03:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1160568)
Does the council know when the final date will be when Nokia pulls the plug on TMO?
financial support (from NOKIA) stopping on 31-dec-2012...

EDIT: the currant contract for financing the web site is ending on 31-dec-2012; it is (as far as i'm aware of) not stated yet whether it will not be renewed after that...

Lumiaman 2012-03-19 16:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1181277)
financial support (from NOKIA) stopping on 31-dec-2012...

EDIT: the currant contract for financing the web site is ending on 31-dec-2012; it is (as far as i'm aware of) not stated yet whether it will not be renewed after that...
Soooo....there is still a possibility that they may support it? How long are these contracts?

sulu 2012-03-19 17:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1181277)
financial support (from NOKIA) stopping on 31-dec-2012...

EDIT: the currant contract for financing the web site is ending on 31-dec-2012; it is (as far as i'm aware of) not stated yet whether it will not be renewed after that...
That rises two questions:

1. How much does this website currently cost?

2. Assuming Nokia will not continue to support TMO, can the community just take over the existing infrastructure (forums, repos etc. ; maybe under a different name) without having to copy all the contents to another site (which would be very difficult anyway if done legally correct)?
I'd like to see a definitive answer (in written form signed by an official) by the end of summer. For now I'd settle for: "Let's see what I can do."

panjgoori 2012-03-19 17:15
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if nokia pull the plug what will this community do ? and probably what we can do ?

don_falcone 2012-03-19 17:27
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IIRC all of those question were already discussed and options given.

panjgoori 2012-03-19 17:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1181570)
IIRC all of those question were already discussed and options given.
can you provide me a link for IIRC ? i want to see what options we have.

timoph 2012-03-19 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by panjgoori (Post 1181581)
can you provide me a link for IIRC ? i want to see what options we have.
IIRC is an acronym for "If I Remember Correctly". Anyway just go backwards some pages in this thread and you'll find the discussion on the topic.

misterc 2012-03-20 01:19
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(in hardly more space it takes to tell ppl to go & RTFM (right?) one might as well share the info already gathered, no?)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sulu (Post 1181555)
That rises two questions:

1. How much does this website currently cost?
this site is made up of two parts;
  • Talk Maemo Org (TMO) which is hosted by an independent person who receives money from NOKIA for the hosting
  • the other menus above (Downloads, Community, Dev & News (?) which are hosted by a company with a direct contract with NOKIA

i can't remember seeing a number being formulated for TMO and the rest obviously is out of our knowledge (business contract between NOKIA & some hosting site)

Quote:
Originally Posted by sulu (Post 1181555)
2. Assuming Nokia will not continue to support TMO, can the community just take over the existing infrastructure (forums, repos etc. ; maybe under a different name) without having to copy all the contents to another site (which would be very difficult anyway if done legally correct)?
I'd like to see a definitive answer (in written form signed by an official) by the end of summer. For now I'd settle for: "Let's see what I can do."
the principal problem here (IIRC) is that NOKIA does not repeat not want to give up the Maemo.org domain name.
considering the MeeGo / Harmattan denomination of the N9's OS, no surprise there.
there is a sister site of TMO (Internet Tablet Talk - Forums) that simply redirects to TMO.
the same person who is hosting TMO also hosts Internet Tablet Talk and could thus take over the rest of the Maemo.org site if NOKIA was to shut it down (by stopping the founding), but, obviously, the cost for the additional parts would still have to be paid for (+ TMO as NOKIA would probably also stop paying the bills for TMO)

again, NOKIA wants to keep Maemo.org, most likely to support N9 customers, so it wouldn't cost them much more to go on supporting the N9's predecessors (770, N8x0 and N900) as well...
(that's just my two cents...)
despite the common critic that NOKIA is not supporting the OS200x line of products anymore, the simple fact to pay the bills for (T)MO & thus providing an infrastructure for the community is also providing support for the devices

Future of Maemo 5 Fremantle is sort of a doomsday thread where various solutions were discussed in case NOKIA pulls the plug on 31st of Dec...
Pali provides a script to download all the Maemo packages;
personally i recently discovered w3mir that seems to do the same job for extras, extras-testing & extras-dev and allows to filter the packages (by name, extensions or even directory)
still need Pali's script for the NOKIA repositories, though.

SD69 2012-03-20 02:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1181732)

Future of Maemo 5 Fremantle is sort of a doomsday thread where various solutions were discussed in case NOKIA pulls the plug on 31st of Dec...
Pali provides a script to download all the Maemo packages;
personally i recently discovered w3mir that seems to do the same job for extras, extras-testing & extras-dev and allows to filter the packages (by name, extensions or even directory)
still need Pali's script for the NOKIA repositories, though.
thanks. I'd like to hear more about this w3mir thing.

timoph 2012-03-20 07:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1181732)
(in hardly more space it takes to tell ppl to go & RTFM (right?) one might as well share the info already gathered, no?)



this site is made up of two parts;
  • Talk Maemo Org (TMO) which is hosted by an independent person who receives money from NOKIA for the hosting
  • the other menus above (Downloads, Community, Dev & News (?) which are hosted by a company with a direct contract with NOKIA
plus the repositories, autobuilder, wiki, garage, etc.

timoph 2012-03-20 07:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1181741)
thanks. I'd like to hear more about this w3mir thing.
You only need a shell one liner command to download all of the repository content. And no I'm not providing the command here because I know several people will try it (without a good reason to do so) and basically cause a DDOS against the repositories.

don_falcone 2012-03-20 08:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1181732)
(in hardly more space it takes to tell ppl to go & RTFM (right?) one might as well share the info already gathered, no?)
Oh yes, i'm so sorry that after having to often rely same information over & over in my day2day job, i went sloppy _here_ and didn't also extracted all the relevant bits'n'pieces from this very thread. Don't taze me!


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