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You just want to give him a little assuring pat on the head while your shake your own, right? Perhaps a better nickname would have been 'Angry Man'? Oh right! It's already been done. I like it when he goes off on these elementary tantrums triggered by simply talking about Nokia's declines and epic failures. I can't help picturing a fuming, spoiled, fat little child that gets upset when people talk about Nokia. It's sad but cute and entertaining.

Symbian was doing pretty okay before Elop announced he wanted to kill it, as I recall. Say... isn't Symbian STILL outselling Windows Phone even now? I don't have the numbers here in front of me, but do you mind checking that for me? Don't forget to cite a source! :)

Anyone else, maybe?

As someone who lived and worked in Silicon Valley--I'm not sure where Silicon Valley products is relevant, nor where your claim for this amazing demand in China for Silicon Valley products is coming from. But I can blame WP for NOKIA losses. Here's how I see it: WP was already a losing product, Nokia was in a downward spiral from the top--and it only went downward FASTER after every time Elop opened his face-hole, especially after he announced moving to WP... which only made it worse FASTER. I would have to point out that Symbian and MeeGo would have likely carried Nokia farther even in status quo (which was pretty bad as it was) than this move to WP's infusion of cash and direction.

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Now that is a stab in the back. Didn't expect it

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Yeah that was my point. The guy I queted sugested WebOS which is also dead

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It is possible that Lumiaman is in reality, Elop himself?

Sorry, no offence if you're not, but the name Lumiaman does seem to fit Elop pretty well... :D

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Take my lumia 800 to hanging up with my friend, play music, and they want to transfer my file, i said sorry dude i cant do that, wtf!!! Then they ask me, ur phone doesnt has bt? LoL, i said it has but strangely wont let me to 'share', and they ask me about the price, then they laugh hard, even galaxy young can do that things my friend, then i says honestly i just wanna try wp and the result is ironic, :)

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one thing i have seen is, you need to watch comes out your mouth, so you don't shame yourself I'm saying this for everyone. there is a 50/50 chance for the LUMIA- windows phone family.

Do i want a windows phone? No not yet, i have a list of things that needs to be improved before i buy it.

Anyways....

Apple Stock down on iphone sales report.
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000085233

Android beats Apple in China mobile platform race: report
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8390AK20120410

the point is seeing Ios is going down, i still stand by my prediction Android is going to start declining soon. Just remember this comment when it starts happening. But hey, it's my prediction,could be true, could not, I like to believe it will be. The effect of over saturation.
(People will move to windows phone not because they like it, but because of over satiation)

Market saturation is the point a firm is is not generating anymore interest in a product.Android is almost at it's prime, I could be wrong, but so i think. Google has tried to avoid this but releasing a Nexus, one in a while. But there will be a point where people will see it's the same and thus go to windowsphone.

Don't get my wrong -- I am not saying windows phone is the best, i personally am not ready. I tried the lumia 800 but in the end the little things i cannot live with, But for the sake of seeing something different, and seeing how this competition will improve innovation, I want to see windows phone on the market.

I do believe Windows phone has a chance during this fall (Not the season -- when iOs and Android starts declining), but they need to be good, there so called Apollo needs to be really good. So I'm looking and watching... 50/50. Marketing needs to improve.

in the words of Panasonic Eluga - i wana know, what it feels like, I'm ready -- call me i'm ready to go.

50/50

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...Galaxy can...any Symbian phone can...any WebOS phone can...etc.

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my harmattan easily do that my friend, ;)

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I would assume so...mine arrives today within 2 hours :)

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Until it happens, your request to watch what comes out of my mouth will be backed by what the population has purchased thus far... and it's not Windows Phone 7 in mass numbers. Not in the US, not in Europe, not in Asia. Nothing said thus far is a stretch of any imagination.

All except your 50/50 chance. That's quite the stretch.

And yet I've used it, thrice over. HTC HD7S, Dell Venue Pro and now the Nokia Lumia 900.

Still rarely recommend it unless I know what type of user that person happens to be.

Wait... didn't you start with a declaration of that I should watch my mouth, assuming you meant some speculation portion that you didn't agree with only to do the very same thing just a paragraph or two later?

Attention and demand for iOS will invariably deflate at times, but as it stands, it's a solid top tier mobile OS in terms of percentage it's being currently developed on and people awaiting the next version of that mobile OS. Android's decline has been talked about, but so far what's rushing to take its place?

Windows Phone 8? Because it's not Windows Phone 7. Not in increasing numbers that correspond to a 5-10% market share increase.

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so am I correct that the cash(was it $1B or something like that) that Nokia got from the MS deal is pretty much all gone by now?

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Wait... didn't you start with a declaration of that I should watch my mouth, assuming you meant some speculation portion that you didn't agree with only to do the very same thing just a paragraph or two later?

> The windows phone argument seemed irrational. you made the argument it would fail down right and center, because people are not flocking to buy it yet.

the prediction i made was based on data provided externally, and by checking pattens and trends i concluded.

Actually the iOS point was not my own, i posted a Link, and read it several places,
1. Android Beats iOS in china.
2. Fall in share prices because of falling iphone sales.

> Notice, i said 50/50 chances for windows phone. I do believe they "CAN" do it. when android starts to decline

> Android decline? (Market satiation- No innovation)

> The android decline point. Yes, i "Believe" so. Give it time. But the argument can go both ways.

Why did i say android will decline and windows may grow? the same reason people who had an iphone let it to try android.

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You're making a few logical leaps there. The first one is that because iOS may or may not be declining(I am saying this because that could change after the Phone 5 comes out) then the same will happen to android.

The second one is that even if we assume that android will decline we don't know if WP will gain anything out of it. We're talking about an OS that has repeatedly failed to gain any traction. The latest proof of this is when Nokias CEO was working on his company best interest and took out symbian WP didn't gain ANYTHING out of it not only that but it actually lost market share since then.

The third and the worse assumption you make IMO is that the rise of WP will help competition and innovation. Nothing that includes microsoft will ever help competition. They have failed repeatedly to interest people so now they are suing everyone with bogus patents, buying out symbian, there's a rumor they want to buy a piece of RIM so another buy out might soon happen, Microsoft need to stay far far away from the Mobile market and roll over and die they belong in the 90's and early 00's where they bullied OEMs, train 3rd party resellers to bad mouth competitor OS and shove windows down everyones throat every way they could.

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IOS point was from data different sources, Il try finding them.


At current, Iphone 4s in developed countries such as the US are declining, this is due to people looking for "4G" phones

iPhone sales to continue declining until ‘iPhone 5′ launch, Canaccord says

(Source)http://news.yahoo.com/iphone-sales-c...140012258.html

Apple shares fall

If what is said is true, that the iphone 5 is coming this September/Oct according to Foxconn. exc

(Source)-http://www.bgr.com/2012/04/09/apples-next-iphone-to-launch-in-october-according-to-foxconn-exec/

there are still 6 months before the Iphone 5 comes out. and this if windows phone improves, they have a chance, but they must be good.

The innovation i talked about is not Windows Innovation, but everyone innovating as a result of increased competition. At current they all do the same thing. I don't know if it's me but, it's only apple doing the innovating, then others follow, samsung bringing back the stylus is hardly innovation.

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Last rumor I read was iPhone 5 with LTE in June...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402524,00.asp

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Well someone in apple must be messing with us...

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...another thing to remember about iOS: Apple's 25-30% market share is based on one company with one main product. Their margins blow the doors off of the larger market share owned by Android and nobody is in a position to create those kind of margins. So you have a hugely cash-flush company with a history of phenomenal execution. They may stumble, but I doubt it will be in the next 18-24 months.

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Oddly, Little Olde symbian is still going strong, Poor thing. but then again, symbian is not limited to only smartphones.

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Well, there are falling stocks

Apple down 3% the last week (but up 44 % YTD)

and there are falling stocks

Nokia down about 7 % the last week and down 22% YTD

If things get worse and MS offers to buy Nokia as some have suggested than possibly Nokia stock will go up (but MS will probably go down).
If Nokia starts to turn it around and windows is selling than Nokia stock will go up.

So is now the time to buy?

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If MS makes for a buy-out of Nokia after Elop got in their and killed the company I would hope for a thorough investigation. It would smell very rotten.

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TBH the whole board is responsible, one person cannot kill a company, they voted in favor, he did not do it on his own, so the whole board has a problem. I was actually talking to someone about that. Even though there is an investigation, Ms would still not be blamed because they did not make the decision.

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Nokia stocks are still going down today. down by 3.74 -0.08‎ (-1.96%‎). I think Elop will now be forced to create a Plan B and he have to make it happen or Elop will get fired.

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Don't worry. Elop et al. have a Plan B. Grab golden parachute and land somewhere near Redmond Washington...

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If you're referring to the 1 billion $ bribe, well, that was burned within just one (!) quarter. WP has been nothing but a big loss for Nokia till now. But since it's the last remaining option on the table, Nokia has to eat it, or die trying.

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Wait! This was one-time only payback??? Had the understanding that as long as Nokia endorses WP those will trickle down... Would keep them lossless at least for some time

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*If* Nokia makes WP improvements *that MS accepts* then Nokia can get some royalties.

Great deal, eh?

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Plan A is not about phones, it's about ecosystems. (and yes, some people here don't like the word ecosystem). Plan A is to cooperate with MS creating a third ecosystem. Obviously there is no plan B, Nokia cannot create [a competitive] ecosystem for high end smartphones on their own, they tried and failed (Symbian, Maemo).

Nokia needs to lower the prices for Lumias. If they don't, WP will be gone forever, but Nokia will not be gone. As it looks right now (extremely regrettably I must admit) is that in one year we will see the first Nokia PureView running Android.

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Give nitdroid guys a week after pureview is released... you'll see pureview running android faster than you think

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so no downside there then!

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Not actually. It is supposed to be paid by Microsoft over 4 quarters at US$250 million per quarter. The first bribe was paid in Q4 2011. The second should have just been paid. I take it that Nokia's mega losses are despite these payouts.

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That more or less was my understanding too, just not sure if it is 250m$ set in stone or depending on other factors (numbers sold, market share, devices introduced...)

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the one billion was to get them to use windows phone as their primary Os. But according to the deal. MS said (paraphrasing) nokia is allowed to make changes to wp at a core level. To understand why nokia choses wp you need to understand it from a investment perspective. Android is a lose in investment for nokia not because of customer size, but their brand. I tried explaining before it is hard, no one understood. For example. Ok nokia invest heavily in RND. So when ms told them they can do changes and improve wp, where they are market leaders a real world translation is-- you put your code in our Os and every phone with windows phone Os we sell you get royalties. So their Intellectual property is working, say htc uses wp, they have to pay ms and ms pays nokia for it's platform being built upon nokia's code. But on android, nokia will be the one paying royalties to google. The problem here is greed, nokia did not want it's investment go to waste. But seeing I cannot change what happened, I'm watching to see how ms-nokia does. I do think the way the situation was handled was wrong, I do think nokia handled it the wrong way. If they knew they were going to kill symbian they should not have said it in them way they did. Sony is an example of a company who made them transition very well. From sony ericsson xperia range, to SONY xperia. I am disappointed at the Nokia situation. But at the end of it all, all I can do is watch and see hating won't make a difference. And nokia is just a company like google, htc, samsung, all they care about is my money, so I'm look what works for my best interest. I don't understand though, why as end users do profit margins matter? Unless you guys have stocks? Ohh well.

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Dont think pureviews camera will work very well on android. I saw them doing trading your old smart phone for a lumia 800 at phones4u. Well the advert. I think the lumia are a bit expensive as well. i went to cpw and saw a lumia pay as you go for £399 plus ms is not subsidising the lumia/wp7 Os. Agreed with the point of the ecosystem. As not to offend anyone, you should say "services", don't like it's implementation, they are forcing it upon users, bad...

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I'm not sure I understand where that stat comes from. Is that counting web site hits? Sales? Activations? I'm not sure what they graph is showing us.

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While also not sure what data it is based on one thing is certain from this graph: Symbian grows

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Yeah.. that's what seems confusing. It doesn't seem to agree with most statistics I've seen. I'm wondering in what category Symbian is managing to hold such a high percentage. Web site hits? Certainly not activations.

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Hope not based on webhits for symbian-life.com, it would still be a little encouraging though

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:D To be honest, I would actually prefer a PureView device running Android. The OS itself is not that important for a pure camera phone like that, but with Android tons of developers would make cool apps utilizing the camera to it's full potential.

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You forget symbian is not limited to smartphone, plus, the stats are global.

their declaration. :Data Sample Credit/Licensing Stats are based on aggregate data
collected by StatCounter on a sample
exceeding 15 billion pageviews per
month collected from across the
StatCounter network of more than 3
million websites. Stats are updated and made available every 4 hours, however
are subject to quality assurance testing
and revision for 14 days from
publication. Please don't ask mee to go looking for other sources to cross analyse, I'm on mobile. Maybe later.

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Ok I have a few questions. First of all does anyone know about a change nokia made to the WP code???? Second of all if nokia can actually make changes and then Microsoft offers WP to other manifacturers isn't Nokia doing R&D for free for companies like htc and samsung? Third of all where it was ever said that MS is to split royalty income with Nokia? Since when is google asking royalties for android????